The All-Time Tennessee Twelve

#76
#76
BOP said:
I can't imagine the term overrated being used for a guy who probably isn't know by a casual basketball fan. The best ever? Maybe not. Criminally underrated? Absolutely.
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Maravich underrated?

Absolute ludicrous.

Underrated is Bernard King.
 
#78
#78
zjcvols said:
Who cares about ability when you don't use it properly? Maybe you like being entertained but I like winning more. Maravich wasn't a winning player.

And I'm more impressed with a big man that could shoot, pass, had great post moves, and great basketball IQ over anything a guard can do unless it's a LeBron or Magic type player.
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Major college and professional basketball is a spectator sport. Who are you to say he didn't use it properly. If I'm not mistaken UCLA won a lot of championships without Lew Alcindor. Not sure that LSU would have won anymore games had maravich played a different way.
 
#79
#79
BOP said:
Major college and professional basketball is a spectator sport. Who are you to say he didn't use it properly. If I'm not mistaken UCLA won a lot of championships without Lew Alcindor. Not sure that LSU would have won anymore games had maravich played a different way.
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So you like to be entertained like a five year old. That's cool. Different strokes.

Winning is entertaining to me.
 
#81
#81
BOP said:
You understand that Pete Maravich is one of the most forgotten names in the history of basketball right?
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What? Are you serious?

Everyone that follows anything close to basketball knows who Pete Maravich. And I'm a youngster.
 
#82
#82
zjcvols said:
So you like to be entertained like a five year old. That's cool. Different strokes.

Winning is entertaining to me.
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Someone wins every time 5 year olds play basketball. A talent like The Pistol doesn't come around quite as often.
 
#83
#83
zjcvols said:
What? Are you serious?

Everyone that follows anything close to basketball knows who Pete Maravich. And I'm a youngster.
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No they don't, he mentioned near as much as he should be. Lots of people don't know who he is.
 
#84
#84
BOP said:
Someone wins every time 5 year olds play basketball. A talent like The Pistol doesn't come around quite as often.
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Hey if a selfish, one way player entertains you, that's fine. I got no problem with it. Allen Iverson was just as riveting and entertained me.

But that doesn't mean he's a great player.
 
#85
#85
BOP said:
You understand that Pete Maravich is one of the most forgotten names in the history of basketball right?
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Haha!!!!!!! My 7 year old cuz knows who pistol pete Maravich is and I ain't even joking. Your just spitting out bull**** BOP
 
#86
#86
BOP said:
No they don't, he mentioned near as much as he should be. Lots of people don't know who he is.
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He's not mentioned that much publicially because nobody mentions selfish gunners who don't play D and because he's been dead over 20 years. Great players are remembered. Pete wasn't one.

But to say nobody knows him is ludicrous. Again, every casual fan knows who Pistol is and what he is.
 
#87
#87
zjcvols said:
Hey if a selfish, one way player entertains you, that's fine. I got no problem with it. Allen Iverson was just as riveting and entertained me.

But that doesn't mean he's a great player.
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I'm guessing you were a 6'1" Center man for your small high school basketball team.
 
#88
#88
BOP said:
I'm guessing you were a 6'1" Center man for your small high school basketball team.
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Actually I am 6'2.

I'm sure you were the 5'7 G on the JV team that played basketball to get more chicks. Whatever works.
 
#89
#89
zjcvols said:
He's not mentioned that much publicially because nobody mentions selfish gunners who don't play D and because he's been dead over 20 years. Great players are remembered. Pete wasn't one.

But to say nobody knows him is ludicrous. Again, every casual fan knows who Pistol is and what he is.
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You are completely incorrect. Maravich is the greatest offensive player who ever lived. To try and compare anything that Kareem Abdul Jabbar could do on the offensive end of the basketball court to what Maravich could do is beyond asinine. One guy was able to do the things he did because he was a great for his size. The other guy because he was a basketball prodigy.
 
#90
#90
BOP said:
You are completely incorrect. Maravich is the greatest offensive player who ever lived. To try and compare anything that Kareem Abdul Jabbar could do on the offensive end of the basketball court to what Maravich could do is beyond asinine. One guy was able to do the things he did because he was a great for his size. The other guy because he was a basketball prodigy.
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Oh. My. God.

Okay, I'm done. If you are going to call Pete Maravich the greatest offensive player, I assume you stopped watching basketball after 1975 or are just a shock shock. I am now done with this conversation. I refuse to rile with such trolling.
 
#92
#92
6'2" right? I'm wondering if everyone else was 5'8" and the goal was 9' how hard it would be to look like Kareem Abdul Jabar vs being another 6'4" Guard and trying to do what Maravich could do.
 
#93
#93
zjcvols said:
Oh. My. God.

Okay, I'm done. If you are going to call Pete Maravich the greatest offensive player, I assume you stopped watching basketball after 1975 or are just a shock shock. I am now done with this conversation. I refuse to rile with such trolling.
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I should have stopped when you said what Big Men do is more impressive than what guards do.
 
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#96
#96
As much as I love King and UT, I think I'd have to give the edge to Maravich. Of course King could do a lot of things Pete couldn't, but Pistol was an enigma.
 
#97
#97
zjcvols said:
Great players are remembered. Pete wasn't one.
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That's not true. He was a great player. Greatest of all-time? No, but lets not discount his importance and legacy to strengthen your argument for King, Kareem, etc. You don't need to do that.

Comparing King's and Maravich's shooting % is a little unfair, in that Maravich was taking lower % shots as a perimeter player vs King who was an inside player, and had the 3-point line existed, Pete would have averaged 50+/game.

Still, Maravich is everything you described him as; a gunner who lacked defense. His dad pushed him to be selfish because no one could stop him. He is one of the greatest passers of all-time, and was IMO, a victim of being way ahead of his time in that regard. Other players, at the time, weren't used to behind-the-back passes, no-look passes, and quick bounce-passes on the break.

Similar to King, Maravich faced some internal demons as well, and fortunately, had turned his life around before his untimely death.
 
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