Tennessee opens as 7.5 pt favorite over Utah St

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checkerboards09 said:
Ever seen Boise States schedule? Not that hard to get up for 2 games a year at the most. So why don't you not do this.
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You guys are hilarious picking games by using rivals ratings. Johnny football 3 star mean anything to you? Even great classes have a 50 percent attrition rate. Just don't do it. The ratings mean nothing after they get on campus and you have a chance to see who was under rated and who was over rated. Just don't do it. Utah state has a d lineman that is a projected 1st rounder and a qb that will be drafted.:lolabove:
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
You guys are hilarious picking games by using rivals ratings. Johnny football 3 star mean anything to you? Even great classes have a 50 percent attrition rate. Just don't do it. The ratings mean nothing after they get on campus and you have a chance to see who was under rated and who was over rated. Just don't do it. Utah state has a d lineman that is a projected 1st rounder and a qb that will be drafted.:lolabove:
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Everyone loves to use this example, but all you're doing is pointing out the exception to the rule.

For every 3-star Johnny Football there are 10 5-star Tim Tebow/Cam Newton/Jameis Winston's out there. Also note the 5-stars listed here all have something in common that the 3-star doesn't share, can you guess what it is?

Stars and recruiting rankings absolutely matter.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Understand that the definition of talent is a fickle sport, more important is the coaching and development aspects of this game, think teams like Mich State that never "recruit well" based on the ratings, but they kick ass on the field
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Michigan State does better than you think.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Everyone loves to use this example, but all you're doing is pointing out the exception to the rule.

For every 3-star Johnny Football there are 10 5-star Tim Tebow/Cam Newton/Jameis Winston's out there. Also note the 5-stars listed here all have something in common that the 3-star doesn't share, can you guess what it is?

Stars and recruiting rankings absolutely matter.
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Not with picking games. That's nonsense. Until there is a system that explains Stanford and Michigan state other than the catchall of coaching and development, I'll choose to believe ratings for the most part are bunk. If tge ratings were gospel, where was Bama's dominant defense last year? Where were the dominant pass rushers? Why did they give up 30 plus three times? Why does Bama average a 45 percent attrition rate? There are literally thousands of high school kids playing ball. There is no way the rating systems are accurate. Too much diversity between levels of play all across the nation. Good grief, even the nfl scouts get it wrong with only a fraction of players to evaluate with unlimited access. You guys read far too much into stars. I want to beat Bama and Florida for players because it means our recruits have been vetted by staffs that should know what they're doing but to look at two schools and rivals ratings to determine the outcome? Lol
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
You guys are hilarious picking games by using rivals ratings. Johnny football 3 star mean anything to you? Even great classes have a 50 percent attrition rate. Just don't do it. The ratings mean nothing after they get on campus and you have a chance to see who was under rated and who was over rated. Just don't do it. Utah state has a d lineman that is a projected 1st rounder and a qb that will be drafted.:lolabove:
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Yep, that's why Bama and FSU suck so much. Their recruiting rankings aren't indicative of their talent level.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Not with picking games. That's nonsense. Until there is a system that explains Stanford and Michigan state other than the catchall of coaching and development, I'll choose to believe ratings for the most part are bunk. If tge ratings were gospel, where was Bama's dominant defense last year? Where were the dominant pass rushers? Why did they give up 30 plus three times? Why does Bama average a 45 percent attrition rate? There are literally thousands of high school kids playing ball. There is no way the rating systems are accurate. Too much diversity between levels of play all across the nation. Good grief, even the nfl scouts get it wrong with only a fraction of players to evaluate with unlimited access. You guys read far too much into stars. I want to beat Bama and Florida for players because it means our recruits have been vetted by staffs that should know what they're doing but to look at two schools and rivals ratings to determine the outcome? Lol
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You do realize Stanford is so good because of their star studded OL class a couple years ago, right?

You keep pointing out the exception to the rule. Not a good argument.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Recruiting classes.
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Offers from certain schools drives the rating system. It perpetuates itself. If Fsu and Bama both offer someone you are inclined to believe he is better than a guy not offered, but was offered by miss st. Maybe it was because he was two inches too short. Far far far far too many kids for these charletons to evaluate. They take the easy way out, look at offer sheets and call it evaluating. But keep believing in the Easter bunny.
 
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LotteryPick said:
You do realize Stanford is so good because of their star studded OL class a couple years ago, right?

You keep pointing out the exception to the rule. Not a good argument.
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It helps that Stanford has replaced a great coach with another great coach.
 
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Another thing is there is a big difference in a 16 yr old and 19 yr old senior. Who knows when these kids are being rated as sophomores, who is going to grow? My son was 5 9 as a 17 year old senior and grew to 6 2 after high school! Sucks but that would have made a huge difference for his high school career. He was a very good wr but would have been a beast with five additional inches added to his height.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Offers from certain schools drives the rating system. It perpetuates itself. If Fsu and Bama both offer someone you are inclined to believe he is better than a guy not offered, but was offered by miss st. Maybe it was because he was two inches too short. Far far far far too many kids for these charletons to evaluate. They take the easy way out, look at offer sheets and call it evaluating. But keep believing in the Easter bunny.
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Basically, you're saying you can't tell a difference between a highly rated player and a not-so-highly rated player.

That's absurd.
 
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I think we win by 2-3 touchdowns at the least. We have far more talent than them. We may not have decided on a QB yet, but we already know that Worley and Dobbs are at least serviceable and Ferguson is a wild card. We have extremely talented skill positions on offense to help out the OL. Our defense will be much improved with more talent at D Line and LB. Also, we will be better at S with Randolph and TK. CB will be improved as Coleman has been moved to nickel. Hopefully Moseley, Evan Berry, or Gaulden make a Sutton like impact.

This Keaton guy is very talented, but what are the chances that he returns to form in his first game back? Not likely.

We win 38 - 21 IMO.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Not what I said. Not much difference in the number 4 guard and the number 30 guard is what I said, basically.
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How many times does the #4 guard turn out to be better than the #30 guard? A lot more often than not, I can definitely say that. There's a reason for ratings. Saban wouldn't be on the run that he's been on if he was bringing in 20th+ ranked classes ever year. Look at FSU's classes, same for them.
 
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LotteryPick said:
So, there's no difference between a highly rated player and a non-highly rated player ...
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Not in terms of picking football games!!!!!!!!!!! What happened to texas's highly recruited classes ? What's going on at michigan ? I know that Bama has an attrition rate of 45 percent. They get the best of the best in their eyes. Consequently, because of their success on the field, the evaluators assume whoever they offer is an awesome stud. They get an extra star or two. The system perpetuates itself. Boise and Utah state evaluate under the radar type players that don't camp. They don't get offered by the Bama's of the world. They don't get those extra stars. Bama will fall off dramatically in the next few years because of an inordinate number of so called busts.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
You guys are hilarious picking games by using rivals ratings. Johnny football 3 star mean anything to you? Even great classes have a 50 percent attrition rate. Just don't do it. The ratings mean nothing after they get on campus and you have a chance to see who was under rated and who was over rated. Just don't do it. Utah state has a d lineman that is a projected 1st rounder and a qb that will be drafted.:lolabove:
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And a top 3 ILB who projects as an early rd draft pick. Just sayin for the sake of accuracy.
 
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VolinArizona said:
Remember that whole thread about Utah State opening as favorite? Remember when some of us said that wasn't true?

5Dimes put out their early lines today (one of the best offshore sites), and Tennessee is a 7.5 point favorite.

Do you think we cover?[/QUOTE]

And then some.
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