That's racist!

Yeah well Columbus was a white male so you know he bad.
If anything, the fact that he's a white male (and the fact that it's the status quo, I suppose) is why people like you get so defensive. If someone proposed a new holiday to celebrate a historical Black woman who cut off people's hands and sold children into sex slavery, the right would lose their collective minds over it
 
It could be argued I guess but it's weak argument that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Acts of barbarism with uncooperative subjects are abundant in any conquest of people. The Egyptians show bringing back the hands and feet of enemies as trophies, bringing back many slaves etc.

The stories about Genghis are legendary.

Mansa Musa was known to be ruthless to the people of his enemies... Soldier or civilian.

The Spanish Conquistadors were ruthless.

It's the way of conquest. You can argue that conquest is evil........ And their acts. But he's done nothing any one before or after hasn't done in their conquest to earn him any greater or lesser status in that regard.
I think it's important to consider the context of the discussion here. None of those peoples have a special day of recognition in our country. And in that way, there is merit to what Nash is saying.
 
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"Indigenous people" at large aren't turning 9-year-olds into sex slaves. Columbus Day is a celebration of one (terrible) individual; if you're acting like any holiday celebrating a group of people is similar based on the acts of the worst single person out of those groups of people, then there are a lot of holidays that would have to go
And some whole months.......
 
If anything, the fact that he's a white male (and the fact that it's the status quo, I suppose) is why people like you get so defensive. If someone proposed a new holiday to celebrate a historical Black woman who cut off people's hands and sold children into sex slavery, the right would lose their collective minds over it
The left canonized George Floyd and he was a really sh***y dude.
 
I think it's important to consider the context of the discussion here. None of those peoples have a special day of recognition in our country. And in that way, there is merit to what Nash is saying.
Marginalized groups in the past getting recognition I totally get, but having to have a black person or a gay person in every single movie and every single commercial is pretty humorous 😂 it doesn’t bother me as much as I find it amusing ie having all black people in British adaptations of things.. it’s sort of funny
 
Marginalized groups in the past getting recognition I totally get, but having to have a black person or a gay person in every single movie and every single commercial is pretty humorous 😂 it doesn’t bother me as much as I find it amusing ie having all black people in British adaptations of things.. it’s sort of funny
Yeah but straight whites are really the worst. So boring.
 
If anything, the fact that he's a white male (and the fact that it's the status quo, I suppose) is why people like you get so defensive. If someone proposed a new holiday to celebrate a historical Black woman who cut off people's hands and sold children into sex slavery, the right would lose their collective minds over it
I'm not defensive, I was stating it in jest. You jumping to that conclusion says a lot more about you than me. I would love another holiday. My company just moved a holiday, day after Thanksgiving to MLK day and no one I work with was upset. Take a lap junior.
 
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Person who doesn't know what "at large" means. If I said "as a whole" would you get it? It's not the entire group or even the majority or anywhere close.

Indigenous Peoples' Day is largely about the present tense anyway, this was a dumb attempted gotcha

If you said they didn't or never (past tense) yeah I would have gotten it.

But then again Europeans/Caucasians "at large" didn't turn 9 year olds into sex slaves either.
 
I'm not defensive, I was stating it in jest. You jumping to that conclusion says a lot more about you than me. I would love another holiday. My company just moved a holiday, day after Thanksgiving to MLK day and no one I work with was upset. Take a lap junior.
They took away the day after Thanksgiving as a holiday? Wack IMO
 
If you said they didn't or never (past tense) yeah I would have gotten it.

But then again Europeans/Caucasians "at large" didn't turn 9 year olds into sex slaves either.
It's not European/Caucasian Day (though you wouldn't be able to tell from the number of Caucasians getting defensive about it), it's Columbus Day to specifically honor that one person
 
Most of the tribes practiced various forms of slavery. Everything from the "benign" killing off all males over a certain age, and making the women and young men slaves. to various tribes actively participating in Slave trade with the confederates, it doesn't get mentioned much but the union was actively fighting the natives during the early 1860s too. many tribes considered puberty the acceptable line, so it may not have been 9, but 11 doesn't come off as too much better, to me at least.

I would be willing to bet at least SOME of those tribes didn't draw too much distinction on age or use of those slaves. that's the problem with going with a holistic "Indigenous People's Day" with such a large sample size there is plenty of disgusting being overlooked.

its kinda like arguing that Columbus was the good guy because he didn't practice human sacrifice. both sides are doing some cherry picking to frame their argument in the most positive light they can.

and yes, a good number of holidays would have to go. but IPD was chosen out of some seeking of a higher standard, that itself doesn't pass.

Santa Claus is a habitual burglar and peeping Tom. Not to mention slaver, I've never heard where he pays his elves or lets them leave. Well all except JoeDawg, he got out somehow.
 
I think it's important to consider the context of the discussion here. None of those peoples have a special day of recognition in our country. And in that way, there is merit to what Nash is saying.
None of those people have any relation or link to this country save a distant genetic link.

It's why we celebrate Columbus and indigenous peoples day. Both have a link to this country. If you're saying we shouldn't celebrate Columbus Day because a portion of this country can find it hurtful I'm fine. If you say it was because Columbus was a bad guy, is where I have an issue, not because I think he didn't do bad things. But because that's what conquest entails and always has.

Maybe I walked into the discussion at the wrong time.
 
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It's not European/Caucasian Day (though you wouldn't be able to tell from the number of Caucasians getting defensive about it), it's Columbus Day to specifically honor that one person

He did have a pretty massive achievement.

Now with that being said, maybe it should be renamed Leif Erikson day.
 
None of those people have any relation or link to this country save a distant generic link.

It's why we celebrate Columbus and indigenous peoples day. Both have a link to this country. If you're saying we shouldn't celebrate Columbus Day because a portion of this country can find it hurtful I'm fine. If you say it was because Columbus was a bad guy, is where I have an issue, not because I think he didn't do bad things. But because that's what conquest entails and always has.

Maybe I walked into the discussion at the wrong time.
Understood. It's a fair perspective.

Side note, always found it amusing Columbus found a country which already had people. Like hello, I think someone else found it first.
 

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