Tennessee will have a great season in 2017/2018

Coach J,got to disagree with you here. It is about denigrating the program,the coaches and players over several years. Also his "decade" started two years ago and included the last two Lady Vol national championships. Just letting you know his shade of orange.


Like I said, most of us bleed orange...But we are connected for different reasons,,,Alumni,,, Knows someone within the team,,Pat Summit follower,,,Random choice,,,etc.

All of us who are true UT LV backers (Not trolls) all want the same thing...."What we had".

If we can't have what we had...Then, only "more than what we had", is acceptable.

I don't want to settle for less.
 
Coach J,got to disagree with you here. It is about denigrating the program,the coaches and players over several years. Also his "decade" started two years ago and included the last two Lady Vol national championships. Just letting you know his shade of orange.

I really, really, really miss the "like" button. Hi:hi:, Ben.
 
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Hey,Smallvol,hope all is well with you! I always enjoy your posts and your repartee with Gule. Hope to hear something good from Gmule soon about his progress.
 
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Hey,Smallvol,hope all is well with you! I always enjoy your posts and your repartee with Gule. Hope to hear something good from Gmule soon about his progress.

Doing well, hoping LV basketball is not as confusing this year as the football team has been so far😀. Had some relatively good news from G'mule. It's a tough process. Hope he posts soon for all to keep in touch. Lots of🙏🙏🙏for him.

gule:crazy:?HE STILL HAS MY WHITE HAT!! :cray:

Oh, and celebrating the overturning of bamadave's tyrannical edict:rock::rock::dance2:.

GO LADY VOLS!!:dance2::dance2:
(In honor of you G'mule:good!:)
 
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Do all the motels book for the girls tournament?

Obviously not all of them, but those hotels within easy walking distance of the arena are generally fully booked. Ever since the flood in downtown Nashville, the prices for a hotel room in that area seem to have tripled. Frankly, they are way overpriced and I am surprised that they fill up. Personally, I would book a little further out and drive and park. But if you do that watch out for scammers at the parking lots. They will try to get you to pay them cash instead of using the machine at the lot and will give you a ticket from another lot with an outdated time stamp.

Jim
 
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I worry that 10 players is a thin bench

It's only thin if:

1. You don't have any versatile players.
2. Every player doesn't have a back up because of #1.
3. All 10 can't be counted on to contribute.

If the above is the case then I would say it's a thin bench. Otherwise I think 10 is fine. Not ideal, but enough to work with where there shouldn't be much worry about it.

Now, nobody really has 10 they can actually count on. You are looking for 6-8 with a couple extras for practice, fouls, and rest purposes. If you can maintain that you should be good.
 
It's only thin if:

1. You don't have any versatile players.
2. Every player doesn't have a back up because of #1.
3. All 10 can't be counted on to contribute.

If the above is the case then I would say it's a thin bench. Otherwise I think 10 is fine. Not ideal, but enough to work with where there shouldn't be much worry about it.

Now, nobody really has 10 they can actually count on. You are looking for 6-8 with a couple extras for practice, fouls, and rest purposes. If you can maintain that you should be good.

Why do you always comment like you don’t know who is on our roster? Using your criteria, do you think 10 for UT is a thin bench?
 
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Why do you always comment like you don’t know who is on our roster? Using your criteria, do you think 10 for UT is a thin bench?

Perhaps it's a way to remind us just how darn versatile those UConn girls are?

Anyone looking at Tennessee's roster can see that Jaime is the only proven player who can successfully play multiple positions at the Div I level.
 
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Perhaps it's a way to remind us just how darn versatile those UConn girls are?

Anyone looking at Tennessee's roster can see that Jaime is the only proven player who can successfully play multiple positions at the Div I level.

Yea, I agree with your take on Nared. I’m just hoping now maybe Davis or Westbrook will show some versatility. Hope and a prayer?
 
"it's not been very good for a decade"

Our last championship was in that decade. Not good enough for you?

