"That's American Politics, Pure and Simple"

#51
#51
lawgator1 said:
TPers don't care about the Constitution when it inconveniences their social goals. They embrace it with a fervor when they think they can wrap themselves in it to perpetuate their superior economic position.
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When did I join the tea party? Was I there When this happened?
 
#53
#53
lawgator1 said:
The first major party black candidate and black people, who had never had the opportunity before, voted for him ? Shocking.

Face it: some blacks voted for him because he's black, some whites voted against him because he's black.
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volinbham said:
Somehow I'm guessing you think one of these reasons is perfectly legit and the other is horribly wrong.
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lawgator1 said:
They are both regrettable. One is understandable. That's as far as I need to go.
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Going out on a limb here, but I assume your giving a pass to those that are black that voted for him because he is black. But if whitey votes against him because he's black its regrettable and not understandable.

lawgator1 said:
They already do.

Sort of my point.
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So neither are racists if they vote for or against based on color?

lawgator1 said:
The real motivation is just suppressing illegal votes. It just so happens to disproportionately affect democratic voters, yes. That is indisputable. And that is known by the proponents.

The "voter fraud" claims have repeatedly been proven and it is simply absurd that it is allowed.

But I know you have made up your mind that these voters are all a bunch of welfare, Acorn loving criminal commies, so why don;t we agree to disagree on this and move on? I am incapable of acknowledging the truth about it, clearly.
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#55
#55
Doesn't seem that difficult.

Instructions


Things You'll Need

  • Acceptable documents to prove your identity and citizenship

  • 1 Find out which state agency issues identification cards. States that require photo IDs for voting normally issue them through the Department of Motor Vehicles (which may be called the Department of Drivers services or some other name) which issues driver’s licenses.

  • 2 Get a list of acceptable photo IDs (all these states have lists of accepted photo IDs online) and see if you have one. If not, you will need to get a voter ID card.

  • 3 Check with the Department of Motor Vehicles to find out how to apply for a photo ID for voting in your state. The important part is to get a list of the documents you will need. Normally these include your social security card, birth certificate or certificate of Naturalization, proof of residency in the state, and sometimes one or two additional items. The requirements vary from state. If you don’t have one of these documents don’t panic—each state has a list of alternate documents you can use.

  • 4 Gather the documents you need to apply for a voter ID card. You can download the application in some states, but not in others.

  • 5 Apply at a designated office to get a voter ID card. You will need to fill out the application form and apply in person so you can be photographed. Some states will issue the card on the spot, while others send it to you in the mail.



Read more: How to Get a Voter ID Card | eHow.com How to Get a Voter ID Card | eHow.com​
 
#56
#56
Been voting for years and it took the election of 2008 and this thread for me to come to realization that apparently I am a racist.
 
#57
#57
cd12 said:
Been voting for years and it took the election of 2008 and this thread for me to come to realization that apparently I am a racist.
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welcome to real life. everyone is racist in one way or another. I've been mugged by a large group of somalians - will never see them the same and it's a shame.
 
#58
#58
kev20 said:
Doesn't seem that difficult.

Instructions


Things You'll Need

  • Acceptable documents to prove your identity and citizenship

  • 1 Find out which state agency issues identification cards. States that require photo IDs for voting normally issue them through the Department of Motor Vehicles (which may be called the Department of Drivers services or some other name) which issues driver’s licenses.

  • 2 Get a list of acceptable photo IDs (all these states have lists of accepted photo IDs online) and see if you have one. If not, you will need to get a voter ID card.

  • 3 Check with the Department of Motor Vehicles to find out how to apply for a photo ID for voting in your state. The important part is to get a list of the documents you will need. Normally these include your social security card, birth certificate or certificate of Naturalization, proof of residency in the state, and sometimes one or two additional items. The requirements vary from state. If you don’t have one of these documents don’t panic—each state has a list of alternate documents you can use.

  • 4 Gather the documents you need to apply for a voter ID card. You can download the application in some states, but not in others.

  • 5 Apply at a designated office to get a voter ID card. You will need to fill out the application form and apply in person so you can be photographed. Some states will issue the card on the spot, while others send it to you in the mail.



Read more: How to Get a Voter ID Card | eHow.com How to Get a Voter ID Card | eHow.com​
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Blatant racism like this has no place on these forums.
 
