Texas A&M to name Mark Stoops new head coach? Nope

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volfanhill said:
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Purely speculation on my part. I think he will stand a better chance of retaining some of the talent A&M currently has, as compared to Stoops. His familiarity with them should also help. There's no way to really know of course. It will be interesting if he retains any of the current staff, or if he brings some of his guys from Duke (Johns).
 
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A&M is just a short term gig. Elko could be a big fish at Duke, or a man on borrwed time at A&M soon as he walks in the door. A&M couldn't shake the 'lil brother syndrome when they broke conference from Texas, and now they are back together. A&M had their chance to elevate beyond a Miss State style team for a few years and couldn't do it. And Sark already has Texas way beyond A&M. If a blue chip wants to play in Texas and the SEC, Longhorns will have first choice.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
He has sucked against UT and the 2 times he's beaten them, they were the worst UT teams in modern history (and one of them he barely did).
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I understand the losses in the early years. He inherited a roster that had ZERO NFL talent. But when I finally got his dudes, the gap closed. The record should be better, but 3 out of the last 5 were one-score games, and 2 were blowouts, one won by each team.
 
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I don't understand how big programs just fire coaches without a backup plan (i.e. a coach prepared to take their spot). Literally, start scanning the field before firing someone to see who is biting.
 
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I just wonder how Stoops is going to spin this to the players and fans that he was looking to bolt, and the deal went sideways.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
I believe he probably was bombarded with tweets sayings stay we dont want you. Message boards and tweets from Texas A&M fans were all over. No way they kept them to themselves.
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Stoops longevity in coaching will be better at Kentucky imo. TAM would’ve ate him up if he struggled.
 
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GVF said:
A&M is just a short term gig. Elko could be a big fish at Duke, or a man on borrwed time at A&M soon as he walks in the door. A&M couldn't shake the 'lil brother syndrome when they broke conference from Texas, and now they are back together. A&M had their chance to elevate beyond a Miss State style team for a few years and couldn't do it. And Sark already has Texas way beyond A&M. If a blue chip wants to play in Texas and the SEC, Longhorns will have first choice.
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Elko is a good hire for A&M...and he will turn A&M's sinking ship around quickly. I don't think he'll be on borrowed time at A&M. He did a great job as DC for four years at A&M...and when he left for Duke, almost everyone knew A&M had lost a solid, class act guy that got the best out of his players.

As far as the 'lil brother syndrome,' I believe A&M shook that when they joined the SEC 12 years ago. UT never thought A&M would leave the Big 12, but after starting the Longhorn Network, and televising high school football games featuring recruits they were after, A&M had had enough. Just the fact that UT is following A&M 12 years later is a testament that A&M was right.

In my opinion, Elko will repair the damage Jimbo had incurred in Texas recruiting. The truth is coming out...Jimbo wasn't liked by many Texas high school football coaches. I guess that's why Jimbo went out of his way to recruit nationally...something A&M had not done to that degree in the past. And to his credit, Jimbo could recruit.

I will make this prediction about UT...it won't take long for SEC fans to realize they have the most pompous and arrogant fanbase around. Though it will never be publicized, I also believe the SEC will regret the day they agreed to bring them in. Texas is all about themselves...they've been that way for decades. They will try to be the Big Brother in the SEC, just like they did in the SWC and the Big 12. One of the things I admire about the SEC is the unity of the conference members. Compete on the field, but in the end, the strength of the SEC is their members acting as one. That will be something Texas isn't used to, and it will be painfully obvious for the rest of the conference.
 
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ToddyHill said:
Elko is a good hire for A&M...and he will turn A&M's sinking ship around quickly. I don't think he'll be on borrowed time at A&M. He did a great job as DC for four years at A&M...and when he left for Duke, almost everyone knew A&M had lost a solid, class act guy that got the best out of his players.

As far as the 'lil brother syndrome,' I believe A&M shook that when they joined the SEC 12 years ago. Texas never thought A&M would leave the Big 12, but after starting the Longhorn Network, and televising high school football games featuring recruits they were after, A&M had had enough. Just the fact that Texas is following A&M 12 years later is a testament that A&M was right.

