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#52
"always" and "can't compete every year" were the comments that stood out.
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TXVOL07 said:
"always" and "can't compete every year" were the comments that stood out.
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You certainly have your years, but you can't deny that the rivalry has been incredibly one sided, and that Texas has a far better history than A&M. I'm just wondering why it's such a big gap.
 
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tvolsfan said:
You certainly have your years, but you can't deny that the rivalry has been incredibly one sided, and that Texas has a far better history than A&M. I'm just wondering why it's such a big gap.
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I told you already, $. I'm not being a smartass, I'm being honest. They have great facilities, excellent boosters, they're nationally recognized, and back in the day they got a lot of it by spending more of it on, well, ya know, players. It's all traced back to the $.
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aTm has a great traditon...that would fit well with the sec. And I have a ton of aTm friends. I'm pulling for aTm and FSU in the SEC.
 
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I don't want the SEC to add anybody. If they go to 14 teams, that means six division games and only two against the other division, so they'd almost certainly dump the game against the permanent opponent. Which means we lose the Alabama game. Adding freaking A&M isn't worth losing the Alabama game.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I don't want the SEC to add anybody. If they go to 14 teams, that means six division games and only two against the other division, so they'd almost certainly dump the game against the permanent opponent. Which means we lose the Alabama game. Adding freaking A&M isn't worth losing the Alabama game.
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No doubt, but maybe it would be a 9 game schedule like the Pac 12?

And if we add A&M and another team out West, wouldn't there be a good chance the Tide joins our division? I'd love that.
 
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tvolsfan said:
No doubt, but maybe it would be a 9 game schedule like the Pac 12?

And if we add A&M and another team out West, wouldn't there be a good chance the Tide joins our division? I'd love that.
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Going to a nine-game conference schedule would mean that everybody would have to give up one of the guaranteed home creampuff games, and more importantly, make it very difficult for some teams to avoid having only six home games in some years. I can't see it happening.

It's interesting to speculate whom they'd move over if they added two teams out west. Alabama is too intertwined with LSU and Auburn rivalry-wise for any of them to move. Probably either Ole Miss or Mississippi State, as geographically wrong as it would be. Either of them is too below the radar nationally to upset the applecart much by moving.
 
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tvolsfan said:
No doubt, but maybe it would be a 9 game schedule like the Pac 12?

And if we add A&M and another team out West, wouldn't there be a good chance the Tide joins our division? I'd love that.
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If any team would move from the West to the East, it would be Auburn. All of their historical rivals are in the East with the exception of Alabama. All of Alabama's historical rivals are in the West with the exception of Tennessee.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Going to a nine-game conference schedule would mean that everybody would have to give up one of the guaranteed home creampuff games, and more importantly, make it very difficult for some teams to avoid having only six home games in some years. I can't see it happening.

It's interesting to speculate whom they'd move over if they added two teams out west. Alabama is too intertwined with LSU and Auburn rivalry-wise for any of them to move. Probably either Ole Miss or Mississippi State, as geographically wrong as it would be. Either of them is too below the radar nationally to upset the applecart much by moving.
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I was actually thinking Auburn would move over, too, and someone else would go West. Should have clarified that. I don't think Alabama would have a problem with that, but I'm just speculating.
bamawriter said:
If any team would move from the West to the East, it would be Auburn. All of their historical rivals are in the East with the exception of Alabama. All of Alabama's historical rivals are in the West with the exception of Tennessee.
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I don't see Auburn moving without Bama, to be honest. You mention Bama's historical rivals in the West, but if Auburn moved, by far their biggest two would be in the East.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I was actually thinking Auburn would move over, too, and someone else would go West. Should have clarified that. I don't think Alabama would have a problem with that, but I'm just speculating.


I don't see Auburn moving without Bama, to be honest. You mention Bama's historical rivals in the West, but if Auburn moved, by far their biggest two would be in the East.
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You have a point, and Arkansas might be the logical team to move East, even though the geography would be messed up.

But really, we could simply go back to having 2 permanent cross-division rivals.
 
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bamawriter said:
You have a point, and Arkansas might be the logical team to move East, even though the geography would be messed up.

But really, we could simply go back to having 2 permanent cross-division rivals.
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I can't see that happening at all, because we simply wouldn't play a significant portion of our conference.

What about shipping Vanderbilt West and bringing Bama and Auburn East?
 
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tvolsfan said:
I can't see that happening at all, because we simply wouldn't play a significant portion of our conference.

What about shipping Vanderbilt West and bringing Bama and Auburn East?
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The conference tries to keep state teams together. That's why I think Arkansas is the most likely to move. The geography doesn't add up, but they don't have a cross-state rival that they'd be leaving behind.
 
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bamawriter said:
The conference tries to keep state teams together. That's why I think Arkansas is the most likely to move. The geography doesn't add up, but they don't have a cross-state rival that they'd be leaving behind.
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That's annoying. I'd be furious if Tennessee possibly lost out on the Alabama game because the SEC wants Vanderbilt to stay with Tennessee. I feel like Tennessee and even Bama fans would raise hell about it, especially the older ones, although you would know better than I about that.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I was actually thinking Auburn would move over, too, and someone else would go West. Should have clarified that. I don't think Alabama would have a problem with that, but I'm just speculating.
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I think you have to figure that CBS would have a lot of say in what the SEC did, and in recent years Alabama-LSU has been one of the biggest games in the conference every year. I can't see them breaking Alabama and LSU up. The sad thing is that since the SEC will care more about what its television partners think than preserving its traditional rivalry games, everything will be driven by the last 3-5 years' worth of ratings data.