But even if we don't count that season since it was the start of that decade, since then we've had three other seasons of 30 wins or more. Plus three seasons of 27-29 wins. Four SEC tournament championships and 4 regular season championships. Yes, we have not even made it to the Final Four since that last national championship. That's been disappointing. But disappointing and not very good are not necessarily the same thing. And when one looks at our record, it's clearly not.

To say we have not been very good for all of those nine years is showing your true colors: someone who will say anything, no matter how ridiculous, to denigrate the Lady Vol program.


I do one thing--criticize our poor/mediocre coaching PRECISELY because it is COACHING that has HURT THE PROGRAM. You and others seem to think that I should support the coaches when the coaches are the problem. If you walk down the street hand-in-hand with someone every day, and your companion walks you into a big hole in the street every day, you should one day think about finding another person to walk down the street with--not keep making excuses for why your ankle is sprained. We can do a lot better. Indeed, I value the program more than you do because I know what the program could be while you quite clearly are happy to settle.
 
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Why do you always comment like you don’t know who is on our roster? Using your criteria, do you think 10 for UT is a thin bench?

Out of the gate, yes. Purely because of the number of freshman they will have to rely on. However, by mid-season assuming no injuries & typical expected development for all 10 (everyone knowing the plays & schemes & their new teammates tendencies, a few big games under their belt, & upperclassmen still doing what they do best) I would say no.

They have an almost perfect schedule, challenging but balanced, loads of talent, a new offense, no chemistry issues. If someone got injured then I might worry but otherwise I think over the course of the season they can and likely should blossom into a solid team with 6-8 players who are reliable and a few who will do what they can until they "get it". They have exactly what they need to transition to a new style of play. Sometimes a few less players just means more reps for everyone else and that's okay.
 
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I do one thing--criticize our poor/mediocre coaching PRECISELY because it is COACHING that has HURT THE PROGRAM. You and others seem to think that I should support the coaches when the coaches are the problem. If you walk down the street hand-in-hand with someone every day, and your companion walks you into a big hole in the street every day, you should one day think about finding another person to walk down the street with--not keep making excuses for why your ankle is sprained. We can do a lot better. Indeed, I value the program more than you do because I know what the program could be while you quite clearly are happy to settle.


If you incessantly attack the coach,,,,, That is not valuing the program.
It is devaluing it.
I too am tough on CHW, but I consider all of the possible audiences that may be viewing and posting when I post.
The new recruits and their families need to come in with no doubt about support of the fan and the advancement of their game.
I am looking forward to seeing them. (I think that one might even be a starter on day one).
That would be a good thing if they make it work because the other Freshmen would be confident that they will get a look.

I agree totally with you on the expectations thing. (But I don’t really agree with how you zero in on Holly with every post.)
Never, Ever Settle.
“Good enough” is just not good enough.
My expectations for this group is high. If all ten contribute, then ten is plenty to run a season…Injuries notwithstanding.
It’s not just the players though, it is the coaches, the fans and the staff,,,All have to work toward betterment.

The players need to connect off the court; to connect on the court… We saw what dissension does to a team. This doesn’t mean they have to throw roses to each other every time they pass in the hallways…But there better be a wassup or a head-lift-hello, or as their coach I am going to find a way to fix it. . . The one that got physical is now playing elsewhere and the personality that no one seemed to be able to figure out is in another country. . . With their departure, the remaining ten should be on the same page and backing each other. The older players have to take the new blood and mentor them how to play with the big girls programs. This is a culture shock to a lot of kids (big star in HS is now fighting for playing time). So it is up to the Jrs and Srs to show good decisions as they mentor the incomings.

The coaches have to catch dissention off the court so it doesn’t spill out on the court. No special privileges given to anyone that can be avoided. ((In the game you have to have reward players with more PT and praise when they excel, but in practice and off the court, no one gets a privilege that isn’t available to all of the players)). These aren’t just BB players to mom and dad. If they’re under your watch, you have to make sure the parents have full trust in you. Handle things fast like they did with KD, by doing so quickly and successfully you keep it from mushrooming.