In my opinion, Elko will repair the damage Jimbo had incurred in Texas recruiting. The truth is coming out...Jimbo wasn't liked by many Texas high school football coaches. I guess that's why Jimbo went out of his way to recruit nationally...something A&M had not done to that degree in the past. And to his credit, Jimbo could recruit.

I will make this prediction about Texas...it won't take long for SEC fans to realize they have the most pompous and arrogant fanbase around. Though it will never be publicized, I also believe the SEC will regret the day they agreed to bring them in. Texas is all about themselves...they've been that way for decades. They will try to be the Big Brother in the SEC, just like they did in the SWC and the Big 12. One of the things I admire about the SEC is the unity of the conference members. Compete on the field, but in the end, the strength of the SEC is their members acting as one. That will be something Texas isn't used to, and it will be painfully obvious for the rest of the conference.
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Good post, but had to fix a couple of the bolded words. There’s only one UT in the SEC.
 
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ToddyHill said:
Elko is a good hire for A&M...and he will turn A&M's sinking ship around quickly. I don't think he'll be on borrowed time at A&M. He did a great job as DC for four years at A&M...and when he left for Duke, almost everyone knew A&M had lost a solid, class act guy that got the best out of his players.

As far as the 'lil brother syndrome,' I believe A&M shook that when they joined the SEC 12 years ago. UT never thought A&M would leave the Big 12, but after starting the Longhorn Network, and televising high school football games featuring recruits they were after, A&M had had enough. Just the fact that UT is following A&M 12 years later is a testament that A&M was right.

In my opinion, Elko will repair the damage Jimbo had incurred in Texas recruiting. The truth is coming out...Jimbo wasn't liked by many Texas high school football coaches. I guess that's why Jimbo went out of his way to recruit nationally...something A&M had not done to that degree in the past. And to his credit, Jimbo could recruit.

I will make this prediction about UT...it won't take long for SEC fans to realize they have the most pompous and arrogant fanbase around. Though it will never be publicized, I also believe the SEC will regret the day they agreed to bring them in. Texas is all about themselves...they've been that way for decades. They will try to be the Big Brother in the SEC, just like they did in the SWC and the Big 12. One of the things I admire about the SEC is the unity of the conference members. Compete on the field, but in the end, the strength of the SEC is their members acting as one. That will be something Texas isn't used to, and it will be painfully obvious for the rest of the conference.
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TX is going to have to go a long, LONG way around here before they pass GA as the most obnoxious fans in the SEC. If they 3-peat, and I think they will, GA fans will be an almost instant "I need to throat punch this guy" obnoxious.

As aTm noticed, the SEC doesn't care how much money you throw around if you don't win. TX and OU will learn the same.
 
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ToddyHill said:
Elko is a good hire for A&M...and he will turn A&M's sinking ship around quickly. I don't think he'll be on borrowed time at A&M. He did a great job as DC for four years at A&M...and when he left for Duke, almost everyone knew A&M had lost a solid, class act guy that got the best out of his players.

As far as the 'lil brother syndrome,' I believe A&M shook that when they joined the SEC 12 years ago. UT never thought A&M would leave the Big 12, but after starting the Longhorn Network, and televising high school football games featuring recruits they were after, A&M had had enough. Just the fact that UT is following A&M 12 years later is a testament that A&M was right.

In my opinion, Elko will repair the damage Jimbo had incurred in Texas recruiting. The truth is coming out...Jimbo wasn't liked by many Texas high school football coaches. I guess that's why Jimbo went out of his way to recruit nationally...something A&M had not done to that degree in the past. And to his credit, Jimbo could recruit.

I will make this prediction about UT...it won't take long for SEC fans to realize they have the most pompous and arrogant fanbase around. Though it will never be publicized, I also believe the SEC will regret the day they agreed to bring them in. Texas is all about themselves...they've been that way for decades. They will try to be the Big Brother in the SEC, just like they did in the SWC and the Big 12. One of the things I admire about the SEC is the unity of the conference members. Compete on the field, but in the end, the strength of the SEC is their members acting as one. That will be something Texas isn't used to, and it will be painfully obvious for the rest of the conference.
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Yeah that seems to be his huckleberry there. Not sure why he took that road with the HS ranks.

