Tennessee Vols Basketball Recruiting

[johnfnkelly]

As a UT fan I want to win as much as anyone. As a UT Alumni, if winning involves shady practices count me out. The allegation of tampering is a serious one. I have no idea what happened with Collins but as a man of integrity, I suspect Coach Barnes called St Louis University and spoke to the AD or head coach. I don't know that for sure... just a guess. I suspect he got and ear full. I used to live in St Louis. St Louis University is s big part of the community. If what he heard made him (Coach Barnes) uncomfortable...then he was correct to back away.

UT's reputation and its 300,000 graduates ( total system all time) deserve a coach that understands the word integrity is more than a word you banter around when you are trying to save your job. It's how you live your life. Thank God Coach Barnes is at the helm of our ship, when the NCAA and it's leadership have a abandoned the fleet completely. NIL era has been brought to us by state governors and legislatures. If I was looking for and honest man that is not where I would start.

Hopefully, and quickly the NCAA will find it's footing and allow conferences to put in place responsible policies with teeth. Otherwise, the games we all watch and enjoy will be destroyed.

Lol nearly every coach that's brought success to UT has been shady. You think Fulmer played the game fair and square? No, but I'm sure you supported and rooted for UT during his time.

 

[tennrich1]

As a UT fan I want to win as much as anyone. As a UT Alumni, if winning involves shady practices count me out. The allegation of tampering is a serious one. I have no idea what happened with Collins but as a man of integrity, I suspect Coach Barnes called St Louis University and spoke to the AD or head coach. I don't know that for sure... just a guess. I suspect he got and ear full. I used to live in St Louis. St Louis University is s big part of the community. If what he heard made him (Coach Barnes) uncomfortable...then he was correct to back away.

UT's reputation and its 300,000 graduates ( total system all time) deserve a coach that understands the word integrity is more than a word you banter around when you are trying to save your job. It's how you live your life. Thank God Coach Barnes is at the helm of our ship, when the NCAA and it's leadership have a abandoned the fleet completely. NIL era has been brought to us by state governors and legislatures. If I was looking for and honest man that is not where I would start.

Hopefully, and quickly the NCAA will find it's footing and allow conferences to put in place responsible policies with teeth. Otherwise, the games we all watch and enjoy will be destroyed.

I would agree on most points, especially having a man like CRB leading our program. I would say the SCOTUS probably has been mostly responsible for "bringing us directly into the NIL era". I think we've mostly agreed the ruling was fundamentally appropriate within a democracy and free market system but the ramifications will have a long reaching effect.... probably for years to come.

 

[germanicus]

As a UT fan I want to win as much as anyone. As a UT Alumni, if winning involves shady practices count me out. The allegation of tampering is a serious one. I have no idea what happened with Collins but as a man of integrity, I suspect Coach Barnes called St Louis University and spoke to the AD or head coach. I don't know that for sure... just a guess. I suspect he got and ear full. I used to live in St Louis. St Louis University is s big part of the community. If what he heard made him (Coach Barnes) uncomfortable...then he was correct to back away.

UT's reputation and its 300,000 graduates ( total system all time) deserve a coach that understands the word integrity is more than a word you banter around when you are trying to save your job. It's how you live your life. Thank God Coach Barnes is at the helm of our ship, when the NCAA and it's leadership have a abandoned the fleet completely. NIL era has been brought to us by state governors and legislatures. If I was looking for and honest man that is not where I would start.

Hopefully, and quickly the NCAA will find it's footing and allow conferences to put in place responsible policies with teeth. Otherwise, the games we all watch and enjoy will be destroyed.

The NIL was brought to us by NCAA which milked the popularity of college sports to the tune of billions of dollars and not sharing any of that with the athletes. Coaches like Rick Barnes highlighted that injustice by leveraging their positions into multimillion dollar salaries and endorsement deals. That was perfectly within their rights, as it is now within the right for college athletes to leverage their positions.
I have no love for politicians, but they didn’t create this mess.

 

[Dallasbowlin]

What's up with you and Lofton Jr.? Just asking.

Dude’s a baller. Lol he’s as close to Grant Williams that we could get IMO.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

As a UT fan I want to win as much as anyone. As a UT Alumni, if winning involves shady practices count me out. The allegation of tampering is a serious one. I have no idea what happened with Collins but as a man of integrity, I suspect Coach Barnes called St Louis University and spoke to the AD or head coach. I don't know that for sure... just a guess. I suspect he got and ear full. I used to live in St Louis. St Louis University is s big part of the community. If what he heard made him (Coach Barnes) uncomfortable...then he was correct to back away.

UT's reputation and its 300,000 graduates ( total system all time) deserve a coach that understands the word integrity is more than a word you banter around when you are trying to save your job. It's how you live your life. Thank God Coach Barnes is at the helm of our ship, when the NCAA and it's leadership have a abandoned the fleet completely. NIL era has been brought to us by state governors and legislatures. If I was looking for and honest man that is not where I would start.