We have the making of a dominant team. For them to reach that plateau we have to keep them here. We have to make sure they want to be here and not just playing until they can jump to another team. They wanted to come here, it is up to the staff to keep them wanting to be here.
 
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I do one thing--criticize our poor/mediocre coaching PRECISELY because it is COACHING that has HURT THE PROGRAM. You and others seem to think that I should support the coaches when the coaches are the problem. If you walk down the street hand-in-hand with someone every day, and your companion walks you into a big hole in the street every day, you should one day think about finding another person to walk down the street with--not keep making excuses for why your ankle is sprained. We can do a lot better. Indeed, I value the program more than you do because I know what the program could be while you quite clearly are happy to settle.

Value the program. You call a season that we went 34-3, won the SEC regular season and tournament championships, and were a #1 seed going into the NCAA tournament not very good. And now you say you're just criticizing our bad coaching. That season was the result of bad coaching and it hurt the program, according to you.

It's one thing to criticize Holly for these past two seasons (and no, we haven't been falling into a hole EVERY day). But when you make absurd claims about the past, what's the agenda? You're painting a negative and false picture about the program's past. Why, because you "value" the program?
 
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Out of the gate, yes. Purely because of the number of freshman they will have to rely on. However, by mid-season assuming no injuries & typical expected development for all 10 (everyone knowing the plays & schemes & their new teammates tendencies, a few big games under their belt, & upperclassmen still doing what they do best) I would say no.

They have an almost perfect schedule, challenging but balanced, loads of talent, a new offense, no chemistry issues. If someone got injured then I might worry but otherwise I think over the course of the season they can and likely should blossom into a solid team with 6-8 players who are reliable and a few who will do what they can until they "get it". They have exactly what they need to transition to a new style of play. Sometimes a few less players just means more reps for everyone else and that's okay.

Yes, but us fans who actually want the Vols to succeed have expressed concerns about coaching (which you left off your list of team positives) and player development. We have a history of underutilizing players, and there’s no guarantee that chemistry issues are gone, or won’t reappear. Our team also has a history of the injury bug, so fans who want the Vols to suceed are rightly skeptical that 10 healthy players may not be available come March.

When you support a team, you pay attention to past trends of your program. We don’t assume that the success of one program will be replicated here because we have different personnel, philosophies, etc.

Thanks for your feedback and I’m sure it will be an interesting season.
 
Yes, but us fans who actually want the Vols to succeed have expressed concerns about coaching (which you left off your list of team positives) and player development. We have a history of underutilizing players, and there’s no guarantee that chemistry issues are gone, or won’t reappear. Our team also has a history of the injury bug, so fans who want the Vols to suceed are rightly skeptical that 10 healthy players may not be available come March.

When you support a team, you pay attention to past trends of your program. We don’t assume that the success of one program will be replicated here because we have different personnel, philosophies, etc.

Thanks for your feedback and I’m sure it will be an interesting season.

It's hard for me to weigh in on coaching because there is a lot at play for Warlick & staff. Let's see how she develops as a coach over the next 4 years and how she grooms and builds a team around this recruiting class as they reach their senior year. This particular job came with much higher expectations than any other head coaching job she could have taken. It's not like she didn't know that but it also means sometimes it's just going to be unfair what people expect of you. That being said, she's still a newish Head Coach and when you think about that, she has done pretty good. If she was at a school whos history was far less storied, fans would be much happier. I believe Warlick, Aston, Schaefer, McGuff, & Rueck all took HC jobs around the same time and I believe their results are fairly comparative.

However, pretty good for Vol fans generally isn't good enough and then on top of that some of the performances aren't becoming of the Tennessee brand. I don't think they will be dropping any lower than what they've done the past couple of years. Yes, they have had some silly loses but they have also beaten Top 10 teams. Prior to people leaving I was thinking this was a max of 5 loss at least E8 season. Now I am not so sure about the 5 losses but E8 sounds like a fair expectation. Do you anticipate them to get at least as far as last year?
 
