Tennessee will have a great season in 2017/2018

[Ladyvol777]

If Tennessee has (or had) players that didn't hate to lose, then they've been going after the wrong players.

I believe all players hate to lose, but some won't work hard enough to make it change. This is what will set Anastasia Hayes apart form a lot of players. Her teammates will learn this about her and she will be a great leader. :salute:

 

[Amb3096]

Would concur if not for the other teams in that list. They don't even have the capacity to earn their way in. Pick any team not in the final poll last season, since that's the measuring stick. Now please tell me what they have over TN that makes them top caliber. How do you explain it?

Because why should Tennessee be treated any differently from, say, Alabama or Ole Miss? Hardly anyone would bat an eye if Vandy was picked ahead of one of those teams? That's the company Tennessee keeps, until they prove that they are good on the court as they are on paper. They controlled their own destiny, so it's no one's fault but their own that they aren't receiving any respect from the media. If they want to change that perception, they need to do it on the court...not just by beating the SCs and NDs but also by not losing to the Alabamas and Ole Misses.

 

[T.J.]

TN didn't lose to either of those teams last year and beat them quite handily... the coaches that helped UF beat TN TWO SEASONS ago are gone lol... but as you said

GOLADYVOLS!

Thanks for the correction. I was probably thinking of several seasons ago or the season before that, oh I forget. Anyhow with Holly at the helm the seasons are so discombobulated. <<<That's a fun word!

 

[Amb3096]

No pretense. She has done as well or better than most would've done here following Pat's death.

Not saying she's "awesome" in the respect that she's the best coach in America. All I've ever tried to do is point out facts and try to provide a perspective that's not mired in Fahr Holly.

We Back Pat but we are not getting Pat back. Any other sure thing coach (if there is one) would NOT come here or the fan base wouldn't want them because of the coach's personality.

These last two years were bad. Highlight moments that showed what could be done with focus. But prior to that, this coach did just fine. Folks want to Fahr her for one game not won. If we'd gotten one more step to the final four, folks say they'd be happy. BUT want to fire her for Elite 8?

Anyway, you don't have to agree with me. I'm just taking time because I think you make detailed, (mostly...ha!) intelligent posts. I hate to see that good of a fan sour on a TN LVFL that has done a good job - not the ultimate yet - but good.

I was pretty supportive of Holly her first few years. I thought she did a good job keeping them as a solid top 10 team and in the running for #1 seeds in the NCAAT. I wasn't part of the chorus saying she should be fired her first 3 years, or even her first 4 years...but she deserves to be on the hot seat after 2 terrible seasons with a stacked roster (and I don't consider getting blown out by Syracuse in the E8 as a successful season). She can shut up her detractors by putting together a quality product on the floor, but shouldn't expect to get a free pass...just because. IMHO, of course. Your mileage may vary.

 

[T.J.]

CHATT,,,Take a break. Walk away and come back.

Just a suggestion.

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GOLadyVols!

 

[Amb3096]

No need to be snide. I wholly believe it to be true. I wouldn't use her as a scapegoat because I was DD's biggest fan for 3+ years.

DD and her hand picked all stars actually made UNC worse by 3 or 4 games in 2014, their freshman year. From 2nd in ACC to 5th. How is that even possible?

I thought it would be different at TN because this is where she always dreamed of going. Things became more complicated with TC in the mix.

Perhaps a different style of coach could've made it work, but I don't know. Players now don't take kindly to bring forced. They quit and look for greener pastures.

Just as Pat Summitt with all her successes and strength of motivation couldn't mold those AA's in 2009, sometimes it just doesn't work. Eventually, in later seasons, they played better because the players also wanted to be better. Although, at least 2 of them were cut from the team.

Blame whomever you like. I'm obviously not going to affect your decision, Amb. But maybe someone reading these novels will think about what I've said.

