Texas Immigration Bills

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Would Spanglish be considered okay because it's a dialect like ebonics (mixture of Creole and English, as I understand it).
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VOLatile said:
Some of them are pretty silly...

Texas immigration bill has big exception - CNN.com

One would allow only maids, gardeners, and landscapers to stay, everyone else gets deported and their employers go to jail for up to 2 years. Why the exception??

Another allows for racial profiling by requiring cops to ask a person's citizenship status. I highly doubt a cop will ask a white person for their status.

Another would make English the official language of Texas.

One that seems reasonable is an 8% surcharge on money wired from Texas to Latin America.
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English being the state language ruffles your feathers the wrong way?
 
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azVolFan said:
Cop - "License, registration, proof of insurance?"

Driver - "Ah no." [With thick foreign accent] (notice I didn't say lacking white skin)

Cop - "You have no papers?"

Driver - "Ah no."

In your world this guy would just be let go. No license, no registration, no insurance. Who cares? He causes an accident on the way home and the other driver is left footing the bill (I've see it, I've been there).

In my world, this guy is arrested and his identification is determined, his "right" to drive a car is determined. He is held without bond (because his home address is not known and is a flight risk). I don't know what "punishment" I would give but one thing is for sure...there is no way this guy ever becomes a citizen.
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This is how I feel about immigration. I'm asking you because I respect your post and you are from a hot bed city for this topic.

I am all for allowing the illegal immigrants who are already in this country working and have had a job the last 6 months and have no criminal background record to stay in American and become citizens. I feel every other illegal needs to be kicked out. What's your opinion?
 
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NEOCON said:
This is how I feel about immigration. I'm asking you because I respect your post and you are from a hot bed city for this topic.

I am all for allowing the illegal immigrants who are already in this country working and have had a job the last 6 months and have no criminal background record to stay in American and become citizens. I feel every other illegal needs to be kicked out. What's your opinion?
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IhateBuckeyes -

I agree. Sometimes you should obey the law. Other times not, but have a good reason. Like greed.
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Tenacious D said:
I agree. Sometimes you should obey the law. Other times not, but have a good reason. Like greed.
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Yep, those darn greedy Mexicans with their highfalutin dreams of feeding their families through the luxury of hard labor.
 
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therealUT said:
Yep, those darn greedy Mexicans with their highfalutin dreams of feeding their families through the luxury of hard labor.
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I have no problem with anyone who wants to come to this country, work hard, and become part of the American society.

What's your stance on who should be allowed to stay and who shouldn't though?
 
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All the Mexicans that do installation work for me are legal.
I get twice the work per hour from them as I do the white and black American workers. I pay the Mexicans more and it pisses the others off, but not enough to match the work output.
The ONLY problem with the Mexicans is that they always need a dang ride to the job site.
 
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NEOCON said:
I have no problem with anyone who wants to come to this country, work hard, and become part of the American society.

What's your stance on who should be allowed to stay and who shouldn't though?
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Sans those who have committed a felony in the US, all of them should be allowed to stay.

Our immigration policy is incredibly hypocritical and most of it is comes from pairing a protectionist American workforce mentality with remnants from a racist past.

If people want to come to America and work, let them. Let them take jobs at less than the minimum wage (in fact, get rid of the minimum wage). If that was our policy, we could set up more points of entry and simply document who comes and goes from America.

Also, by allowing immigrants to come and work (without Visas since that is a bureaucratic nightmare), the workers would also bring their families and keep their income circulating in the US economy.
 
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VOLatile said:
Notice it doesn't say anything about being pulled over or a crime being committed first? I'm not sure if it's stated so in the bill, but it would have to be. And you definitely are wrong about my interpretation there.
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I was in a car following a friend who rear-ended an illegal making an illegal u-turn. She had no license and no insurance. My friend (luckily) had uninsured motorist insurance so his insurance took care of the damages. I'm not sure that she got the car back but the cops let her go. These kinds of immigration laws would allow the cops to detain her.

