The Andrew Wiggins Sweepstakes

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therealUT said:
If the only thing he is considering is whether or not he will win a national championship, then UK or UNC are probably his best choices. If he is also considering how much attention he will get from the coaches, how much guidance he will get from more veteran players, how many opportunities he will have in games, etc., then UK may be the last place he should go.

And, since the latter considerations are much more assured at KU or UNC than a national championship is even at UK, then, again, maybe UK is not the best choice.
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If he's picking a school for attention received from coaches, he'd be going to FSU in a heartbeat. He probably would receive the least attention from coaches at Kentucky, but that's simply because Kentucky has an overwhelming talent advantage over Kansas and UNC.

He'll have plenty of opportunities at every school because he'll be most talented player on the roster at any of the four. Sure, Kentucky doesn't give him a big opportunity for veteran player tutelage, but this is a kid who'd be straight to NBA if it were allowed... he's not picking a school based on how much some scrub can teach him.
 
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notabed22 said:
If he's picking a school for attention received from coaches, he'd be going to FSU in a heartbeat. He probably would receive the least attention from coaches at Kentucky, but that's simply because Kentucky has an overwhelming talent advantage over Kansas and UNC.

He'll have plenty of opportunities at every school because he'll be most talented player on the roster at any of the four. Sure, Kentucky doesn't give him a big opportunity for veteran player tutelage, but this is a kid who'd be straight to NBA if it were allowed... he's not picking a school based on how much some scrub can teach him.
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Well, I guess if you see veteran guys who will be in the NBA one day as scrubs, then your reasoning works.

I do not. I'd imagine that Wiggins is less concerned with a championship than ensuring that he gets the training, attention, and opportunities needed to lock up the number one pick in the 2014 NBA Draft and the guaranteed paycheck that comes along with it. And, that most likely leaves FSU out when Self and Roy Williams are in the mix.
 
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therealUT said:
Well, I guess if you see veteran guys who will be in the NBA one day as scrubs, then your reasoning works.

I do not. I'd imagine that Wiggins is less concerned with a championship than ensuring that he gets the training, attention, and opportunities needed to lock up the number one pick in the 2014 NBA Draft and the guaranteed paycheck that comes along with it. And, that most likely leaves FSU out when Self and Roy Williams are in the mix.
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Don't kid yourself; none of Kansas' returning veterans are going to be playing in the NBA.

If Wiggins had the option, he'd certainly choose to enter the 2013 NBA draft and be a top-three pick. He's all but guaranteed the #1 pick in 2014, so you're putting way too much importance on the training, attention and "opportunities" (yea, because Kentucky doesn't easily offer the most of those or anything...) that Wiggins really doesn't care about.

Wiggins is going to Kentucky because Kentucky is far and away the best choice of the four schools.
 
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notabed22 said:
Don't kid yourself; none of Kansas' returning veterans are going to be playing in the NBA.
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If Perry Ellis plays consistently at the level that he demonstrated he could play at this year, as a freshman, he will be in the NBA.

Your comment, however, leads me to believe that you know little to nothing about KU (both Whithey and Robinson would have never played in the NBA either, if one simply counted their first years at KU). And, since you know little to nothing about KU, your opinion regarding KU is meaningless.

UNC also has returning veterans that will play in the NBA.

So, your "scrubs" comment is also meaningless.

notabed22 said:
If Wiggins had the option, he'd certainly choose to enter the 2013 NBA draft and be a top-three pick. He's all but guaranteed the #1 pick in 2014, so you're putting way too much importance on the training, attention and "opportunities" (yea, because Kentucky doesn't easily offer the most of those or anything...) that Wiggins really doesn't care about.
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You've spoken with Wiggins? I guess I should also assume that no high school prospect of whom it was generally agreed they would be the top choice if they could declare straight out of high school has ever seen their stock fall during their freshman year. Because, after all, AAU training, attention, and opportunities are much more valuable than training, individual attention, and opportunities in college.

notabed22 said:
Wiggins is going to Kentucky because Kentucky is far and away the best choice of the four schools.
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This is funny.
 
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therealUT said:
If Perry Ellis plays consistently at the level that he demonstrated he could play at this year, as a freshman, he will be in the NBA.

Your comment, however, leads me to believe that you know little to nothing about KU (both Whithey and Robinson would have never played in the NBA either, if one simply counted their first years at KU). And, since you know little to nothing about KU, your opinion regarding KU is meaningless.

UNC also has returning veterans that will play in the NBA.

So, your "scrubs" comment is also meaningless.
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Uh, yea, Perry Ellis could play in the NBA if he consistently demonstrates the few flashes of skill he showed this year. Anyone can make the NBA if they somehow manage to consistently play at their absolute best... your point? It's not exactly likely that he's going to do this, though.

And, yea, UNC has players who will be in the NBA. I called returning veterans "scrubs." It's called taunting, and it's both easy and fun.



You've spoken with Wiggins? I guess I should also assume that no high school prospect of whom it was generally agreed they would be the top choice if they could declare straight out of high school has ever seen their stock fall during their freshman year. Because, after all, AAU training, attention, and opportunities are much more valuable than training, individual attention, and opportunities in college.
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Have you spoken to Wiggins to make the even bigger reach that he wouldn't be heading to the 2013 draft it were a possibility? You're being naive to think that he's playing college basketball because of anything other than the current rule system.

