Tennessee Softball 2023

[DeerPark12]

Which the same girls are playing on the same teams and at the same tournaments at the youth level so that doesn’t explain why Tennessee are having so many injuries every year. You can’t tell me Tennessee is the only school recruiting injured players. There’s got to be a reason why they are getting hurt over other schools. They are doing something different than other schools which are causing the injuries. There’s no reason the training staff shouldn’t had Lair in softball shape when the season started last year. That right there is enough to question things. Guess we’ll see where Pannell, Keene and Puni are when the season starts.

If you'll remember before ranting, Lair's offseason surgery was on her shoulder. The injury that kept her out at the beginning of the season was lower leg, suffered during preseason practice in January. They aren't related.

Sometimes, you just have bad luck. Of the players injured this year, Lair has had multiple injuries dating back to high school. Pannell's was a freak deal on a hard swing, similar to Madison Shipman in 2011 (different hitting coach, trainer and strength coach). Mosely came in injured, knew from the fall that she was looking at an offseason surgery and elected to have it in-season when it because clear she wasn't going to play more than as a pinch runner. As mentioned above, Keane has had issues since she was 15. Zaida's had issues since Oklahoma, has been on a "pitch count" for throwing since she arrived here. Ashley is, as has been covered here many times, predisposed to stress fractures/stress reactions. Her brother has had similar issues.

In 2022, Underwood came in injured and took a foul ball off of her reconstructed shoulder a couple of weeks after being cleared. Thompson came in with shoulder issues that kept her from ever playing. Bender missed parts of two seasons at Iona with injuries before coming here. Ayala sprained an ankle on a bad spot in the outfield at Florida.

In 2021, Thompson came in with shoulder issues that kept her from ever playing. Curran tore an ACL on an awkward stop on a baserunning error.

In 2020, Ashley was the only significant injury, as described above.

In 2019, Shipman tore her ACL and broke her wrist on a collision. Seggern missed some time with a minor knee injury.

In 2018, Matty Moss had a chronic throat issue related to electing to not have her tonsils out during the summer of 2017. Brooke Vines had shoulder issues that predated Tennessee and the UT doctors (and her own doctors in California) couldn't find anything structurally wrong that would cause the discomfort she described. Huffstetler tore her ACL changing direction running the bases.

When you break it down year-by-year, I don't see that list as some sort of diagnosable chronic problem. They had more injuries this past year than normal. But it doesn't appear tracible to some common thread.

 

[chuckiepoo]

If you'll remember before ranting, Lair's offseason surgery was on her shoulder. The injury that kept her out at the beginning of the season was lower leg, suffered during preseason practice in January. They aren't related.

Sometimes, you just have bad luck. Of the players injured this year, Lair has had multiple injuries dating back to high school. Pannell's was a freak deal on a hard swing, similar to Madison Shipman in 2011 (different hitting coach, trainer and strength coach). Mosely came in injured, knew from the fall that she was looking at an offseason surgery and elected to have it in-season when it because clear she wasn't going to play more than as a pinch runner. As mentioned above, Keane has had issues since she was 15. Zaida's had issues since Oklahoma, has been on a "pitch count" for throwing since she arrived here. Ashley is, as has been covered here many times, predisposed to stress fractures/stress reactions. Her brother has had similar issues.

In 2022, Underwood came in injured and took a foul ball off of her reconstructed shoulder a couple of weeks after being cleared. Thompson came in with shoulder issues that kept her from ever playing. Bender missed parts of two seasons at Iona with injuries before coming here. Ayala sprained an ankle on a bad spot in the outfield at Florida.

In 2021, Thompson came in with shoulder issues that kept her from ever playing. Curran tore an ACL on an awkward stop on a baserunning error.

In 2020, Ashley was the only significant injury, as described above.

In 2019, Shipman tore her ACL and broke her wrist on a collision. Seggern missed some time with a minor knee injury.

In 2018, Matty Moss had a chronic throat issue related to electing to not have her tonsils out during the summer of 2017. Brooke Vines had shoulder issues that predated Tennessee and the UT doctors (and her own doctors in California) couldn't find anything structurally wrong that would cause the discomfort she described. Huffstetler tore her ACL changing direction running the bases.

