Tesla Motors

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VOLatile said:
Do. Your. Research.

Autos were a pipe dream and only available to the ultra rich when they were first invented. Your reasoning is facking stupid.
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Henry Ford didn't get government subsidies. His reasoning seems pretty sound.
 
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VOLatile said:
Do. Your. Research.

Autos were a pipe dream and only available to the ultra rich when they were first invented. Your reasoning is facking stupid.
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So is yours, they can't build a damn battery that's worth a **** nor do they have an epa compliant way of recycling that's economically sound. Drill here and drill now! We won't even get into the lack of charging stations or the coal fired plants president algae has fought so hard against that are needed to create the electricity needed to charge the cars.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
So is yours, they can't build a damn battery that's worth a **** nor do they have an epa compliant way of recycling that's economically sound. Drill here and drill now! We won't even get into the lack of charging stations or the coal fired plants president algae has fought so hard against that are needed to create the electricity needed to charge the cars.
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300 miles on a charge seems like a decent battery.
 
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YorkVol said:
300 miles on a charge seems like a decent battery.
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There's nothing wrong with the technology-it's just not economically viable. But, it should get better. Maybe they can build them cheap enough one day and make a profit without the subsidy.
 
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YorkVol said:
300 miles on a charge seems like a decent battery.
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Where are they then ? Fossil fuels are still the cheapest and most viable alternative. All im saying is let's exploit our resources and in the meantime we can continue the r&d on electric cars. When it's reliable and affordable more people will be inclined to check it out.
 
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The Tesla has the longest range at 265 miles. But, it's price tag is well over $100,000. Those big batteries are expensive. Without looking him up can anybody tell me who Alexander Tesla was?
 
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Sandvol said:
The Tesla has the longest range at 265 miles. But, it's price tag is well over $100,000. Those big batteries are expensive. Without looking him up can anybody tell me who Alexander Tesla was?
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Do you mean Nikola Tesla?

ETA: I love this image of him sitting under his 'Tesla Coil'.

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Sandvol said:
Yes. Nikolai Tesla. What did he do?
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Yes, I guess you already looked it up since you have the cartoon. But, wasn't he the one and Westinghouse who developed AC? And, Edison was DC? Which I find ironic since electric vehicles are DC.
 
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Sandvol said:
Yes, I guess you already looked it up since you have the cartoon. But, wasn't he the one and Westinghouse who developed AC? And, Edison was DC? Which I find ironic since electric vehicles are DC.
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I am not a Nikola Tesla expert by any stretch, but I did know he developed AC and that he was a genius with multiple inventions. I also knew about the Tesla Coil - that's an actual old photo of him sitting under the coil.

I personally think Musk is a genius, but he can't touch that of Nikola Tesla.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Where are they then ? Fossil fuels are still the cheapest and most viable alternative. All im saying is let's exploit our resources and in the meantime we can continue the r&d on electric cars. When it's reliable and affordable more people will be inclined to check it out.
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there's got to be a start somewhere in the commercial world. what's wrong with the rich buying up cars that are only going to get better? let them be on the free market, despite any subsidies they aren't going to make enough if their cars don't work. having the option will help drive the R&D.
 
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Sandvol said:
The Tesla has the longest range at 265 miles. But, it's price tag is well over $100,000. Those big batteries are expensive. Without looking him up can anybody tell me who Alexander Tesla was?
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Tesla Confirms Nevada to Get Battery Factory - WSJ

New battery factory in Nevada will reduce the price of the batteries by 30% and they'll be 100% made right there in Nevada.

Oil companies are heavily subsidized, too.

"Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk said the proposed battery factory "is critical to our efforts to deliver our mass-market car," the forthcoming Model 3, which would start at $35,000 and travel 200 miles on an electric charge."
 
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LouderVol said:
there's got to be a start somewhere in the commercial world. what's wrong with the rich buying up cars that are only going to get better? let them be on the free market, despite any subsidies they aren't going to make enough if their cars don't work. having the option will help drive the R&D.
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Yes, and we should remember that these are damn good vehicles. Extremely high customer satisfaction and ratings by third parties like Consumer Reports.

It also doesn't hurt to see another US company as a global leader in a product/technology. Musk is doing all he can to position Tesla for sustained success and increased market share.
 
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gcbvol said:
Yes, and we should remember that these are damn good vehicles. Extremely high customer satisfaction and ratings by third parties like Consumer Reports.

It also doesn't hurt to see another US company as a global leader in a product/technology. Musk is doing all he can to position Tesla for sustained success and increased market share.
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Musk's comments on AI at MIT the other day have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not buying that it's dangerous, but that's a discussion for another thread.
 
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VOLatile said:
Musk's comments on AI at MIT the other day have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not buying that it's dangerous, but that's a discussion for another thread.
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He's made a few comments regarding danger of AI over the past 1-2 years. It does seem odd, especially from a guy like Musk. It makes me think he's maybe aware of something most of us are not. He's a very smart guy who is certainly not technology averse, so I hope he clarifies what he is talking about in more specific terms; just doesn't make much sense.
 
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VOLatile said:
Tesla Confirms Nevada to Get Battery Factory - WSJ

New battery factory in Nevada will reduce the price of the batteries by 30% and they'll be 100% made right there in Nevada.

Oil companies are heavily subsidized, too.

"Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk said the proposed battery factory "is critical to our efforts to deliver our mass-market car," the forthcoming Model 3, which would start at $35,000 and travel 200 miles on an electric charge."
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Hopefully it's not affiliated with Barry's battery's of Detroit, I don't think they ever built one damn battery. More green energy bs waste compliments of the obama administration.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Hopefully it's not affiliated with Barry's battery's of Detroit, I don't think they ever built one damn battery. More green energy bs waste compliments of the obama administration.
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Jesus Christ, you really have a stick stuck up your arse, don't you?
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Chump change to this guy , how soon they forget.
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Really isn't relevant to the discussion at hand. Tesla isn't some "fake" green company, they're real and have real potential to create an affordable car using an alternative energy source than gasoline or diesel fuel.

I get that you won't be alive when the world runs out of oil and that you deny climate change exacerbated by humans, but your children and my children will be alive to see the effects of this. The sooner we solve these problems, the better.
 
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VOLatile said:
The military spent $70-billion developing the F-22. Do you see me complaining about the massive amount of wasteful spending in the military?
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There is a difference spending money developing military hardware which is constitutionally mandated and giving taxpayer dollars to subsidize private companies. Unless, you can make a case that Tesla has direct military potential.
 
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Sandvol said:
There is a difference spending money developing military hardware which is constitutionally mandated and giving taxpayer dollars to subsidize private companies. Unless, you can make a case that Tesla has direct military potential.
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A new, badass plane is mandatory when our planes were already the best in the world? Okay... Justify the wasteful military spending any way you can.
 
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VOLatile said:
A new, badass plane is mandatory when our planes were already the best in the world? Okay... Justify the wasteful military spending any way you can.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you but provide for the common defense is constitutionally mandated. It doesn't say only efficient, common sense defense be provided.
 
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