Tennessee will have a great season in 2017/2018

[1CHATTVOL]

An unranked team from last year loses three starters, including their leading scorer, leading assist maker and top outside shooter. They are being replaced with freshmen.

Such disrespect! 🙄🙄🙄

But that team still has 2 of the top players in America, other seasoned players, and replaced with 4 of the top 12 freshmen in America.

The player that left was a cancer that caused the team to go from 30 wins to 20 despite her obvious talents.

Also, did you consider the teams and criteria for who did make the list? Vandy? Unranked. Lost their best player and added a couple of freshmen.

No one saying TN should be Top 10, but not Top 25 is such disrespect. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

 

[Amb3096]

155 wins, SEC Championships, Elite 8 finishes, #1 recruiting class... seems like somebody at TN can coach. Maybe it's Dean?

Yeah, they can start hanging up those E8 banners in TBA.

Those accomplishments would be impressive for a school that didn't already have experience as an elite team. You can pretend all you want that Holly is an awesome coach, but no one is buying that snake oil.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

K.K. is a recruit handler and meddles in his fair share of drama while being a lifelong Tennessee hater, not just Holly hater. With that said, his list is pretty darn good. Tennessee must prove they are top 25/30 before any gets mad at someone omitting them from preseason polls that are meaningless.

Is anyone "mad" ? I mean, all of this board is "meaningless". We're just discussing. You admit KK is a TN hater. That's obvious and based on the criteria given for the teams in the lower part of the poll, TN should be in there.

His list is not that good.

 

[T.J.]

Or beating 4 Top 10 teams? Wait, was that winning? I think there are some problems with a team that a coach can't fix right away. I ask you to recall that The Great Builder of Winning Tradition coached a roster of All Americans to a first-round loss to Ball St.

It's your mission to trash HW every chance you get. And that is OK. I'm here for you.

CHW had her LVs beat 4 top 10 teams and STILL had them out of the Top 25 in the AP & ESPN polls by seasons end. Good grief, 1CHATTVOL!

It is time for you to see an eye doctor, seek help. And have Holly foot the bill. k:

 

[T.J.]

Tennessee is most definitely a Top 25 team...especially if we're just basing it on preseason estimations.

So, even a HW basher can't believe that we will be worse than Vandy.

It's just not enough for the Love of our beloved Ladyvols. You just had to bring The Commodores into the equation?

Vandy got their own problems. :stinker2:

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

I agree with you about K.K. he's never been kind to Tennessee and I don't like him very much. But the fact remains. Tennessee is not a top 25 team and that's not K.K.'s fault.

So Vandy, Florida, and LSU are? If you don't think TN is a top 25 team that's fine because I don't put stock in polls but when I look at a poll and see FL with a transition year and losing senior leaders, LSU who has been chronically worse on the offensive end than TN. Vandy is a year older so I could see that potential. Anyways I'm not worried about polls I was just looking at it from the perspective of butt kissing and not taking the poll seriously. I hope an omittiin ticks these girls off and they come out with something to prove. I prefer that. It's not K.K.'s fault IF we are not a top 25 team. I'm good and can't wait for the season to start!

Go Lady Vols!

 

[T.J.]

So Vandy, Florida, and LSU are? If you don't think TN is a top 25 team that's fine because I don't put stock in polls but when I look at a poll and see FL with a transition year and losing senior leaders, LSU who has been chronically worse on the offensive end than TN. Vandy is a year older so I could see that potential. Anyways I'm not worried about polls I was just looking at it from the perspective of butt kissing and not taking the poll seriously. I hope an omittiin ticks these girls off and they come out with something to prove. I prefer that. It's not K.K.'s fault IF we are not a top 25 team. I'm good and can't wait for the season to start!

Go Lady Vols!

None of those aforementioned teams had anything to do with CHW except for those Florida and LSU losses. :cray:

The last two seasons the LVs looked discombobulated on the court. And the coach responsible for that look is and was Holly Warlick. :thud:

Hunker down & get use to it. Gone are those days where Tennessee was a given in any Preseasons Top 25 polls. :yes:

It is time to face reality.

But always and forever....

GOLADYVOLS!

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

None of those aforementioned teams had anything to do with CHW except for those Florida and LSU losses. :cray:

The last two seasons the LVs looked discombobulated on the court. And the coach responsible for that look is and was Holly Warlick. :thud:

Hunker down & get use to it. Gone are those days where Tennessee was a given in any Preseasons Top 25 polls. :yes:

It is time to face reality.

But always and forever....

GOLADYVOLS!

TN didn't lose to either of those teams last year and beat them quite handily... the coaches that helped UF beat TN TWO SEASONS ago are gone lol... but as you said

GOLADYVOLS!

 

[Ladyvol777]

I promise y'all one thing Anastasia Hayes hates to lose. The Tennessee fans do also.

 

[Amb3096]

But that team still has 2 of the top players in America, other seasoned players, and replaced with 4 of the top 12 freshmen in America.