When you break it down year-by-year, I don't see that list as some sort of diagnosable chronic problem. They had more injuries this past year than normal. But it doesn't appear tracible to some common thread.

So we can’t lynch the training staff?

 

[RebKell]

So we can’t lynch the training staff?

Bummer!! I was all set to go!

 

[knoxvol52]

I truly believe Pickens will get her control in line and be pitcher 1b in rotation rite up there with Peyton!!!

 

[briancrice]

I have heard from numerous sources that they are not given the proper amount of time to warm up before practice because of the time constraints on practices nowadays. If you’re not using bands to stretch and slowly working your way into long toss you will see increased injuries like the lady vols have had!

This is absolutely, 100% false. I’ve attended dozens of practices over the years, including this year. They have a 20+ minute stretch and throw before practice. Every. Single. Time.

 

[briancrice]

If this was a Major League Baseball team the whole strength and conditioning with the training staff would be all fired. Toooo many every year needing surgery compared to any other college teams. Got to be related to the strength and conditioning with the training program the softball team are doing. That needs to be revisited asap. Makes no sense we are have more shoulder surgeries than baseball teams.

I’d love to see your full study of injury numbers across college softball that you’re using for the basis of your argument that injuries disproportionately affect Tennessee. Particularly without having access to the medical histories of the individual student-athletes at this school and others.

 

[Majors]

This is absolutely, 100% false. I’ve attended dozens of practices over the years, including this year. They have a 20+ minute stretch and throw before practice. Every. Single. Time.

And also a mobility cool down after games.

 

[SEC FAN 1111]

This is absolutely, 100% false. I’ve attended dozens of practices over the years, including this year. They have a 20+ minute stretch and throw before practice. Every. Single. Time.

so the players that told me this are lying?

 

[briancrice]

so the players that told me this are lying?

You’re making it up. I’ve looked back through your posts, and every time you claim to talk to a player/parent, it’s something completely nonsensical that none of them would say because it’s not reality.

I think you’re a serial, habitual liar behind an anonymous message board name that posts whatever nonsense fits your anti-Tennessee, anti-Karen narrative. And if you’re going to post the lies, I’m going to call them out.

 

[volfan__18]

You’re making it up. I’ve looked back through your posts, and every time you claim to talk to a player/parent, it’s something completely nonsensical that none of them would say because it’s not reality.

I think you’re a serial, habitual liar behind an anonymous message board name that posts whatever nonsense fits your anti-Tennessee, anti-Karen narrative. And if you’re going to post the lies, I’m going to call them out.

like and retweet!

 

[lvfan]

You’re making it up. I’ve looked back through your posts, and every time you claim to talk to a player/parent, it’s something completely nonsensical that none of them would say because it’s not reality.

I think you’re a serial, habitual liar behind an anonymous message board name that posts whatever nonsense fits your anti-Tennessee, anti-Karen narrative. And if you’re going to post the lies, I’m going to call them out.

Actually I heard that LVs don’t have a good warm up routine. You are kind of mean and defensive, Brian. Please look through my posts too. I attend games, listen and talk to both players and parents like many other fans and I’ve heard bad and good things about players, parents and coaches (bad about Karen). So to attack someone on this board like you did is so wrong. I agree and disagree with everyone on this board including this poster but to attack someone they way you did. I expect more from you. Please represent UT in a better light.

 

[jp1]

so the players that told me this are lying?

Did you just tell on yourself? He was responding to a different poster with his comment, or did you just decide to chime in?. I have noticed a similarity in several posters posting history over the years.

 

[volman128]

Did you just tell on yourself? He was responding to a different poster with his comment, or did you just decide to chime in?. I have noticed a similarity in several posters posting history over the years.

Brian was definitely responding to that poster's post.

 

[jp1]

Brian was definitely responding to that poster's post.

Do you see what I'm saying though?

 

[Volfan2012]

If you'll remember before ranting, Lair's offseason surgery was on her shoulder. The injury that kept her out at the beginning of the season was lower leg, suffered during preseason practice in January. They aren't related.