Of course, by that same token, if they dumped the permanent opponent, then CBS would lose the yearly Florida-LSU game, which isn't exactly a traditional rivalry game but is one of their biggest ratings every year these days. So maybe they'd keep the permanent opponent and go to only one rotating other division opponent -- which would mean we'd hardly ever see any of the teams in the other division, and that sucks too. So basically there's no way to add any teams without making it suck.
 
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tvolsfan said:
That's annoying. I'd be furious if Tennessee possibly lost out on the Alabama game because the SEC wants Vanderbilt to stay with Tennessee. I feel like Tennessee and even Bama fans would raise hell about it, especially the older ones, although you would know better than I about that.
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If Arkansas were to move, there would be no reason that the permanent cross-division rival would be dropped.

And I'm not the best person to ask about losing the UT rivalry. I would much rather drop the Iron Bowl than the 4th Saturday in October. But I grew up, and still live, in Tennessee, so my bias is a little skewed. I have no idea what most Bama fans would want.
 
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bamawriter said:
If Arkansas were to move, there would be no reason that the permanent cross-division rival would be dropped.

And I'm not the best person to ask about losing the UT rivalry. I would much rather drop the Iron Bowl than the 4th Saturday in October. But I grew up, and still live, in Tennessee, so my bias is a little skewed. I have no idea what most Bama fans would want.
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I'm kind of under the impression that the Bama fans old enough to actually remember the Bear would raise hell if losing the Tennessee game became a possibility, but I could be wrong. I'd really just prefer having Bama in our division.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I think you have to figure that CBS would have a lot of say in what the SEC did, and in recent years Alabama-LSU has been one of the biggest games in the conference every year. I can't see them breaking Alabama and LSU up. The sad thing is that since the SEC will care more about what its television partners think than preserving its traditional rivalry games, everything will be driven by the last 3-5 years' worth of ratings data.

Of course, by that same token, if they dumped the permanent opponent, then CBS would lose the yearly Florida-LSU game, which isn't exactly a traditional rivalry game but is one of their biggest ratings every year these days. So maybe they'd keep the permanent opponent and go to only one rotating other division opponent -- which would mean we'd hardly ever see any of the teams in the other division, and that sucks too. So basically there's no way to add any teams without making it suck.
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I'm not doubting you, but I do feel like Tennessee and Bama fans would raise enough hell for it to count for something. I really think OSU and Michigan could have avoided the idiocy which forced them to be in separate divisions.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm kind of under the impression that the Bama fans old enough to actually remember the Bear would raise hell if losing the Tennessee game became a possibility, but I could be wrong. I'd really just prefer having Bama in our division.
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The issue for Bama is that we have a long-standing traditional rivalry with every team in the West, except Arkansas, and only one team in the East, Tennessee. We used to have a decent rivalry with UGA, but that lost importance long before divisional play even began. And we have a historic rivalry with Vandy that hasn't been relevant since the 40s. Bama's rivalries pretty much fall in this order:

1a Auburn
1b Tennessee
2 LSU
3 Mississippi State
4 Ole Miss

then a massive gap before

5 UGA
6 Vandy
7 Arkansas

And we have no real rivalry with UF, UK, or USCe.

Moving Bama to the East, even if AU were included, completely destroys some long-standing match-ups.
 
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Isn't there a pretty big gap between Tennessee and LSU? And I don't claim to know the mindset of all Bammers, but I'd think you guys would eventually get over losing MSU and Ole Miss. I'd certainly think that's better than losing Tennessee, but I'm probably biased.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Isn't there a pretty big gap between Tennessee and LSU? And I don't claim to know the mindset of all Bammers, but I'd think you guys would eventually get over losing MSU and Ole Miss. I'd certainly think that's better than losing Tennessee, but I'm probably biased.
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Yeah, there's still a gap between Tennessee and LSU, but that gap has closed a bit over the last decade.

Again, I see no way that the Bama-Tennessee rivalry gets canned, nor do I see Bama being moved to the East. The only way Bama gets shipped to the East is if 4 western teams join the SEC.
 
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bamawriter said:
Yeah, there's still a gap between Tennessee and LSU, but that gap has closed a bit over the last decade.

Again, I see no way that the Bama-Tennessee rivalry gets canned, nor do I see Bama being moved to the East. The only way Bama gets shipped to the East is if 4 western teams join the SEC.
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I think you're right, even if I don't like the possible alternatives. It really wouldn't surprise me if the other teams in the SEC fought to get rid of the Tennessee-Alabama game for their own interests.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I think you're right, even if I don't like the possible alternatives. It really wouldn't surprise me if the other teams in the SEC fought to get rid of the Tennessee-Alabama game for their own interests.
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Maybe...

But let's say TAMU and Oklahoma joined, and Arkansas left for the East.

Alabama and Tennessee won't willingly give up their rivalry. Nor will UGA and Auburn. The SEC wouldn't want to split up Florida and LSU, even if the schools wanted to. And a cross-division rivalry between Arkansas and A&M would be a given since they already play frequently. So that's 4 out of 7 cross-division rivalries that are set in stone.

The overwhelming interest from most parties would be to keep that system in place
 
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