My insurance agent (who is Hispanic) told me that illegals cause our insurance rates in AZ to be about twice as high as they would be otherwise?

Maybe LG can tell us what kind of fine we would have to pay for causing an accident without a license or insurance?
 
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azVolFan said:
He wasn't cited. You arrogant *****.
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azVolFan said:
Rational though my ***. ****.
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These are good.

Fact is that in 99% of rear-end cases, the person who rear-ends the other vehicle is at fault, regardless of the consequences. The other 1% basically includes rear-ending a car after being hit by another vehicle.

Had the other driver been a citizen with insurance and a valid license, your friend would have been paying the damages.

The cop probably decided not to cite your friend as a courtesy, in light of the special circumstances.

Thanks for the denigration.
 
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therealUT said:
These are good.

Fact is that in 99% of rear-end cases, the person who rear-ends the other vehicle is at fault, regardless of the consequences. The other 1% basically includes rear-ending a car after being hit by another vehicle.

Had the other driver been a citizen with insurance and a valid license, your friend would have been paying the damages.

The cop probably decided not to cite your friend as a courtesy, in light of the special circumstances.

Thanks for the denigration.
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The spot the accident happened at is very susceptible to this kind of accident and the cops happened to watch it happen. There are all kinds of warnings NOT to attempt a u-turn. What more do you want?

How about asking "Why was you friend not at fault?"

Instead you've now assumed it was racist cops.

My wife has gotten hit twice by illegals and she paid the damages. What happened to the illegal that hit her? Nothing.

There are real reasons for these laws.
 
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azVolFan said:
The spot the accident happened at is very susceptible to this kind of accident and the cops happened to watch it happen. There are all kinds of warnings NOT to attempt a u-turn. What more do you want?

How about asking "Why was you friend not at fault?"

Instead you've now assumed it was racist cops.

My wife has gotten hit twice by illegals and she paid the damages. What happened to the illegal that hit her? Nothing.

There are real reasons for these laws.
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There are also real reasons for laws regarding "following too closely". I would imagine this was covered on your driver's exam.

Your friend was lucky he/she rear-ended an illegal alien. Saved him/her money.
 
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The part you are over-looking about his post is how many times he's been hit by an illegal. At my Columbus agency about 38% of all claims are involving an illegals. At my dowtown Nashville location the number is 29% and gaining.

Those are not good odds. It is costing the insurance companies 100 of millions which in turn gets thrown back onto the good drivers rates. Why you think UMPD/UMBI is going up so fast year after year?
 
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therealUT said:
There are also real reasons for laws regarding "illegally crossing the border". I would imagine this was covered on your driver's exam.

Your friend was lucky he/she rear-ended an illegal alien. Saved him/her money.
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fyp
 
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It didn't save his Insurance company though. They had to eat the bill. They also can't go after the illegal because the person will ust leave or not pay. Hard to place a judgement on a person with no bank account.
 
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NEOCON said:
It didn't save his Insurance company though. They had to eat the bill. They also can't go after the illegal because the person will ust leave or not pay. Hard to place a judgement on a person with no bank account.
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It did not save the insurance company because the cop should have cited the friend for rear-ending the illegal. It's not the illegals fault that the cop decided to give the friend a break.
 
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the cop could have called ICE if he wanted to deal with it. Just because he didn't doesn't mean it was not an option
 
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NEOCON said:
The part you are over-looking about his post is how many times he's been hit by an illegal. At my Columbus agency about 38% of all claims are involving an illegals. At my dowtown Nashville location the number is 29% and gaining.

Those are not good odds. It is costing the insurance companies 100 of millions which in turn gets thrown back onto the good drivers rates. Why you think UMPD/UMBI is going up so fast year after year?
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He has never been hit by an illegal. His friend hit one and his wife has, by his account, been hit twice.
 
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therealUT said:
Please, convince me why it is wrong for someone to cross an invisible line, take a job that is offered to them, and work to feed their family?
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You think thats what all of them do? Please be honest.

There is a reason why we have the law.

Do you think its wrong for a Russian to wait 10 years while going through the process to get here legally?
 
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