Texas Democrats Walk Out

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AshG said:
Haven't Republicans done this too in the past?

The difference between cowardice and bravery is often found in the angle one is viewing the situation from.

And before I get dogpiled, I don't agree with the maneuver. If they feel the bill is unjust there are other better ways to go about the process of dissent.
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The TX GOP actually worked across the aisle and retooled the bill. It’s tamer than when it was introduced. But the Dems didn’t get everything they demanded so they are taking their ball and going home. If they want to push their agenda then they need to win the state house. That’s it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
This. Who's funding the hotels and expenses in DC as well.

@hog88 they absolutely should be arrested and I hope Texas isn't paying them during this time either.
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You can bet your a$$ they're getting paid. You'd need to have a real opposition party to go after them like that. The current republican party is not that.
 
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LouderVol said:
Are they required by law to be present to form a quorum under the threat of jail time/arrest?
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That is my belief yes. The Governor is within his rights as empowered by our state law to arrest them for this. But… that power stops at the state line.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The TX GOP actually worked across the aisle and retooled the bill. It’s tamer than when it was introduced. But the Dems didn’t get everything they demanded so they are taking their ball and going home. If they want to push their agenda then they need to win the state house. That’s it.
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Right. Elections have consequences. If the vast majority of Texans are in favor of election fraud, they should campaign on that and take control of the state.
 
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AshG said:
Haven't Republicans done this too in the past?

The difference between cowardice and bravery is often found in the angle one is viewing the situation from.

And before I get dogpiled, I don't agree with the maneuver. If they feel the bill is unjust there are other better ways to go about the process of dissent.
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I didn't think the Rs in WI should have been threatened with arrest either.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
That is my belief yes. The Governor is within his rights as empowered by our state law to arrest them for this. But… that power stops at the state line.
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I have seen that he can call for it, it was the LT Gov in this case. But still not seeing consquences of refusal.
 
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Grand Vol said:
This. Who's funding the hotels and expenses in DC as well.

@hog88 they absolutely should be arrested and I hope Texas isn't paying them during this time either.
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Agreed that their pay and benefits should be suspended but disagree with arresting them.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The TX GOP actually worked across the aisle and retooled the bill. It’s tamer than when it was introduced. But the Dems didn’t get everything they demanded so they are taking their ball and going home. If they want to push their agenda then they need to win the state house. That’s it.
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Don't know the specifics here and really don't care, but typically when one side does this it isn't because they didn't get EVERYTHING, it is usually a couple of sticking points that they viewed as non-negotiable. These things get derailed all the time because of very specific things.
 
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LouderVol said:
I see a definition of quorum, but not a penalty for refusal of forming a quorum, or even a requirement for it.

GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551. OPEN MEETINGS

Anyone know where I can find the statues that require it?
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I think the power actually resides with the Speaker of the House, louder. The speaker can empower the sergeant at arms to “fetch” them. I don’t know if fetching extends to actual arrest or to just detaining.

Regardless the difference is moot as there would be no prosecution. The remedy is to just get them to do their damn jobs and be in session when the House is in session.

Right now we are in an emergency session as the Dems have stone walled legislation this whole term. And Abbott will continue to call emergency sessions until the agenda items are cleared, he has stated he would do so and this session is a result of that threat so he followed thru.
 
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hog88 said:
Agreed that their pay and benefits should be suspended but disagree with arresting them.
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Well, it's their job. They can't be fired until election time, what else can be done? Best case scenario is that they be arrested and made pay a substantial fine. The rules should be changed, if they don't show up any bill proposed by those that do, should pass.
 
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rjd970 said:
Don't know the specifics here and really don't care, but typically when one side does this it isn't because they didn't get EVERYTHING, it is usually a couple of sticking points that they viewed as non-negotiable. These things get derailed all the time because of very specific things.
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This hasn’t happened since 2003 when they didn’t get what they wanted and fled to NM.
 
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LouderVol said:
I have seen that he can call for it, it was the LT Gov in this case. But still not seeing consquences of refusal.
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Check my current reply to you. There won’t be a prosecution. It’s splitting semantics on detention vs arrest. And the power is with the speaker.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Well, it's their job. They can't be fired until election time, what else can be done? Best case scenario is that they be arrested and made pay a substantial fine. The rules should be changed, if they don't show up any bill proposed by those that do, should pass.
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As Bham correctly pointed out, arresting them would make them martyrs. Just run ads pointing out how much money they are costing the taxpayers, tie them to the moneymen that provided the jets and are funding it. Point out that they ran to their mother-church in DC for instructions and are not representing their TX constituents.
 
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Velo Vol said:
It's the only way this turns into a political winner for the Democrats.
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I disagree. The dem base wants them to obstruct, that's what they're doing. Actual opposition republicans would have them arrested and jailed. Independent voters that actually work for a living will realize that they are wasting their tax dollars and care less either way.
 
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So….let me see if I understand Dimocrat “logic”….using the filibuster to prevent a vote you would lose is a white supremacy based threat to democracy while leaving the state to prevent a vote you would lose is a noble and brave act to preserve democracy? Can someone on the left please explain this to me?
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NorthDallas40 said:
I think the power actually resides with the Speaker of the House, louder. The speaker can empower the sergeant at arms to “fetch” them. I don’t know if fetching extends to actual arrest or to just detaining.

Regardless the difference is moot as there would be no prosecution. The remedy is to just get them to do their damn jobs and be in session when the House is in session.

Right now we are in an emergency session as the Dems have stone walled legislation this whole term. And Abbott will continue to call emergency sessions until the agenda items are cleared, he has stated he would do so and this session is a result of that threat so he followed thru.
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Interesting that each house can set it's own punishments. Although there is a ban on arrest while during the session of the legislature. Not sure if them fleeing still qualifies as being in session or not. Otherwise they arent in breach of the peace, a felony, or treason, as I see things.
THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 3. LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT
 
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hog88 said:
As Bham correctly pointed out, arresting them would make them martyrs. Just run ads pointing out how much money they are costing the taxpayers, tie them to the moneymen that provided the jets and are funding it. Point out that they ran to their mother-church in DC for instructions and are not representing their TX constituents.
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No way they become martyrs in anyway shape or form to TX voters. They are already martyrs to their base and that's never going to change. People in TX are actually a bright group when compared to your everyday American.
 
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LouderVol said:
Interesting that each house can set it's own punishments. Although there is a ban on arrest while during the session of the legislature. Not sure if them fleeing still qualifies as being in session or not. Otherwise they arent in breach of the peace, a felony, or treason, as I see things.
THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 3. LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT
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From what I understand all that is required is they be physically present. Thus if the sergeant at arms detains them and sits their asses in the chamber the quorum rule is met I believe. They are free to sit there and pout or suck on their thumbs if they don’t want to engage in debate and do their damn jobs.
 
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LouderVol said:
Interesting that each house can set it's own punishments. Although there is a ban on arrest while during the session of the legislature. Not sure if them fleeing still qualifies as being in session or not. Otherwise they arent in breach of the peace, a felony, or treason, as I see things.
THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 3. LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT
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They won't be arrested. This has happened before in Texas and it will continue to happen.
 
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