Sometimes, you just have bad luck. Of the players injured this year, Lair has had multiple injuries dating back to high school. Pannell's was a freak deal on a hard swing, similar to Madison Shipman in 2011 (different hitting coach, trainer and strength coach). Mosely came in injured, knew from the fall that she was looking at an offseason surgery and elected to have it in-season when it because clear she wasn't going to play more than as a pinch runner. As mentioned above, Keane has had issues since she was 15. Zaida's had issues since Oklahoma, has been on a "pitch count" for throwing since she arrived here. Ashley is, as has been covered here many times, predisposed to stress fractures/stress reactions. Her brother has had similar issues.

In 2022, Underwood came in injured and took a foul ball off of her reconstructed shoulder a couple of weeks after being cleared. Thompson came in with shoulder issues that kept her from ever playing. Bender missed parts of two seasons at Iona with injuries before coming here. Ayala sprained an ankle on a bad spot in the outfield at Florida.

In 2021, Thompson came in with shoulder issues that kept her from ever playing. Curran tore an ACL on an awkward stop on a baserunning error.

In 2020, Ashley was the only significant injury, as described above.

In 2019, Shipman tore her ACL and broke her wrist on a collision. Seggern missed some time with a minor knee injury.

In 2018, Matty Moss had a chronic throat issue related to electing to not have her tonsils out during the summer of 2017. Brooke Vines had shoulder issues that predated Tennessee and the UT doctors (and her own doctors in California) couldn't find anything structurally wrong that would cause the discomfort she described. Huffstetler tore her ACL changing direction running the bases.

When you break it down year-by-year, I don't see that list as some sort of diagnosable chronic problem. They had more injuries this past year than normal. But it doesn't appear tracible to some common thread.

No more injuries than anybody else. You look at any team they would have a comparable list. Injuries happen to teams not just Tennessee.

 

[briancrice]

Actually I heard that they don’t have a good warm up routine. You are kind of mean and defensive, Brian. Please look through my posts too. I attend games, listen and talk to both players and parents like many other fans and I’ve heard bad and good things about players, parents and coaches (bad about Karen). So to attack someone on this board like you did is so wrong. I agree and disagree with everyone on this board including this poster but to attack someone they way you did. I expect more from you. Please represent UT in a better light.

I stand by what I said. If it offends you, I’m sorry, but I stand by what I said.

When you watch one poster come on here and consistently run down the coaches andprogram, no matter what the situation, and completely makes things up as the basis for most of that running down, eventually it has to be addressed. And I did that.

Tennessee does not have a short warm-up, as he said and claims that players told him. I watched it with my own eyes literally dozens of times. Furthermore, none of the injuries that have been suffered by Tennessee players over the last few years could even be attributed to a shortened or inadequate warm-up. So the entire basis of the argument is without merit.

People are entitled to their opinions on things that are objective. Player performance, lineups, who looks good and doesn’t, all of those things. But to attack a program and a coach over something that verifiably isn’t true is not something I’m willing to stand for.

 

[lvfan]

I stand by what I said. If it offends you, I’m sorry, but I stand by what I said.

When you watch one poster come on here and consistently run down the coaches andprogram, no matter what the situation, and completely makes things up as the basis for most of that running down, eventually it has to be addressed. And I did that.

Tennessee does not have a short warm-up, as he said and claims that players told him. I watched it with my own eyes literally dozens of times. Furthermore, none of the injuries that have been suffered by Tennessee players over the last few years could even be attributed to a shortened or inadequate warm-up. So the entire basis of the argument is without merit.

People are entitled to their opinions on things that are objective. Player performance, lineups, who looks good and doesn’t, all of those things. But to attack a program and a coach over something that verifiably isn’t true is not something I’m willing to stand for.

standing up and attacking someone for their opinion are two different things. This is an open and anonymous forum. That’s how forums are set up. No one is hiding. How you approach people on here makes a difference. There is lots of content on here that simply not true but it’s someone’s opinion. You of course will defend bc you’re an employee.

I’m a season ticket holder and i played sports. I listen and observe so I know what players, parents, staff say about each other and how they complain about staff (specifically Karen). I watch “warm ups” so I have my opinion on how to prevent reoccurring injuries and it always can be better especially concentrating on the shoulders and knees. I have also observed you, Brian both at the games, on air and in this forum. You need to represent UT and yourself in a better way. It’s unbecoming of a Vol. That’s my opinion as a VFL.