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It's hard for me to weigh in on coaching because there is a lot at play for Warlick & staff. Let's see how she develops as a coach over the next 4 years and how she grooms and builds a team around this recruiting class as they reach their senior year. This particular job came with much higher expectations than any other head coaching job she could have taken. It's not like she didn't know that but it also means sometimes it's just going to be unfair what people expect of you. That being said, she's still a newish Head Coach and when you think about that, she has done pretty good. If she was at a school whos history was far less storied, fans would be much happier. I believe Warlick, Aston, Schaefer, McGuff, & Rueck all took HC jobs around the same time and I believe their results are fairly comparative.

However, pretty good for Vol fans generally isn't good enough and then on top of that some of the performances aren't becoming of the Tennessee brand. I don't think they will be dropping any lower than what they've done the past couple of years. Yes, they have had some silly loses but they have also beaten Top 10 teams. Prior to people leaving I was thinking this was a max of 5 loss at least E8 season. Now I am not so sure about the 5 losses but E8 sounds like a fair expectation. Do you anticipate them to get at least as far as last year?
[/QUOTENuyoika,thank you for your past two posts which have been clear and reasoned. It is astounding that some of our negative posters can elicit this response from a Uconn fan. Again,thank you,your posts are always fair and to the point. And since you are from the Northeastern corridor of the country,Armcheir especially should value your input,as he feels most posters are beneath his lofty status.
 
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Not only is the negativity of some posters unwarranted, it's also mind-numbing in its repetitiveness. Some of these CHW bashers haven't expressed an original thought in years and add nothing new to any thread.
 
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It's hard for me to weigh in on coaching because there is a lot at play for Warlick & staff. Let's see how she develops as a coach over the next 4 years and how she grooms and builds a team around this recruiting class as they reach their senior year. This particular job came with much higher expectations than any other head coaching job she could have taken. It's not like she didn't know that but it also means sometimes it's just going to be unfair what people expect of you. That being said, she's still a newish Head Coach and when you think about that, she has done pretty good. If she was at a school whos history was far less storied, fans would be much happier. I believe Warlick, Aston, Schaefer, McGuff, & Rueck all took HC jobs around the same time and I believe their results are fairly comparative.

However, pretty good for Vol fans generally isn't good enough and then on top of that some of the performances aren't becoming of the Tennessee brand. I don't think they will be dropping any lower than what they've done the past couple of years. Yes, they have had some silly loses but they have also beaten Top 10 teams. Prior to people leaving I was thinking this was a max of 5 loss at least E8 season. Now I am not so sure about the 5 losses but E8 sounds like a fair expectation. Do you anticipate them to get at least as far as last year?

I expect the Lady Vols to play at a level that gives them the opportunity to compete for titles every year. I have no idea how the team will perform this year because there are so many question marks. We lose our leading scorer and our starting backcourt. We only return two full-time starters in Jaime Nared and Mercedes Russell. We bring in the No. 1 recruiting class, four McDonald's All-Americans, which includes two point guards, a forward and a post. Clearly they are talented, but they are still freshmen. So we have no idea how they will perform at the collegiate level or how they will develop along the way. It's a wait and see approach.

Critiques of the head coach have merit. We've set a lot of bad records. No need to get into them. Holly's game management is questionable, at best. She has called timeouts when the Lady Vols were heating up offensively and often failed to call timeouts when the opponent went on a run. She has underutilized players during games when the matchups on paper seemed to favor UT. And the team has consistently struggled offensively against zone defenses. Those are some of the concerns I will have no matter who is on the roster.