Hopefully, and quickly the NCAA will find it's footing and allow conferences to put in place responsible policies with teeth. Otherwise, the games we all watch and enjoy will be destroyed.

I find it hard to believe that Rick “tampered” with anything. To me, this feels a lot more like the SLU AD being salty that a player wanted to leave for a place better positioned to give him success, so he threatened to blackmail Rick with unsubstantiated rumors. Rumors that would never actually amount to any real punishment, but just be an annoyance in the public eye.

That’s weak, IMO. We should have not given in so easily. It doesn’t seem like we did anything different than most other programs with players hitting the portal, yet we got cold feet and backed out.

 

[cardvolfan]

I find it hard to believe that Rick “tampered” with anything. To me, this feels a lot more like the SLU AD being salty that a player wanted to leave for a place better positioned to give him success, so he threatened to blackmail Rick with unsubstantiated rumors. Rumors that would never actually amount to any real punishment, but just be an annoyance in the public eye.

That’s weak, IMO. We should have not given in so easily. It doesn’t seem like we did anything different than most other programs with players hitting the portal, yet we got cold feet and backed out.

In reality, who really knows what specifically went down. I think there’s a whole lot to this story.

 

[cncchris33]

In regards to the tampering allegations, I was under the impression that Collins reached out to Tennessee a couple months ago. Is that not the case?

 

[golfballs]

So who are we pursuing now?

 

[golfballs]

In regards to the tampering allegations, I was under the impression that Collins reached out to Tennessee a couple months ago. Is that not the case?

Seems like the most plausible. Seems kind of random otherwise

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Seems like the most plausible. Seems kind of random otherwise

I’m pretty sure even BTO said that was the case. This whole tampering stuff seems ridiculous. If that really is why we missed out on him, I’m disappointed we didn’t stand firm.

 

[cncchris33]

Seems like the most plausible. Seems kind of random otherwise

In that case, where is the tampering? Unless Collins dialed up Barnes, Gainey, or Clark, directly, and they were dumb enough to entertain that phone call, what grounds for tampering is there? The prudent thing would have been to tell Collins to have his people get in touch with us, not him directly calling the staff.

 

[LeannaVol]

The Supreme Court Ruling literally says in the concurring opinion by Kavanaugh that the NCAA could institute some sort of collective bargaining agreement or some other negotiated agreement akin to professional sports for a share of league revenue. I see no mention saying the NCAA or Power 5 schools couldn't establish guidelines, it only says they cannot withhold a fair share of revenue for the student athletes that generate the money. See the section at the bottom taken out of the ruling.

The Supreme Court also limited their ruling to the NCAA and specifically said conferences could initiate their own rules. See statement below taken verbatim.

The court explained that the NCAA and its members could agree on rules regulating how conferences and schools go about providing these education-related benefits. Ibid. The court said that the NCAA and its members could continue fixing education-related cash awards, too—so long as those “limits are never lower than the limit” on awards for athletic performance. D. Ct. Op., at 1104; App. to Pet. for Cert. in No. 20–512, at 168a–169a, ¶5. And the court emphasized that its injunction applies only to the NCAA and multiconference agreements; individual conferences remain free to reimpose every single enjoined restraint tomorrow—or more restrictive ones still. Id., at 169a–170a, ¶¶6–7


Kavanugh's Concuriing Opinion- Of course, those difficult questions could be resolved in ways other than litigation. Legislation would be one option. Or colleges and student athletes could potentially engage in collective bargaining (or seek some other negotiated agreement) to provide student athletes a fairer share of the revenues that they generate for their colleges, akin to how professional football and basketball players have negotiated for a share of league revenues. Cf. Brown v. Pro Football, Inc., 518 U. S. 231, 235–237 (1996); Wood v. National Basketball Assn., 809 F. 2d 954, 958–963 (CA2 1987) (R. Winter, J.).

I think we need to compensate players we just need to establish some guidelines and I believe the ruling referenced above reinforces a conferences ability to do that.

 

[cardvolfan]

In regards to the tampering allegations, I was under the impression that Collins reached out to Tennessee a couple months ago. Is that not the case?

That is something I specifically never heard one way or the other. My Billikens’ brethren said 7-10 days ago he was gone to Tennessee. Those are two well-connected people in the St. Louis area, and I felt confident they knew. That’s what I get for not following my own advice. When they sign on the dotted line, we’re good. If they don’t, then anything can still happen.

 

[golfballs]

Shouldn’t underestimate Travis Ford. Probably worked out some kind of shady deal

 

[Vols8086]

Not saying the SLU AD threatening tampering is false, but I haven't heard that. I was told "SLU paid Yuri and that's it."

So I don't know if that means we were outbid or what happened but it's a shocking turn of events. This staff thought Yuri was a done deal a month ago and operated as such.

 

[VolOnthePlains]

 

[Delmar]

If I were in my 20s and someone was willing to pay me a couple hundred grand or more with expenses covered to live in Europe for a few years, I’d feel like I had found the pot of gold.