Notre Dame joining the ACC in 2014 had a lot to do with the fact that Diamond's UNC team lost a whopping 2 more games in the ACC compared to the previous year. IIRC, NC also lost Ruffin-Pratt and Rolle and started 3 freshmen and a sophomore. I don't think they had a bad season at all.

The 2009 season will probably be similar situation as this coming season. Talented freshmen, but zero experience at PG. Not that Evina and Annie don't have the potential to be good, but it will be more difficult without having the mentoring by someone who has experience at that position. Tennessee's offense doesn't usually take advantage of strong PG skills, so who knows how this first year will turn out. BTW, what do you mean players were "cut" from the team? Are you saying Brewer, McMahon and/or Gray were asked to leave?

As for who's to blame, I know you've been very adamant about putting this at Diamond and Te'a's feet, but as the old saying goes, "the buck stops with the head coach". If Diamond/Te'a were team players, then Holly did a poor job of getting the most out of them. If they were (as you put it) cancers to the team, then Holly was ineffectual in managing the team. Either way, her name should come up higher on the Blame Totem Pole than any of the players.

 

[alexvol]

Oh, the players didn't like losing. But some players thought they could win without effort.

Some players thought they knew best - more than the coaches.

Some players didn't follow the game plan because they thought they could just turn it on when necessary.

Some players convinced other teammates that players that put in extra effort and tried hard or called out teammates for lack of work were locker room cancers. (Ironic, since those doing the convincing were really the cancers. )

Sometimes, it's tough to tell when players are wrong until it's too late to easily fix it...especially when you care for the well-being of the problem player.

You must be Coach Holly Warlick to have such inside insight .:crazy:

 

[1CHATTVOL]

You must be Coach Holly Warlick to have such inside insight .:crazy:

Maybe I am. Is that supposed to be some clever put-down?

 

[1CHATTVOL]

CHATT,,,Take a break. Walk away and come back.

Just a suggestion.

Why? This is so much fun. Are you not entertained?

 

[Coach Jumper]

Why? This is so much fun. Are you not entertained?

I was. Then "nightly news hour" became "CNN"

Edited...Don't want to put out your fire, CHATT,,, HW needs people like you behind her.

Might want to stick to a thread or two a day and take a breath every now and again.


Ask anyone who's been here for a while...Coach J made the same entry.

You've just got to keep em hungry,,,not keep em full.

just a suggestion

 

[1CHATTVOL]

I was. Then "nightly news hour" became "CNN"

Edited...Don't want to put out your fire, CHATT,,, HW needs people like you behind her.

Might want to stick to a thread or two a day and take a breath every now and again.


Ask anyone who's been here for a while...Coach J made the same entry.

You've just got to keep em hungry,,,not keep em full.

just a suggestion

Sooo, I hear you, Jumper. But the logic is lost because I just discuss the points others make. I'm not starting my own threads of Holly praise. I don't see you offering sage advice to others that post constant negativity. I'm responding lately to those that are addressing me or my posts.

I sat quietly for a very long time just reading the constant bashing comments of forum regulars - including yours - until I just thought enough is enough.

Anyway, thanks for the advice. You might try sharing it with a few others, as well.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Sooo, I hear you, Jumper. But the logic is lost because I just discuss the points others make. I'm not starting my own threads of Holly praise. I don't see you offering sage advice to others that post constant negativity. I'm responding lately to those that are addressing me or my posts.

I sat quietly for a very long time just reading the constant bashing comments of forum regulars - including yours - until I just thought enough is enough.

Anyway, thanks for the advice. You might try sharing it with a few others, as well.

I don't bash... Bashing is defined as "severe public criticism"... I have not been severe in my postings and shared public opinions.

Now, has CHW impressed me with her progression as the Lady Vol head coach?
Not yet.

When she does more with what she is given than I feel I could have done with the same,,, I will heap the accolades upon her.

++++++

As far as the "drive-by posters" or people who truly do "bash",,, YAWN.... If they can't say anything but "fahr Holly" or post their posting, just to hurt CHW...they have their 15 seconds of fame and that is all I want them to have. I am not going to extend their time to 16 seconds.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

I don't bash... Bashing is defined as "severe public criticism"... I have not been severe in my postings and shared public opinions.