#59
#59
Poor people, especially elderly poor people who lack transportation, could certainly find it very difficult to comply with those requirements.
 
#60
#60
I mean seriously, download the form to get a voter id card? And then provide the supporting documentation? And what might that require ?

Why not also require they run a 100 yard dash with hurdles since that is exactly what that is intended to be.
 
#64
#64
lawgator1 said:
Poor people, especially elderly poor people who lack transportation, could certainly find it very difficult to comply with those requirements.
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Then I would think that person would also have difficulty making it to a polling location.

Many states and municipalities have free services that will take you to the DMV to get your ID. If not, I can promise that you could call your local Democratic or Republican party headquarters, and they'll gladly help you out.
 
#66
#66
bamawriter said:
Then I would think that person would also have difficulty making it to a polling location.

Many states and municipalities have free services that will take you to the DMV to get your ID. If not, I can promise that you could call your local Democratic or Republican party headquarters, and they'll gladly help you out.
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volinbham said:
Yet they get to the polling station.
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cue the mail-in ballot theory
 
#72
#72
As some of you may/may not know I have a 16 year old that I took guardianship over the summer. He's Black, poor family, etc, etc. Over the past year we've been wading our way through the various systems, mostly for medical assistance and health insurance, but also for his birth certificate, social security card, school records, etc.

This is what I've learned:

1) you have to fill out multiple forms and show some proof of identification for each action.
2) all of the forms are available on line or at the office
3) you can order forms over the phone and even fill out some applications over the phone

Given that everyone in this kids family receives some sort of assistance in terms of unemployment, medical assistance, disability assistance etc, which requires them to either visit the office or apply on-line, I am amazed that anyone could make this argument with a straight face. It really doesn't matter what color he is as I know many people across this small city that I live in who receive assistance. None of them ever complained about being able to get to the office or get the information they need on-line. None of them.

The problem is that people on the other side of the issue, those who aren't familiar with the way the system works and who want to appear sensitive to the needs of the down trodden, continue to believe this lie. It is simply not true--the effect is negligible and anyone with an ounce of desire to vote can prove their identity easily.

Oh, and before we go back to the issue of the elderly, my father in law suffers from MS and has been bed ridden for years, yet he has never missed a vote.
 
#73
#73
YorkVol said:
As some of you may/may not know I have a 16 year old that I took guardianship over the summer. He's Black, poor family, etc, etc. Over the past year we've been wading our way through the various systems, mostly for medical assistance and health insurance, but also for his birth certificate, social security card, school records, etc.

This is what I've learned:

1) you have to fill out multiple forms and show some proof of identification for each action.
2) all of the forms are available on line or at the office
3) you can order forms over the phone and even fill out some applications over the phone

Given that everyone in this kids family receives some sort of assistance in terms of unemployment, medical assistance, disability assistance etc, which requires them to either visit the office or apply on-line, I am amazed that anyone could make this argument with a straight face. It really doesn't matter what color he is as I know many people across this small city that I live in who receive assistance. None of them ever complained about being able to get to the office or get the information they need on-line. None of them.

The problem is that people on the other side of the issue, those who aren't familiar with the way the system works and who want to appear sensitive to the needs of the down trodden, continue to believe this lie. It is simply not true--the effect is negligible and anyone with an ounce of desire to vote can prove their identity easily.

Oh, and before we go back to the issue of the elderly, my father in law suffers from MS and has been bed ridden for years, yet he has never missed a vote.
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Well, there you have it. Your own exposure to these issues -- as vast as it is having adopted one kid -- obviously encompasses all human experience in these matters.

Case closed.
 
#74
#74
volinbham said:
Yep and the only ones that get government aid - that's what we are told over and over.
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They are lying!

I've got a caucasian buddy that is a horse trainer. He lost his horses and was advised to collect unemployment. He had done some work in PA, so when he called KY they told him the PA would offer him more benefits.

He is now guaranteed $1600 a month including an ungodly food stamp budget if he so chooses. Makes a guy laugh and cry at the same time.
 
#75
#75
lawgator1 said:
Well, there you have it. Your own exposure to these issues -- as vast as it is having adopted one kid -- obviously encompasses all human experience in these matters.

Case closed.
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You haven't given one example of an obstacle to getting an ID that can't be easily overcome. And yet you ridicule this guy who has gone through a process that is much more complicated than getting a photo ID. The difference in red tape between the two isn't even comparable.
 
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