Maybe so. If he plays like he has since he’s been in Knoxville, I can’t imagine any pro league picking him up. So far all he’s done is miss shots and take up space on our bench. Not a great resume. Maybe he can get it back on track. If he does, he could help us but so far I haven’t seen what the hype was about.

 

[Ryno14]

 

[golfballs]

He didn’t play PG for them this year did he? Carr and Askew ran the point?

 

[VolOnthePlains]

This guy plays like a longer Vescovi

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

The Supreme Court Ruling literally says in the concurring opinion by Kavanaugh that the NCAA could institute some sort of collective bargaining agreement or some other negotiated agreement akin to professional sports for a share of league revenue. I see no mention saying the NCAA or Power 5 schools couldn't establish guidelines, it only says they cannot withhold a fair share of revenue for the student athletes that generate the money. See the section at the bottom taken out of the ruling.

The Supreme Court also limited their ruling to the NCAA and specifically said conferences could initiate their own rules. See statement below taken verbatim.

The court explained that the NCAA and its members could agree on rules regulating how conferences and schools go about providing these education-related benefits. Ibid. The court said that the NCAA and its members could continue fixing education-related cash awards, too—so long as those “limits are never lower than the limit” on awards for athletic performance. D. Ct. Op., at 1104; App. to Pet. for Cert. in No. 20–512, at 168a–169a, ¶5. And the court emphasized that its injunction applies only to the NCAA and multiconference agreements; individual conferences remain free to reimpose every single enjoined restraint tomorrow—or more restrictive ones still. Id., at 169a–170a, ¶¶6–7


Kavanugh's Concuriing Opinion- Of course, those difficult questions could be resolved in ways other than litigation. Legislation would be one option. Or colleges and student athletes could potentially engage in collective bargaining (or seek some other negotiated agreement) to provide student athletes a fairer share of the revenues that they generate for their colleges, akin to how professional football and basketball players have negotiated for a share of league revenues. Cf. Brown v. Pro Football, Inc., 518 U. S. 231, 235–237 (1996); Wood v. National Basketball Assn., 809 F. 2d 954, 958–963 (CA2 1987) (R. Winter, J.).

I think we need to compensate players we just need to establish some guidelines and I believe the ruling referenced above reinforces a conferences ability to do that.

Kavanaugh’s comments are separate from the ruling and are not law. You’re misreading the actual ruling, which is very narrow. Right now the NCAA wouldn’t dare take any action that would invite another challenge. They are on the edge of a wave of lawsuits not just from current players, but from past players as well. The last thing they’ll do is create more rules that invite more litigation. Those who suggest that there can be a a lottery and a draft order like the NFL and NBA to create parity forget that such a choice would limit a student’s right to choose a school. That also won’t happen. For the time being, the rich will get richer. Schools in big conferences with big conglomerate funds will rule the talent pool. I tend to think that we will eventually move to schools being associated with athletics in name, and athletes will not be required to even go to school. At that point, one could force parity. While this ruling was the right thing to do for the players, it will hurt the integrity of the sport too. Both things can be true.

 

[golfballs]

Grant Sherfield from Nevada entered the portal, will have 1 year remaining , 2 if he opted to use a COVID year. From Fort Worth, TX and went to Sunrise Christian Academy so good chance Clark has a tie there. Haven’t heard him at all so may be nothing but he’s thought to be a Top 5 transfer.

His 2 years at Nevada: 6’2” 189lbs
35.2mpg 18.8ppg 6.2apg 4.0rpg 43%fg 48%2ptfg 35%3ptfg 86%ft

This guy might be my favorite PG left.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

In that case, where is the tampering? Unless Collins dialed up Barnes, Gainey, or Clark, directly, and they were dumb enough to entertain that phone call, what grounds for tampering is there? The prudent thing would have been to tell Collins to have his people get in touch with us, not him directly calling the staff.

I don’t know that SLU could have gotten Tennessee on it, maybe they could’ve maybe not, and as @Vols8086 mentioned I know he got a nice bit of $$$ to return to LSU…with Barnes being how he is it was enough of a “threat/discussion” with the tampering and an already mentioned stance of being against bidding for him to say pass.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

He didn’t play PG for them this year did he? Carr and Askew ran the point?

Yea, he was more of an off ball in his career at Texas…hard to see where he’d slot in here.

 

[cncchris33]

Not saying the SLU AD threatening tampering is false, but I haven't heard that. I was told "SLU paid Yuri and that's it."

So I don't know if that means we were outbid or what happened but it's a shocking turn of events. This staff thought Yuri was a done deal a month ago and operated as such.

I don’t know that SLU could have gotten Tennessee on it, maybe they could’ve maybe not, and as @Vols8086 mentioned I know he got a nice bit of $$$ to return to LSU…with Barnes being how he is it was enough of a “threat/discussion” with the tampering and an already mentioned stance of being against bidding for him to say pass.

Geez...what a beta move by Barnes and Co.