The All-Time Tennessee Twelve

#51
#51
I saw Houston on the night (1990?) they lost to LSU with O'Neal, Chris Jackson and the other first round draft choice, and he carried the team all night. Not much defense both teams over 100 but he was a great college player also. Also questions could be asked about the work-ethic of the coach in either coaching or recruiting, but that is another time when someone asks to rate the best coaches.
 
#58
#58
King= 25.8 ppg on 18 shots per game for his career, 59% shooting.

Maravich= 44 ppg on 37 shots per game, 43.8% shooting.
 
#59
#59
cncchris33 said:
Well, that settles it then. Lol.

The 85 more makes tells us only that Lofton shot 41.6% on his 204 more attempts.

It also tells us that Lofton relied more upon his shooting ability than anything else, whereas Allan Houston had much more well-rounded game, and could score from anywhere.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing about. If you want to opine that Lofton was a better shooter simply on volume of shots, have at it. Since we are talking about the two leaders in career 3-point attempts at UT, it's fair to say we are dealing with a more than adequate sample size for each, in spite of Lofton's 85 more makes on 204 more attempts, to determine that both were great shooters. Percentage-wise Houston was slightly better.

You missed my whole point though, which was to illustrate how close their shooting numbers were in actuality, in contrast to most people's belief that Lofton was likely a far-and-away better shooter.
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They are both great shooters. Chris Loft on is one of the handful of best in the history of college basketball.
 
#60
#60
zjcvols said:
King= 25.8 ppg on 18 shots per game for his career, 59% shooting.

Maravich= 44 ppg on 37 shots per game, 43.8% shooting.
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Maravich is not only the most prolific scorer in college basketball history, he is also one of the greatest ball handlers AND passers of all time. Maravich is probably the greatest offensive player in the history of his sport.
 
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#62
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BOP said:
Maravich is not only the most prolific scorer in college basketball history, he is also one of the greatest ball handlers AND passers of all time. Maravich is probably the greatest offensive player in the history of his sport.
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Kareem mocks this assertion.

I don't care about talent. I want results. And Pete Maravich was an inefficient ball hog that didn't play defense and was a turnover machine.
 
#63
#63
If Ray Mears told King to take 37 shots, don't worry about defense, and rebound whenever he felt like it, he would have averaged 50.
 
#64
#64
zjcvols said:
Kareem mocks this assertion.

I don't care about talent. I want results. And Pete Maravich was an inefficient ball hog that didn't play defense and was a turnover machine.
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You sound like a really boring person.
 
#65
#65
zjcvols said:
Kareem mocks this assertion.

I don't care about talent. I want results. And Pete Maravich was an inefficient ball hog that didn't play defense and was a turnover machine.
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Take back the results thing because that's not always true. Process does matter in managerial decisions.

However, with players, it doesn't matter how much talent you have, but what kind of player you are.
 
#67
#67
zjcvols said:
If Ray Mears told King to take 37 shots, don't worry about defense, and rebound whenever he felt like it, he would have averaged 50.
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If Maravich looked for premium shots and made the easy pass he would have still put up incredible numbers. Instead he chose to electrify the crowd and put on a show. If you think Maravich was just some guy who put up stats because his daddy was the coach you are delusional.
 
#68
#68
zjcvols said:
Nope. I just get simple things. 59% with 26 points and 13 boards>>>>>>>>>>>>> 43% with 44 points and no D.
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You get that Kareem was a 7'2" center and Maravich was a 6'4' guard correct?
 
#69
#69
BOP said:
You get that Kareem was a 7'2" center and Maravich was a 6'4' guard correct?
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So? How does that matter. Kareem was the two surest points ever and one of the greatest passing big men ever. I'll take all day over a 6'4 guard that took bad shots and turned it over a good bit.
 
#70
#70
BOP said:
If Maravich looked for premium shots and made the easy pass he would have still put up incredible numbers. Instead he chose to electrify the crowd and put on a show. If you think Maravich was just some guy who put up stats because his daddy was the coach you are delusional.
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Maravich had talent. Had he played with a college coach that wanted to win, it's probably different. But he got that chance in the pros, and while a very solid pro, was still an inefficient gunner that didn't play defense.
 
#71
#71
zjcvols said:
So? How does that matter. Kareem was the two surest points ever and one of the greatest passing big men ever. I'll take all day over a 6'4 guard that took bad shots and turned it over a good bit.
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Kareem Abdul jabbar had rare talents for a man of his size. Maravich had rare talents period. What does their size and the fact that one guy played a few feet from the basket and the other played on the perimeter have to do with it. You serious?
 
#72
#72
zjcvols said:
Maravich had talent. Had he played with a college coach that wanted to win, it's probably different. But he got that chance in the pros, and while a very solid pro, was still an inefficient gunner that didn't play defense.
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He's one of the greatest of all time. His combination of shooting ability, passing ability, ball handling ability is unmatched even until today. If you want to make the argument that Kareem is the best big man ever or the most dominant player ever fine, but please don't start comparing the offensive ability of any big man to any of the great guards. Give it a rest.
 
#73
#73
BOP said:
If Maravich looked for premium shots and made the easy pass he would have still put up incredible numbers. Instead he chose to electrify the crowd and put on a show. If you think Maravich was just some guy who put up stats because his daddy was the coach you are delusional.
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Ludicrous. Talented yes. Overrated massively. Never won anything because he shot willy nilly, played no D.
 
#74
#74
BOP said:
He's one of the greatest of all time. His combination of shooting ability, passing ability, ball handling ability is unmatched even until today. If you want to make the argument that Kareem is the best big man ever or the most dominant player ever fine, but please don't start comparing the offensive ability of any big man to any of the great guards. Give it a rest.
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Who cares about ability when you don't use it properly? Maybe you like being entertained but I like winning more. Maravich wasn't a winning player.

And I'm more impressed with a big man that could shoot, pass, had great post moves, and great basketball IQ over anything a guard can do unless it's a LeBron or Magic type player.
 
#75
#75
BigPapaVol said:
Ludicrous. Talented yes. Overrated massively. Never won anything because he shot willy nilly, played no D.
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I can't imagine the term overrated being used for a guy who probably isn't know by a casual basketball fan. The best ever? Maybe not. Criminally underrated? Absolutely.
 
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