Elko has proven himself to be solid all the way around. Very good hire for anyone. Hope it works out for him there.
 
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ToddyHill said:
Elko is a good hire for A&M...and he will turn A&M's sinking ship around quickly. I don't think he'll be on borrowed time at A&M. He did a great job as DC for four years at A&M...and when he left for Duke, almost everyone knew A&M had lost a solid, class act guy that got the best out of his players.

As far as the 'lil brother syndrome,' I believe A&M shook that when they joined the SEC 12 years ago. UT never thought A&M would leave the Big 12, but after starting the Longhorn Network, and televising high school football games featuring recruits they were after, A&M had had enough. Just the fact that UT is following A&M 12 years later is a testament that A&M was right.

In my opinion, Elko will repair the damage Jimbo had incurred in Texas recruiting. The truth is coming out...Jimbo wasn't liked by many Texas high school football coaches. I guess that's why Jimbo went out of his way to recruit nationally...something A&M had not done to that degree in the past. And to his credit, Jimbo could recruit.

I will make this prediction about UT...it won't take long for SEC fans to realize they have the most pompous and arrogant fanbase around. Though it will never be publicized, I also believe the SEC will regret the day they agreed to bring them in. Texas is all about themselves...they've been that way for decades. They will try to be the Big Brother in the SEC, just like they did in the SWC and the Big 12. One of the things I admire about the SEC is the unity of the conference members. Compete on the field, but in the end, the strength of the SEC is their members acting as one. That will be something Texas isn't used to, and it will be painfully obvious for the rest of the conference.
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And there's alot of weight swinging around for them to get educated by the likes of Bama, Auburn, UT, UGA, UM, etc. THe SEC is not a 2-team show. I'm curious as to the agreement on the LHN as they migrate to the conference.
 
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GVF said:
And there's alot of weight swinging around for them to get educated by the likes of Bama, Auburn, UT, UGA, UM, etc. THe SEC is not a 2-team show. I'm curious as to the agreement on the LHN as they migrate to the conference.
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The SEC demanded that Texas drop the Longhorn Network, which will occur prior to their entry into the SEC. The Big 12 Commissioner let Texas move forward with the Longhorn Network, but by the second year, put stipulations on what they could broadcast. For example, the Friday night high school football telecasts were terminated. A&M pointed out to the Big 12 that Texas would routinely broadcast games where the teams had losing records, but those teams also had players Texas was recruiting. This was a few months after Mike Slive reached out to A&M about joining the SEC. However, A&M president Bowen Loftin opted to stay in the Big 12. A year later, after the Longhorn Network started their Friday night high school football, Loftin called Slive and asked him if the offer was still on the table. Slive said the offer was still there, and A&M left the Big 12 for the SEC.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Good post, but had to fix a couple of the bolded words. There’s only one UT in the SEC.
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My bad. I know better, given two of my daughters graduated from the real UT. For what it's worth, Aggies don't refer to the University of Texas as UT...it's tu.
 
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McCat said:
I understand the losses in the early years. He inherited a roster that had ZERO NFL talent. But when I finally got his dudes, the gap closed. The record should be better, but 3 out of the last 5 were one-score games, and 2 were blowouts, one won by each team.
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As with if Florida loses to us their HC isn’t the guy? Same applies to us and your program. We lose to Kentucky and the wrong guy’s in charge
 
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Wonder what internal fallout becomes of this? Have to think the current admin/players have to feel a certain way about all of the smoke that he had already told people he was leaving.
 
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ToddyHill said:
Elko is a good hire for A&M...and he will turn A&M's sinking ship around quickly. I don't think he'll be on borrowed time at A&M. He did a great job as DC for four years at A&M...and when he left for Duke, almost everyone knew A&M had lost a solid, class act guy that got the best out of his players.

