Tennessee Vols Basketball Recruiting

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MoCo_Vol said:
Poor correlation, cause if you think Lofton while at UT will sniff 36 and 17 against anyone you're high as a kite.

In the Barnes era you know how many times any player (not even just a post guy) has scored 36 points? just 3 times, once by Punter and twice by Grant. Lofton was also the only guy on the court to score more than 10 points for his team and they still lost by 9. Barnes teams are far more balanced than that, he may be a good scorer and rebounder at LA Tech. But in the SEC I doubt he will get the same volume he sees there and be anywhere near as productive, the one game in his career where he goes off is an outlier not the norm.

He's played in 65 games and only scored 20 or more in 15 of them. Stepping up in competition on a more balanced team isn't going to suddenly make him more productive.
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Just curious, and I don't have any meaning behind asking this., but who would you rather have transfer in between Tyreke Key and Kenneth Lofton?(If you were the coach)
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Why are people so high on Kenny Lofton Jr.?

He's 6'7" and 275lbs, solid numbers at Louisiana Tech but they are in a weak conference that only had 1 NCAA team this past season.
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Yeah that conference is top heavy though. The best team didn't make the tournament(MTSU). Lofton is okay. I think he'd be decent and would give us a low post presence. Barnes would want him to drop weight I think.
 
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TrippieRedd said:
Just curious, and I don't have any meaning behind asking this., but who would you rather have transfer in between Tyreke Key and Kenneth Lofton?(If you were the coach)
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Key all day. We run more guards on the court per game than we do forwards, we return ON (our most productive big) and we have Uros & Aidoo both back.

Losing Bailey, KC, & Q (so far). Ya need another guard and Key offers a low risk high reward better than anyone else in the portal. He's got a career of experience, just one year to be on the team, spent an entire season + getting healthy.

Lofton offers some scoring and rebounding, but low numbers in defensive categories like blocks and steals.

A better question would be, can you find an example in the SEC of a short, heavy, non explosive big that has been successful? Cause EJ Anosike was a double double machine, came here and couldn't help us despite being in a far more desperate situation for a big than we are this season.

I think we should take a big this class though, but I don't think Lofton would be the guy I'd have at the top of my list. Not when taller and more athletic options are out there and entering the portal all the time.
 
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LeannaVol said:
I predict in the coming years there will be a Power 5 conference organization similar to the NCAA that establishes some rules regarding NIL payments. The problem now is there are no guidelines and there is a wild west for the talent. Even the NBA, NFL etc have guidelines in place for salary to provide some order for teams. There are rookie contracts, restricted free agents and maximum salary caps for teams to help even things out and provide some semblance of order otherwise teams like the Charlotte Hornets would never be able to compete with teams like the LA Lakers in terms of getting and keeping talented players. I understand the free market and capitalism but Big Time College athletics is not corporate America. With the G league and other options players can seek to maximize their money in a free market but if they want to attend college, I think some guidelines need to be established.
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I don’t know how guidelines will stand up to a court challenge. That’s how we got to this point.
 
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What about Tre Mitchell? He just went in a few days ago.

6'9" 240lbs, very productive at UMass and even with less MPG he had solid numbers at Texas. It appears he'd be eligible and could have 2 seasons left if he used his COVID one.
 
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germanicus said:
I don’t know how guidelines will stand up to a court challenge. That’s how we got to this point.
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I think you tie it in to signing a college scholarship. Is essentially a contract between two parties with rules in place. Like I said, if you don't want to follow the guidelines you can go the professional route.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Poor correlation, cause if you think Lofton while at UT will sniff 36 and 17 against anyone you're high as a kite.

In the Barnes era you know how many times any player (not even just a post guy) has scored 36 points? just 3 times, once by Punter and twice by Grant. Lofton was also the only guy on the court to score more than 10 points for his team and they still lost by 9. Barnes teams are far more balanced than that, he may be a good scorer and rebounder at LA Tech. But in the SEC I doubt he will get the same volume he sees there and be anywhere near as productive, the one game in his career where he goes off is an outlier not the norm.

He's played in 65 games and only scored 20 or more in 15 of them. Stepping up in competition on a more balanced team isn't going to suddenly make him more productive.
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I said he's better than Anosike, not that he's Grant. I know he's not dropping 36 for us, but to discredit that type of performance is asinine. Also the main point of this is we have 3 post players. Two of which will be seniors. Not like we can be super picky, and this dude could definitely contribute for us.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
I said he's better than Anosike, not that he's Grant. I know he's not dropping 36 for us, but to discredit that type of performance is asinine. Also the main point of this is we have 3 post players. Two of which will be seniors. Not like we can be super picky, and this dude could definitely contribute for us.
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No one is discrediting it, but again it's an outlier he did it once in 65 games and NC State was hot garbage last year with no size. Nothing close to what he'd face in the SEC.

No clue why NC State was so bad though, plenty of top 100 players on that squad...but that's a different topic.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
No one is discrediting it, but again it's an outlier he did it once in 65 games and NC State was hot garbage last year with no size. Nothing close to what he'd face in the SEC.

No clue why NC State was so bad though, plenty of top 100 players on that squad...but that's a different topic.
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Lofton destroyed UAB (tourney team) every time they played, he played well against LSU( tourney team), Bama(beat us), and obviously NCST, idk why you keep just using NCST when he played well against Bama and LSU, you know same conference as us.