However, on a positive note, we bring in a new assistant coach, UT legend Bridgette Gordon. I'm hoping she can instill her well-known pride and work ethic into our ladies. Gordon lead the Lady Vols to our first two titles, so she was a part of Pat finally getting over the hump. She knows what it takes to win. And maybe Bridgette sitting on the sideline will lead to other benefits, as well.

We assume the chemistry will be better with certain players departing, but we bring in four new players, each with her own personality, likes, dislikes, you know how it goes. So it will be interesting. The coaches have said that the chemistry is better, but as a fan, I haven't watched the team play. I have no idea.

Aside from the unknowns, we do know that Nared and Russell made the USA U23 Team this past summer, proving they are among the top collegiate players in the nation. It will be critical for them to lead our freshmen and show them what it takes to play consistently at a high level. Inconsistent play has been a true head-scratcher these past few years.

To describe the upcoming season in one word: NEW. We welcome a new assistant coach and four freshmen, a transfer who sat out rehabbing last year, a sophomore post who saw very few minutes last season, and a senior three-point specialist who battled nagging injuries and seemed to struggle in her role.

New can be good. So I'm going along for the ride. I hope the team avoids the injury bug and improves from November to March. I would like to see the ladies moving the ball on offense and communicating on defense. Those improvements will make me proud, no matter where we finish.
 
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I expect the Lady Vols to play at a level that gives them the opportunity to compete for titles every year. I have no idea how the team will perform this year because there are so many question marks. We lose our leading scorer and our starting backcourt. We only return two full-time starters in Jaime Nared and Mercedes Russell. We bring in the No. 1 recruiting class, four McDonald's All-Americans, which includes two point guards, a forward and a post. Clearly they are talented, but they are still freshmen. So we have no idea how they will perform at the collegiate level or how they will develop along the way. It's a wait and see approach.

Critiques of the head coach have merit. We've set a lot of bad records. No need to get into them. Holly's game management is questionable, at best. She has called timeouts when the Lady Vols were heating up offensively and often failed to call timeouts when the opponent went on a run. She has underutilized players during games when the matchups on paper seemed to favor UT. And the team has consistently struggled offensively against zone defenses. Those are some of the concerns I will have no matter who is on the roster.

However, on a positive note, we bring in a new assistant coach, UT legend Bridgette Gordon. I'm hoping she can instill her well-known pride and work ethic into our ladies. Gordon lead the Lady Vols to our first two titles, so she was a part of Pat finally getting over the hump. She knows what it takes to win. And maybe Bridgette sitting on the sideline will lead to other benefits, as well.

We assume the chemistry will be better with certain players departing, but we bring in four new players, each with her own personality, likes, dislikes, you know how it goes. So it will be interesting. The coaches have said that the chemistry is better, but as a fan, I haven't watched the team play. I have no idea.

Aside from the unknowns, we do know that Nared and Russell made the USA U23 Team this past summer, proving they are among the top collegiate players in the nation. It will be critical for them to lead our freshmen and show them what it takes to play consistently at a high level. Inconsistent play has been a true head-scratcher these past few years.

To describe the upcoming season in one word: NEW. We welcome a new assistant coach and four freshmen, a transfer who sat out rehabbing last year, a sophomore post who saw very few minutes last season, and a senior three-point specialist who battled nagging injuries and seemed to struggle in her role.

New can be good. So I'm going along for the ride. I hope the team avoids the injury bug and improves from November to March. I would like to see the ladies moving the ball on offense and communicating on defense. Those improvements will make me proud, no matter where we finish.

i am very excited to see green because her last yr at a.s.a. college she averg. 17 rebs a game.juco or not she knows what takes get on the boards which we have lacked for last few yrs.i also interested in davis cause have watched her play n other games sides the mcdonalds game n i was impressed-she could but never know have break-out yr.our new center curious just what king bruiser she will be in the paint for us cause again we have lacked old time lady vol physical board play!!lady vols not lately have been best rebounding team in history womens basketball n specially on O boards.im really loookin forward to this season much more than last.course been watching lady vols 35 yrs so im excited when play starts always
 

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