Now, has CHW impressed me with her progression as the Lady Vol head coach?
Not yet.

When she does more with what she is given than I feel I could have done with the same,,, I will heap the accolades upon her.

++++++

As far as the "drive-by posters" or people who truly do "bash",,, YAWN.... If they can't say anything but "fahr Holly" or post their posting, just to hurt CHW...they have their 15 seconds of fame and that is all I want them to have. I am not going to extend their time to 16 seconds.

Some good points. But your phrase, "...than I feel I could have done with the same" is a little off-putting.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Some good points. But your phrase, "...than I feel I could have done with the same" is a little off-putting.

All coaches grade in this same way. . . ""If I had those athletes in that facility and in that environment,,, what would I expect to accomplish.

Secondly we look at situationals..e.g..
the score's tied 16-16 at 6:59
the opposition goes on a 6+ run 6:01
(do I take a time out)
the run goes to 12 and the tv timeout is 2 minutes away
(do I now take a time out)
wait for the tv time out ...16-0 run
(right decision?)

((Sorry to put you off))

 

[Ladyvol777]

Hey,Gmule,hope you are doing okay in battling your illness. My thoughts on MeMe are that,when she's in the game,she should try to be down court on offense quicker than any defenders to possibly get a pass and a layup. In the old days,we called these type players"snowbirds" and they could really disrupt an opponents strategy in a short while. Makes the other team worry more about getting back on defense than playing offense. Just a thought from many years experience playing and watching. Go Lady Vols.
Gmule,you are still in my thoughts and prayers.

I like that, MeMe will do just fine the next two years.,

 

[Coach Jumper]

Hey,Gmule,hope you are doing okay in battling your illness. My thoughts on MeMe are that,when she's in the game,she should try to be down court on offense quicker than any defenders to possibly get a pass and a layup. In the old days,we called these type players"snowbirds" and they could really disrupt an opponents strategy in a short while. Makes the other team worry more about getting back on defense than playing offense. Just a thought from many years experience playing and watching. Go Lady Vols.
Gmule,you are still in my thoughts and prayers.

Have you ever played on a court with a team that snowbirds?..When a team employs that tactic more than once my girls go into the "Jordan Rules" till they stop that crap.

 

[armchair]

I chuckle at those who think that, if only all the fans were positive and there was no "negativity," the program would magically improve. Small-town thinking at its worst. The program is what is is now, and what it is now is not very good. And it's not been very good for a decade--despite having more talent than 99 percent of our opponents--and pretending otherwise will only prolong our problems, not fix them. We've already seen that. We've had coaching issues for a long time, and we're not going to challenge for a title again until we fix them. But we still have the LV's logo!

 

[Coach Jumper]

I chuckle at those who think that, if only all the fans were positive and there was no "negativity," the program would magically improve. Small-town thinking at its worst. The program is what is is now, and what it is now is not very good. And it's not been very good for a decade--despite having more talent than 99 percent of our opponents--and pretending otherwise will only prolong our problems, not fix them. We've already seen that. We've had coaching issues for a long time, and we're not going to challenge for a title again until we fix them. But we still have the LV's logo!

All that, just to attack the logo issue again.
...

Petty.

 

[lvfan35yr]

I chuckle at those who think that, if only all the fans were positive and there was no "negativity," the program would magically improve. Small-town thinking at its worst. The program is what is is now, and what it is now is not very good. And it's not been very good for a decade--despite having more talent than 99 percent of our opponents--and pretending otherwise will only prolong our problems, not fix them. We've already seen that. We've had coaching issues for a long time, and we're not going to challenge for a title again until we fix them. But we still have the LV's logo!

i hate losers like you,say your fans but your not.my aunt played coach pat n has and has seen lack effort n play.wth greene n other big phyical gitl we will be fine

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

I chuckle at those who think that, if only all the fans were positive and there was no "negativity," the program would magically improve. Small-town thinking at its worst. The program is what is is now, and what it is now is not very good. And it's not been very good for a decade--despite having more talent than 99 percent of our opponents--and pretending otherwise will only prolong our problems, not fix them. We've already seen that. We've had coaching issues for a long time, and we're not going to challenge for a title again until we fix them. But we still have the LV's logo!

