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OrangeEmpire said:
I wasn't arguing any thing, I was waiting for someone to say that was the start of man made climate change.

I'll never get it because I don't have the faith in my fellow human to be able to control the earth's climate.
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OK..maybe I shouldn't say argument...your comment about the temperatures being higher in the industrial revolution didn't make sense to me...please elaborate.
 
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VolDad said:
How do you account for the influence of solar flares on the climate?

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Unless some other underlying cause is responsible for the unlikely correspondence between solar flares and the earth's temperature, the research suggests that for the large part variations in global temperatures are beyond our control and are instead at the mercy of the sun's activity.
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Our temperatures will always be at the mercy of the sun...no climate scientist argues otherwise. The point is that when the sun flares up (or some other increase in our temperature happens), the amount we heat up will now be more...and these temperatures are not something that we are accustomed to seeing....

I do not doubt that the sun could really throw us for a loop and cause all kinds of havoc...we as a species have to hope that doesn't happen and in the meantime probably shouldn't make it harder on ourselves.
 
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TennTradition said:
OK..maybe I shouldn't say argument...your comment about the temperatures being higher in the industrial revolution didn't make sense to me...please elaborate.
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Generally speaking, whenever I have this talk with people they always seem to start with the Industrial Revolution as a starting point for Global Warming.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
And just like the Marine Corps the Earth adapts, innovates and overcomes.

Why is it now too late and in 20 years every thing is going to burn up?

And to save every one we have to issue carbon cards and take freedoms away?

Honestly, what has changed?
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We have seen decrease in water supply to some communities that depend on glacial-fed water supplies. That is the only impact I think we have really seen so far that has caused a disruption of lifestyle. If the problem were as bad as it were going to get, then there would be little need to act. If the predictions of this continuing, sea-levels rising (moving populations and generating conflict), and if droughts were to hit important food-growing regions then there would likely be a reason to act. A problem is that our response sees delayed returns (if there is a problem)...and that is the problem at the root of this whole debate.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Generally speaking, whenever I have this talk with people they always seem to start with the Industrial Revolution as a starting point for Global Warming.
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Sure...that is usually a starting-point for discussing man-made climate change....it didn't get cranked up for a while, but that is a good starting point. Is there a reason temperatures should have been higher then than today?
 
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Tenn Tradition I take it you have either done research into the climate or weather field or you are involved in some degree by occupation? Do you know of any good books on the subject that would be easy for a person with limited knowledge on the subject to understand?
 
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VolDad said:
Making money is not evil but I thought your point was that they do not benefit from being "alarmist".

Am I missing something?
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Sorry - bad joke quoting a post OE made in a separate thread just moments before. It was so tangential even OE didn't recognize it.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Maybe it is just me but wouldn't the climate have been hotter during the indulstrial revolution than now if we were the cause of every thing wrong in the world?
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Compare the populations then and now. And the environmental impact on the additional billions in population.
 
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KB5252 said:
Tenn Tradition I take it you have either done research into the climate or weather field or you are involved in some degree by occupation? Do you know of any good books on the subject that would be easy for a person with limited knowledge on the subject to understand?
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I've always loved meteorology and have studied it some in school..including a class in the science and policy of climate change. So ... just an interested student, not a practitioner. I've generally just had lecture notes and power points more than an actual book..so this is a good question that has me stumped. I'm trying to think of something that isn't detailed science that isn't just propaganda or talking points..... and I'm blank. I'll see if I can find some references...
 
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TennNC said:
Sorry - bad joke quoting a post OE made in a separate thread just moments before. It was so tangential even OE didn't recognize it.
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It happens to the best of us....... but I have never done anything like that!:whistling::p
 
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TennTradition said:
I've always loved meteorology and have studied it some in school..including a class in the science and policy of climate change. So ... just an interested student, not a practitioner. I've generally just had lecture notes and power points more than an actual book..so this is a good question that has me stumped. I'm trying to think of something that isn't detailed science that isn't just propaganda or talking points..... and I'm blank. I'll see if I can find some references...
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I'll be heading home in a few. Just PM me if you find anything and I'll look into it tomorrow, Thanks
 
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TennTradition said:
Sure...that is usually a starting-point for discussing man-made climate change....it didn't get cranked up for a while, but that is a good starting point. Is there a reason temperatures should have been higher then than today?
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The only thing I think would be more abundant is acid rain.
 
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TennNC said:
Sorry - bad joke quoting a post OE made in a separate thread just moments before. It was so tangential even OE didn't recognize it.
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You know the only thing I care about is freedom and I am not going to give it up to Algore!
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
The only thing I think would be more abundant is acid rain.
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It would definitely pick up as long as we are releasing sulfur-containing compounds into the atmosphere...

I must have completely misunderstood what you were going for when you mentioned it being a hotter climate at the industrial revolution....
 
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TennTradition said:
It would definitely pick up as long as we are releasing sulfur-containing compounds into the atmosphere...

I must have completely misunderstood what you were going for when you mentioned it being a hotter climate at the industrial revolution....
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People argue that to me all the time.........

But I do have contact with political pinheads within the Ohio State Government.
 
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Kudos to TennTradition for his knowledge and insight on the subject. My brain hurts now, though.
 
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TennNC said:
And is Al Gore doing all this work and giving all these speeches just so he can deny peoples' freedoms?
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1.) Hello, he is an attention whore who needs to be relevant after 2000 so no one forgets him.

He jumps on a political cause because he knows his base will show love and support of him.

In short, global cooling, climate change makes him relevant.

2.) Of course it boils down to freedom, what a great stance for the government to tell you to drive 55, not use natural gas in your home, etc.

Yeah, that is taking our freedoms away for no reason what so ever!

 
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TennTradition said:
They argue that it should be hotter 200 years ago than today if man were causing climate change?
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They don't know what they are arguing about.......

It generally boils down that I am accused of being a Bush supporter, which I am not, and we are the problem for climate change.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
1.) Hello, he is an attention whore who needs to be relevant after 2000 so no one forgets him.

He jumps on a political cause because he knows his base will show love and support of him.

In short, global cooling, climate change makes him relevant.

2.) Of course it boils down to freedom, what a great stance for the government to tell you to drive 55, not use natural gas in your home, etc.

Yeah, that is taking our freedoms away for no reason what so ever!
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I think that he does care about climate issues...but a lot of that is motivated by his desire to be important...and be a spokesperson for the cause.
 
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