As far as the 'lil brother syndrome,' I believe A&M shook that when they joined the SEC 12 years ago. UT never thought A&M would leave the Big 12, but after starting the Longhorn Network, and televising high school football games featuring recruits they were after, A&M had had enough. Just the fact that UT is following A&M 12 years later is a testament that A&M was right.

In my opinion, Elko will repair the damage Jimbo had incurred in Texas recruiting. The truth is coming out...Jimbo wasn't liked by many Texas high school football coaches. I guess that's why Jimbo went out of his way to recruit nationally...something A&M had not done to that degree in the past. And to his credit, Jimbo could recruit.

I will make this prediction about UT...it won't take long for SEC fans to realize they have the most pompous and arrogant fanbase around. Though it will never be publicized, I also believe the SEC will regret the day they agreed to bring them in. Texas is all about themselves...they've been that way for decades. They will try to be the Big Brother in the SEC, just like they did in the SWC and the Big 12. One of the things I admire about the SEC is the unity of the conference members. Compete on the field, but in the end, the strength of the SEC is their members acting as one. That will be something Texas isn't used to, and it will be painfully obvious for the rest of the conference.
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Texas was big brother in the SWC and the Big 12 because there was no one else but Oklahoma to even come close to their level. I guess Nebraska in its hay day. After those two schools the next largest stadium in the Big 12 would be the second smallest in the SEC, with only Vandy being smaller. There is a reason we say it just means more.

they aren't walking into the SEC as the big dogs. UGA, Bama, LSU, Auburn, Florida all have more recent national titles than Texas. Besides Oklahoma, who is joining the SEC, I don't know who left in the Big 12 has a national title after WW2.

They aren't walking into a conference made up by more Texas schools than anywhere else, so their political clout is going to go very far either. and the longhorn network won't be an issue.

They are going to find out quickly that there is a big difference in having to show up for 1 or 2 big games a year, vs having to show up for 6 games a year. heck their one loss in the Big 12 is coming with them to the SEC.

if you believe in the recruiting values: Texas will go from the most talented team in the conference, to the 4th most talented. Oklahoma will go from being the second most talented, to the 6th. That is a HUGE shift in talent they are walking into. the 7th most talented team in the SEC would be the 3rd ranked team in the Big 12. the SEC's 13th most talented team, Arkansas, would be the 4th most talented team in the Big 12. and remember Texas has never played against the most talented team in the Big 12, and struggle with the second most talented team, and they are walking into a situation where they wouldn't be favored to win either of the two divisions that are going away. If you look at Texas's competition in the Big 12 their average would be barely more talented than Vandy, the average ranking for the SEC: 20th, the average ranking for the Big 12 45th. it really can not be under stated how big the shift in talent will be for Texas and Oklahoma coming into the SEC.

if you don't believe in recruiting rankings and just look at on the field rankings, its not much better, SEC averages #41, and the Big 12 averages #52. and you have some similar break downs, our 13th team in the rankings would be #10 in the Big 12. Texas would be our 2nd best team, Oklahoma #2, our 4th, Oklahoma State, #3, would be our 6th, and thats without assuming either Texas or Oklahoma is in. and it just gets worse from there before averaging out closer at the bottom with Vandy as the worst of the bunch. Meaning we beat the heck out of more talented teams and make them worse than their talent suggests, the Big 12 does too, but to a far far lesser extent. which at least suggests that Texas's talent advantage is going to get lose some oomph in the SEC.

I can see both of them winning a big game, but I can also see them both losing 2 games they "shouldn't". I don't see either Texas or Oklahoma even making it to the SEC Championship game for several years, and with no hard divisions, I don't see either making it reliably.
 
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Texas was big brother in the SWC and the Big 12 because there was no one else but Oklahoma to even come close to their level.
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Oklahoma was never a member of the SWC...they were in the Big 8.

In the six years I was at A&M (B.S. & M.S. degrees), A&M won four games and lost two to Texas. From 1984 to 1994 (11 games), A&M won ten, only losing in 1990.

There's no doubt over the life of the SWC, Texas was the dominant team. But by the end of the SWC, Texas had lost much of its luster.
 
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