The player that left was a cancer that caused the team to go from 30 wins to 20 despite her obvious talents.

Also, did you consider the teams and criteria for who did make the list? Vandy? Unranked. Lost their best player and added a couple of freshmen.

No one saying TN should be Top 10, but not Top 25 is such disrespect. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Diamond leaving is like a dream come true for you because it allows you to make her the scapegoat for Tennessee's woes the last two seasons. If only Tennessee had someone on their staff who was responsible for taking the collective talent of the women's basketball players and accountable for shaping their attitudes and getting them to play cohesively as a team...

One also doesn't have to look very hard at the roster of the teams that did make the ranking list, because I recall a few seasons ago that a star studded Tennessee team with seven HS AAs was the pre-season #4 team and ended the regular season unranked behind teams with far less talent.

I don't blame a single pollster for not putting Tennessee in the Top 25 because they clearly have proven that collectively, they are worse than the sum of their parts. There is no disrespect leaving them off the polls because they've done zilch to earn it in the past 2 seasons.

 

[Amb3096]

I promise y'all one thing Anastasia Hayes hates to lose. The Tennessee fans do also.

If Tennessee has (or had) players that didn't hate to lose, then they've been going after the wrong players.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Not making the top 25 is indeed an incentive, but it is also an insult to this program. We still have two of the top players in the country on anybody's radar, the #1 incoming class, and a history of success and high standard that is much deeper than the history of recent tidings.

The main reason I would prefer being #25 instead of #26 or deeper,,is that when you start outside of the top 25 it is almost as if the pollsters make you wait longer to enter, than when you start in the top 25, fall out and try to make a re-entry.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

Love her or hate her, diamond helped tennessee compensate for bad coaching, she kept them in the picture for ncaa tourny appearances, and tennessee won many more games with her point production than they would have without it. Her defense was also underrated..easily tennessee's best defensive player too..

As far as the whole drama concerning tea and diamond, the buck stops with the head coach. Since holly took over head coaching responsibilities, her teams have had the same problems year in and year out. There is no dicipline or accountibility when the players continue to make the same mistakes. I think the lack of dicipline is really to blame for the cooper nared fight. It prolly festered for awhile, then blew up. I dont wholly blame holly for the whole fiasco, but as head coach, she certainly has to shoulder much of the blame..

Im still on the fence about holly as head coach. I think she has had some bad luck as far as injuries go, but she is also incredibly one dimensional as far as play calling goes. I really believe that if not for diamond, holly would have already been fired.

All in all, ill continue to supprt holly as head coach, but if she continues to lose to these unranked teams, its going to be hard for me to continue that support. She still has all the talent in the world, even without diamond, tea, and middleton, so i just dont see any more excuses for them losing to unranked teams.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

Tennessee really needs to come out this year and play to their potential and get off to a quick start. Close the games out early, quit making stupid mistakes. One way to quickly climb the rankings is to jump on these teams early and put em away..we will see how it goes, i wont hold my breathe though

 

[Amb3096]

Not making the top 25 is indeed an incentive, but it is also an insult to this program. We still have two of the top players in the country on anybody's radar, the #1 incoming class, and a history of success and high standard that is much deeper than the history of recent tidings.

The main reason I would prefer being #25 instead of #26 or deeper,,is that when you start outside of the top 25 it is almost as if the pollsters make you wait longer to enter, than when you start in the top 25, fall out and try to make a re-entry.

Their roster the last 2 seasons was more impressive than it is going into this season, and they finished the regular season outside of the top 25 both years. On paper, this is easily a top 10-15 team...but Tennessee has not performed according to what's on paper for the past 2 seasons and IMO need to earn their way back into the rankings.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

It's just not enough for the Love of our beloved Ladyvols. You just had to bring The Commodores into the equation?

Vandy got their own problems. :stinker2:

But they made the list! Pretty sure they weren't in any Top 25 poll at year-end either. Just saying.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

It is time for you to see an eye doctor, seek help. And have Holly foot the bill. k:

That made me laugh a Lil bit. Thanks, TJ.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

Their roster the last 2 seasons was more impressive than it is going into this season, and they finished the regular season outside of the top 25 both years. On paper, this is easily a top 10-15 team...but Tennessee has not performed according to what's on paper for the past 2 seasons and IMO need to earn their way back into the rankings.

Would concur if not for the other teams in that list. They don't even have the capacity to earn their way in. Pick any team not in the final poll last season, since that's the measuring stick. Now please tell me what they have over TN that makes them top caliber. How do you explain it?

 

[1CHATTVOL]

Love her or hate her, diamond helped tennessee compensate for bad coaching, she kept them in the picture for ncaa tourny appearances, and tennessee won many more games with her point production than they would have without it. Her defense was also underrated..easily tennessee's best defensive player too..