Haha ... what a tool! You have some valid points. I agree with having better talent and coaching needing to change/improve. At first it was we needed better recruiting because we didn't land anyone. We got the number 1 class. Now we brought in another coach who has had success in developing players albeit on a mid-major level but none the less success. I believe coach Gordon who has been there as a LV will challenge them to change IF CHW let's it happen. I don't think Coach BG will be afraid to speak up as much as some of her predecessors. The LV logo is a source of pride to some no need to take a shot at it. Also if you had done your research the TEAMS have the right to declare how they want to represent themselves so yes the logo is back and that is a big win for those who think that is important. If you don't have to dismiss the past to focus on the future!

 

[xanamanax]

I chuckle at those who think that, if only all the fans were positive and there was no "negativity," the program would magically improve. Small-town thinking at its worst. The program is what is is now, and what it is now is not very good. And it's not been very good for a decade--despite having more talent than 99 percent of our opponents--and pretending otherwise will only prolong our problems, not fix them. We've already seen that. We've had coaching issues for a long time, and we're not going to challenge for a title again until we fix them. But we still have the LV's logo!

"it's not been very good for a decade"

Our last championship was in that decade. Not good enough for you?

But even if we don't count that season since it was the start of that decade, since then we've had three other seasons of 30 wins or more. Plus three seasons of 27-29 wins. Four SEC tournament championships and 4 regular season championships. Yes, we have not even made it to the Final Four since that last national championship. That's been disappointing. But disappointing and not very good are not necessarily the same thing. And when one looks at our record, it's clearly not.

To say we have not been very good for all of those nine years is showing your true colors: someone who will say anything, no matter how ridiculous, to denigrate the Lady Vol program.

 

[LadyVol1908]

"it's not been very good for a decade"

our last championship was in that decade. Not good enough for you?

But even if we don't count that season since it was the start of that decade, since then we've had three other seasons of 30 wins or more. Plus three seasons of 27-29 wins. Four sec tournament championships and 4 regular season championships. Yes, we have not even made it to the final four since that last national championship. That's been disappointing. But disappointing and not very good are not necessarily the same thing. And when one looks at our record, it's clearly not.

To say we have not been very good for all of those nine years is showing your true colors: Someone who will say anything, no matter how ridiculous, to denigrate the lady vol program.

+10000000000000

 

[Coach Jumper]

"it's not been very good for a decade"

Our last championship was in that decade. Not good enough for you?

But even if we don't count that season since it was the start of that decade, since then we've had three other seasons of 30 wins or more. Plus three seasons of 27-29 wins. Four SEC tournament championships and 4 regular season championships. Yes, we have not even made it to the Final Four since that last national championship. That's been disappointing. But disappointing and not very good are not necessarily the same thing. And when one looks at our record, it's clearly not.

To say we have not been very good for all of those nine years is showing your true colors: someone who will say anything, no matter how ridiculous, to denigrate the Lady Vol program.

I don't think it is about denigrating the program. It's obvious that most of the posters here bleed orange.

Some a very light shade of orange..

. . .It's about getting the program back to the standard it set...

 

[gule]

our last decade sure beat the hell out of La Tech, ODU, and OTexas's. Former dynasties all.

 

[Benionsopinion]

I don't think it is about denigrating the program. It's obvious that most of the posters here bleed orange.

Some a very light shade of orange..

. . .It's about getting the program back to the standard it set...

Coach J,got to disagree with you here. It is about denigrating the program,the coaches and players over several years. Also his "decade" started two years ago and included the last two Lady Vol national championships. Just letting you know his shade of orange.