The All-Time Tennessee Twelve

#26
#26
ZZ13 said:
DeVoe. He doesn't need to recruit because the team is being handed to him and he was excellent his first 5 years in preparation and in-game tactics. Plus he won NCAA tourney games, which Mears couldn't do with a bunch of all Americans on his teams.
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Yep, I'd go with DeVoe too
 
#27
#27
ZZ13 said:
DeVoe. He doesn't need to recruit because the team is being handed to him and he was excellent his first 5 years in preparation and in-game tactics. Plus he won NCAA tourney games, which Mears couldn't do with a bunch of all Americans on his teams.
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The shot clock killed DeVoe. MEARS!
 
#29
#29
VOLnMiami said:
Makes me laugh seeing ANYONE putting Ernie Grunfeld on the bench over anyone...The man averaged 25.3 ppg...As far as a starting 5 goes...Bernard King, Ernie Grunfeld, Dale Ellis, Allan Houston and Tony White...It doesn't get better than that.
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He's lucky he was 7th in my rotation
 
#30
#30
ZZ13 said:
Agree with that. Except I am clearly in the minority in that I would start Lofton over Houston. Houston's teams didn't win a darn thing and Lofton is a big reason his teams won a lot of huge games they probably shouldn't. Winning means a lot.
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That's because Houston was saddled with his dad who was the worst basketball coach in UT history.
 
#31
#31
I've known Jimmy England's nephew all my life and I've met Jimmy. Great man but if you saw him now you'd never would have expected him to be a college basketball player haha

Good post.
 
#32
#32
I'll take Mears over Devoe. You can't knock Mears for not winning a tourney game. Back then not many teams made the tourney. It was mainly only Ky from the SEC. Mears' teams would've made it many more times if more teams were allowed back then which would've given him more chances to win games. Back then it was Ky and only Ky and the rest of the SEC treated hoops like an intramural sport for the most part.
 
#34
#34
ZZ13 said:
Agree with that. Except I am clearly in the minority in that I would start Lofton over Houston. Houston's teams didn't win a darn thing and Lofton is a big reason his teams won a lot of huge games they probably shouldn't. Winning means a lot.
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Yeah that had a lot to do with houston
 
#35
#35
cncchris33 said:
And it's not really close. On roughly 200 fewer attempts, Houston shot 42.4% from 3-point line for his four-year career to Lofton's 42.2%. So, the one area most people would guess Lofton had Houston beat, he still falls short by the slimmest of margins.

Houston was a better finisher, a better ball-handler, rebounder, and better passer (actually averaged 5 assists/game over his jr and sr seasons despite being scoring option #1, 2, & 3).

C-Lo was great, but very one-dimensional in comparison to Houston.
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So you think him taking 200 fewer 3s and making a .2% higher, makes him a better 3 point shooter?
 
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#36
#36
BOP said:
So you think him taking 200 fewer 3s and making a .2% higher, makes him a better 3 point shooter?
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No, I said the one area where most would assume Lofton was hands down better would be 3-point shooting. In fact, he's not, at least % -wise by a slim margin.

The difference in career attempts is like 1000 to 800, not 250 to 50. I think 800 career attempts (which is 2nd most in school history I believe) is a sufficient sample size to surmise that Houston, at worst, was in the ballpark with Lofton as a shooter, and significantly better in most, if not every other facet of the game.

Nice attempt at flaming though.
 
#39
#39
cncchris33 said:
No, I said the one area where most would assume Lofton was hands down better would be 3-point shooting. In fact, he's not, at least % -wise by a slim margin.

The difference in career attempts is like 1000 to 800, not 250 to 50. I think 800 career attempts (which is 2nd most in school history I believe) is a sufficient sample size to surmise that Houston, at worst, was in the ballpark with Lofton as a shooter, and significantly better in most, if not every other facet of the game.

Nice attempt at flaming though.
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Well, the 85 more makes would certainly tell a different story. JJ reddick, Chris lofton, and jimmer fredette are the best college 3 point shooters I have ever seen. I'm sure there are a lot of guys with higher percentages.
 
#40
#40
BOP said:
Well, the 85 more makes would certainly tell a different story. JJ reddick, Chris lofton, and jimmer fredette are the best college 3 point shooters I have ever seen. I'm sure there are a lot of guys with higher percentages.
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Well, that settles it then. Lol.

The 85 more makes tells us only that Lofton shot 41.6% on his 204 more attempts.

It also tells us that Lofton relied more upon his shooting ability than anything else, whereas Allan Houston had much more well-rounded game, and could score from anywhere.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing about. If you want to opine that Lofton was a better shooter simply on volume of shots, have at it. Since we are talking about the two leaders in career 3-point attempts at UT, it's fair to say we are dealing with a more than adequate sample size for each, in spite of Lofton's 85 more makes on 204 more attempts, to determine that both were great shooters. Percentage-wise Houston was slightly better.

You missed my whole point though, which was to illustrate how close their shooting numbers were in actuality, in contrast to most people's belief that Lofton was likely a far-and-away better shooter.
 
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#41
#41
Hate to be that guy, but one comment has to be brought up. King was great, but not nearly the best player in SEC history. That would be Maravich, and it's not close.
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#42
#42
roswellvol said:
Hate to be that guy, but one comment has to be brought up. King was great, but not nearly the best player in SEC history. That would be Maravich, and it's not close.
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Negative, good sir . Maravich=Overrated
 
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#48
#48
VOLnMiami said:
Agreed...He was great against inferior teams but in the pros he did absolutely nothing.....Maybe the greatest ball handler of all time I'll give him that.
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What do you mean by absolutely nothing?
 
#50
#50
roswellvol said:
Hate to be that guy, but one comment has to be brought up. King was great, but not nearly the best player in SEC history. That would be Maravich, and it's not close.
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Do you know what a basketball is?
Bernard King is one of the best to ever play this game anywhere period.
 
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