 

[OrangePark]

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[VolGee4]

standing up and attacking someone for their opinion are two different things. This is an open and anonymous forum. That’s how forums are set up. No one is hiding. How you approach people on here makes a difference. There is lots of content on here that simply not true but it’s someone’s opinion. You of course will defend bc you’re an employee.

I’m a season ticket holder and i played sports. I listen and observe so I know what players, parents, staff say about each other and how they complain about staff (specifically Karen). I watch “warm ups” so I have my opinion on how to prevent reoccurring injuries and it always can be better especially concentrating on the shoulders and knees. I have also observed you, Brian both at the games, on air and in this forum. You need to represent UT and yourself in a better way. It’s unbecoming of a Vol. That’s my opinion as a VFL.

Truth and opinion are two different things. “There is lots of content on here that is simply not true but it’s someone’s opinion.” That doesn’t make sense. Opinions have consequences. Something is either not true or presented as an opinion (and not meant to be presented as true) and can therefore be challenged based on facts.

His post did not come off as an attack. Bad opinions or incorrect facts can and should absolutely be refuted.

 

[knoxvol52]

Someone got served in that debate !!!!!

 

[Majors]

You’re crazy with seeing a full study. Open your eyes during a game. We had 3 girls in Tennessee’s dugout at one time in shoulder splints during the end of the season and I seen zero other girls in the opposing dugouts recovering from any surgeries. You can defend the warm-ups or what they’re doing, but somethings isn’t adding up…. It’s uncommon that 1 player has a surgery on a team but we had 5 this season and 4 shoulders. And now here comes the peanut gallery on here saying everyone was hurt before they came to Tennessee. And that’s a lie and keep telling yourself that. If that is the case Karen should be fired because she’s the only coach in America recruiting injured players.

Let’s compare in our backyard. Baseball should have more injuries especially shoulders and I’ll throw Tommy John injuries into that also the last 2 years.
Softball 6 surgeries
Baseball 1 surgery

Please do me a study on why this is more lopsided than any other athletic program in the country. And explain we are doing everything right and just recruited injured players.

Just in my small world baseball of people we know heading to UT next season, a catcher from AL had labrum surgery missed SR football and pitcher from Knoxville is currently in a sling for Tommy John. Documented the Joyce brothers as well with both TJ surgery. As far as peanut gallery - from my daughters HS team - she had surgery, two went to college and are playing through it and opted out of surgery from her class alone. Two from college team missed last season and one played through. But please, proceed to regale us all with your personal experience of players coast to coast.

 

[OrangePark]

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[Majors]

Congrats, I’m guessing your daughter must play on the team because it’s about the 5th time reading about your daughter’s injury. Now the guessing game of which one. I’m glad you are able to tell us all about your high school wealth of knowledge. But comparing injuries between one college to another has zero to do with high school. But I’m guessing Zeigler’s ACL injury was because he was hurt in high school and Hooker’s was because he was hurt coming from Virginia Tech

She plays elsewhere to drive home the stance it’s not a UT thing. And when you talk to parents, players etc on the teams as early as travel it’s a common thing in regards to labrums.

 

[popvol]

You’re crazy with seeing a full study. Open your eyes during a game. We had 3 girls in Tennessee’s dugout at one time in shoulder splints during the end of the season and I seen zero other girls in the opposing dugouts recovering from any surgeries. You can defend the warm-ups or what they’re doing, but somethings isn’t adding up…. It’s uncommon that 1 player has a surgery on a team but we had 5 this season and 4 shoulders. And now here comes the peanut gallery on here saying everyone was hurt before they came to Tennessee. And that’s a lie and keep telling yourself that. If that is the case Karen should be fired because she’s the only coach in America recruiting injured players.

Let’s compare in our backyard. Baseball should have more injuries especially shoulders and I’ll throw Tommy John injuries into that also the last 2 years.
Softball 6 surgeries
Baseball 1 surgery

Please do me a study on why this is more lopsided than any other athletic program in the country. And explain we are doing everything right and just recruited injured players.

I hate to step into this subject because and I'm not pretending to know anything about how or when the injuries occurred. But your comment about opposing dugouts makes me ask, do teams normally take players recovering from surgeries on road trips. That would make no sense to me. Does Tennessee take these girls in shoulder splints on a road trip? Just asking, because I don't know.

 

[OrangePark]

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