As far as the whole drama concerning tea and diamond, the buck stops with the head coach. Since holly took over head coaching responsibilities, her teams have had the same problems year in and year out. There is no dicipline or accountibility when the players continue to make the same mistakes. I think the lack of dicipline is really to blame for the cooper nared fight. It prolly festered for awhile, then blew up. I dont wholly blame holly for the whole fiasco, but as head coach, she certainly has to shoulder much of the blame..

Im still on the fence about holly as head coach. I think she has had some bad luck as far as injuries go, but she is also incredibly one dimensional as far as play calling goes. I really believe that if not for diamond, holly would have already been fired.

All in all, ill continue to supprt holly as head coach, but if she continues to lose to these unranked teams, its going to be hard for me to continue that support. She still has all the talent in the world, even without diamond, tea, and middleton, so i just dont see any more excuses for them losing to unranked teams.

I agree that DD is extremely gifted. One of the best natural players I've seen. But I think there is an ego/emotional issue there. But that's a whole other discussion.

I'll even agree that the discipline problems should have been fixed by HW as Coach. But I'm telling you that the only fix was how it worked out.

Please also consider that before DD played at TN, we won 30 games and the SEC and were ranked in the Top 10. And that would've been better with a healthy Izzy.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

Not making the top 25 is indeed an incentive, but it is also an insult to this program. We still have two of the top players in the country on anybody's radar, the #1 incoming class, and a history of success and high standard that is much deeper than the history of recent tidings.

The main reason I would prefer being #25 instead of #26 or deeper,,is that when you start outside of the top 25 it is almost as if the pollsters make you wait longer to enter, than when you start in the top 25, fall out and try to make a re-entry.

Yes! Hopefully, the main polls will be wiser.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

If Tennessee has (or had) players that didn't hate to lose, then they've been going after the wrong players.

Oh, the players didn't like losing. But some players thought they could win without effort.

Some players thought they knew best - more than the coaches.

Some players didn't follow the game plan because they thought they could just turn it on when necessary.

Some players convinced other teammates that players that put in extra effort and tried hard or called out teammates for lack of work were locker room cancers. (Ironic, since those doing the convincing were really the cancers. )

Sometimes, it's tough to tell when players are wrong until it's too late to easily fix it...especially when you care for the well-being of the problem player.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Oh, the players didn't like losing. But some players thought they could win without effort.

Some players thought they knew best - more than the coaches.

Some players didn't follow the game plan because they thought they could just turn it on when necessary.

Some players convinced other teammates that players that put in extra effort and tried hard or called out teammates for lack of work were locker room cancers. (Ironic, since those doing the convincing were really the cancers. )

Sometimes, it's tough to tell when players are wrong until it's too late to easily fix it...especially when you care for the well-being of the problem player.

CHATT,,,Take a break. Walk away and come back.

Just a suggestion.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

Yeah, they can start hanging up those E8 banners in TBA.

Those accomplishments would be impressive for a school that didn't already have experience as an elite team. You can pretend all you want that Holly is an awesome coach, but no one is buying that snake oil.

No pretense. She has done as well or better than most would've done here following Pat's death.

Not saying she's "awesome" in the respect that she's the best coach in America. All I've ever tried to do is point out facts and try to provide a perspective that's not mired in Fahr Holly.

We Back Pat but we are not getting Pat back. Any other sure thing coach (if there is one) would NOT come here or the fan base wouldn't want them because of the coach's personality.

These last two years were bad. Highlight moments that showed what could be done with focus. But prior to that, this coach did just fine. Folks want to Fahr her for one game not won. If we'd gotten one more step to the final four, folks say they'd be happy. BUT want to fire her for Elite 8?

Anyway, you don't have to agree with me. I'm just taking time because I think you make detailed, (mostly...ha!) intelligent posts. I hate to see that good of a fan sour on a TN LVFL that has done a good job - not the ultimate yet - but good.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

Diamond leaving is like a dream come true for you because it allows you to make her the scapegoat for Tennessee's woes the last two seasons. If only Tennessee had someone on their staff who was responsible for taking the collective talent of the women's basketball players and accountable for shaping their attitudes and getting them to play cohesively as a team...

No need to be snide. I wholly believe it to be true. I wouldn't use her as a scapegoat because I was DD's biggest fan for 3+ years.

DD and her hand picked all stars actually made UNC worse by 3 or 4 games in 2014, their freshman year. From 2nd in ACC to 5th. How is that even possible?

I thought it would be different at TN because this is where she always dreamed of going. Things became more complicated with TC in the mix.

Perhaps a different style of coach could've made it work, but I don't know. Players now don't take kindly to being forced. They quit and look for greener pastures.

Just as Pat Summitt with all her successes and strength of motivation couldn't mold those AA's in 2009, sometimes it just doesn't work. Eventually, in later seasons, they played better because the players also wanted to be better. Although, at least 2 of them were cut from the team.

Blame whomever you like. I'm obviously not going to affect your decision, Amb. But maybe someone reading these novels will think about what I've said.

 

[Rickster]

Well done. No apologies for speaking your mind and defending the defenseless on this forum. Those that want you to shut up have their own agenda.