The year before that he dropped a double double against LSU (17/12)
He also destroyed Ole Miss and Miss St in the NIT, you know two more SEC teams (20/10 against Miss St and 22/7 against Ole Miss, he also put up 27/13 against Colorado State.
 
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I will say Lofton has plenty of eligibility left his coach leaving for Tulsa seems the motivation for transferring. So he could be a contributor for us, I guess with how badly we've faired with heavier guys in the past I'd be worried.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
What about Tre Mitchell? He just went in a few days ago.

6'9" 240lbs, very productive at UMass and even with less MPG he had solid numbers at Texas. It appears he'd be eligible and could have 2 seasons left if he used his COVID one.
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Read something that said Mitchell and his former Mass Asst Coach are rumored to be a package deal. Doubt UT is interested.
 
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TrippieRedd said:
Lofton destroyed UAB (tourney team) every time they played, he played well against LSU, Bama, and obviously NCST, idk why you keep just using NCST when he played well against Bama and LSU, you know same conference as us.

The year before that he double doubled LSU (17/12)
He also destroyed Ole Miss and Miss St in the NIT, you know two more SEC teams (20/10 against Miss St and 22/7 against Ole Miss, he also put up 27/13 against Colorado State.
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Because that was the specific game Ttucke11 referenced. I try to stay on topic and not stray when responding to specific games or questions.

Based on Barnes ball and his time at UT specifically we've not had any 6'7" forwards that heavy succeed here. So that's the main reason I'd be weary of Lofton. He as a player could ball out, but if he doesn't get the minutes here because of his conditioning then we'd never know. And historically Barnes has shown he expects a certain level of commitment in that area to get on the court.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Because that was the specific game Ttucke11 referenced. I try to stay on topic and not stray when responding to specific games or questions.

Based on Barnes ball and his time at UT specifically we've not had any 6'7" forwards that heavy succeed here. So that's the main reason I'd be weary of Lofton. He as a player could ball out, but if he doesn't get the minutes here because of his conditioning then we'd never know. And historically Barnes has shown he expects a certain level of commitment in that area to get on the court.
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Wasn't Maymon only an inch taller and around the same weight
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
And never played a single minute for Barnes.
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I'm saying if Maymon in general could do it, then Lofton can. You're right we haven't had any guys that heavy succeed here because we haven't had any guys that heavy on the team since Barnes has been coach, and maybe that's the issue. 🤣
 
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TrippieRedd said:
I'm saying if Maymon in general could do it, then Lofton can. You're right we haven't had any guys that heavy succeed here because we haven't had any guys that heavy on the team since Barnes has been coach, and maybe that's the issue. 🤣
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Yep, that's my point. Lots of short forwards that are heavy have been productive, Stokes was a beast here.

But that's not the type of guy that Barnes seems to go after or give minutes to. Uros is the only guy to weigh 260 or more and see quality minutes here under Barnes. And he's obviously 7'
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yep, that's my point. Lots of short forwards that are heavy have been productive, Stokes was a beast here.

But that's not the type of guy that Barnes seems to go after or give minutes to. Uros is the only guy to weigh 260 or more and see quality minutes here under Barnes. And he's obviously 7'
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Stokes was also like 5% body fat
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Apologies, spent the day out on the lake, summary…

As recruiting goes things can change quickly, maybe it’s on me for saying it was a done deal, but it was as much a done deal as it could be. SLU AD started pushing the tampering allegations and threatening pursuing them and making it public, Barnes got cold feet and basically pulled the plug on Collins coming here. He was supposed to originally visit Monday and it got slowed down, then again they were gonna bring him in this weekend but that’s when the tampering smoke thickened. Again, apologies for calling this one a done deal, but I really thought that was safe to say.

The other aspect of everything going on is NIL, Rick is definitely not transitioning well to it and also isn’t just getting out of the way of assistants who are younger and allowing them to handle it. He hasn’t done a good job communicating with Spyre and they feel in the dark in regards to hoops quite often, Rick isn’t necessarily against NIL but it’s not actively pursued like just about every other current school.

There’s also some rumblings that Powell is back to considering heading for a pro deal, obviously if that happens we are back to 4 open spots. How Barnes and staff fill this roster now will be very interesting, and if you’re worried I get it, I will wait and see how it unfolds before declaring us as crappy or doomed etc. I also think calling for the guy to step aside at this point before having a “bad season” is premature, I agree that if recruiting doesn’t pick up he’s dealing himself a tough hand, but again I will see how it plays out.
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Wow people really freaked out over this and took it as 100% fact
 
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LeannaVol said:
I think you tie it in to signing a college scholarship. Is essentially a contract between two parties with rules in place. Like I said, if you don't want to follow the guidelines you can go the professional route.
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I my experience with contracts, attorneys for the top kids would spill red ink all over those provisions in the contract leaving it in the school’s hands to accept or not. They’d eventually find a school to accept the terms.
 
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Weezer said:
Best case scenario is Barnes decides to retire at the end of a season. Whether it be next season or 5 seasons from now, best to let him choose to walk away, then pray DW makes a good hire. Letting Rick go would poison the well much like we did when we let Fulmer go as coach.
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