Yea, stock falls on occasion. Which, of course, simply serves to bolster my statement that he wouldn't be playing college basketball this year if he could enter the 2013 draft. However, he has to go back to college this year and Kentucky is obviously the premier option of the four schools he listed. Clearly the greatest opportunity, and your opinions about training and individual attention are nothing but conjecture. If Wiggins would indeed receive more attention at Kansas, it's simply because Kansas has a pretty embarrassing roster compared to Kentucky.


This is funny.
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No; what's funny is your deluded opinion of a weak Kansas squad. Enjoy competing for 4th-best in a weak Big 12.
 
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notabed22 said:
Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense, straw-man argument in which you assign a view to me that I do not think Wiggins would go pro if he could, nonsense, nonsense, nonsense.

And...

No; what's funny is your deluded opinion of a weak Kansas squad. Enjoy competing for 4th-best in a weak Big 12.
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Hmm...here is post in which you defend your position that you believe KU should be ranked higher in the 2013-14 Preseason Polls:

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I don't think Baylor will be able to easily replace Jackson at the point, and I'm of the opinion that Wichita State was just a flash in the pan. I think Baylor will be a Top 25 team this season (just not deserving of a 5 seed), but the Shockers don't impress me. No real reason why considering they made the Final Four this year, but I think you reshuffle the seeding and they'd have been out in the round of 32. Also, I don't like the idea of betting against Bill Self.
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I think my work here is done (since I don't feel like pinning you down to your, "I think Wiggins is leaning toward Louisville" tripe); as it is quite obvious you will say anything, even contradict yourself, in order to maintain your position.
 
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therealUT said:
Hmm...here is post in which you defend your position that you believe KU should be ranked higher in the 2013-14 Preseason Polls:



I think my work here is done (since I don't feel like pinning you down to your, "I think Wiggins is leaning toward Louisville" tripe); as it is quite obvious you will say anything, even contradict yourself, in order to maintain your position.
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Yea, I think that Kansas is ranked too low in ESPN's poll. Does that mean that there won't be three superior teams in the Big 12? That's what I thought. In any event, my opinion of Kansas' preseason ranking has no bearing on the fact that Kentucky is clearly the best fit for Wiggins.

The only question left is whether you're going to double up your Prozac or Zoloft prescription when Kansas is left out in the cold.
 
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notabed22 said:
Yea, I think that Kansas is ranked too low in ESPN's poll. Does that mean that there won't be three superior teams in the Big 12? That's what I thought. In any event, my opinion of Kansas' preseason ranking has no bearing on the fact that Kentucky is clearly the best fit for Wiggins.

The only question left is whether you're going to double up your Prozac or Zoloft prescription when Kansas is left out in the cold.
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So, a weak Big XII (your words, not mine) is going to have four teams in the Top 20?

You are making more and more sense every time you open your mouth and deep-throat your foot.
 
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Are you all just homers to think the best fit for Wiggins is KY.I think KY would be the absolute worst place for him to go to.KY has 3 returning 5 star players and already have six 5 * signed .1 there is not enough basketballs to go around at UK and there fore the players that leave UK for the draft will still be going on potential because none of them will get the ball enough to prove that they should be lottery picks. Nine 5* and a few 4* on the same team there is no way I would play for UK if I were the number one prospect in the country even if I grew up idolizing the cats. For instance look at poythress last year if he would have went to Vandy or Tennessee he would have been the man. Sure he scored 20 points a few times but just having a few other 5* sometimes he did not get the ball enough to score at all.I just do not think this team will be able to come together and play to their potential . Because none of these guys are going to UK to play major minuets and some of these 5* players will be lucky to play 13 or 14 minuets a game. There will be terrible contention between players mark it down. AND I STILL DO NOT THINK THEY WIN the SEC .The gators got a couple 5* to go along with what they had and they will gel because there will be enough baskets to go around.
 
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Brian McCat said:
This team may make the 101-40 beatdown look merciful. :p

Seriously though, don't expect Calipari to forget 88-58.
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mc cat who cares what capulari remembers . uk will have way to many 5 * and they came to get to play a lot and to get to score the ball and there will not be enough to go around .They will not gel cause of all the in fighting. If UT had not lost their only pg I would have bet 500 dollars that UT would beat UK but now it may be different.KY may have a boatload 0f 5* premi donnas but UT will have the most experienced and the best frontcourt tandem in the SEC as long as Jerron is 100 % and Stokes continues to improve. And Hubbs is as good as any of the guards UK has coming in and Jordon Mcrae is a first team all SEC and POY candidate. While UK has a few players returning most minuets will come from guys who just finished high school.
 
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VKAman said:
No...he's not.
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If you don't think Hubbs is on the same level as UK's guards then you're out of your mind. He has all the traits a shooting guard needs: Great Size, Athletic, terrific shooter, unselfish. I don't expect him to play like Micheal Jordan his 1st year but I do expect him to make a huge impact on this Tennessee team.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
If you don't think Hubbs is on the same level as UK's guards then you're out of your mind. He has all the traits a shooting guard needs: Great Size, Athletic, terrific shooter, unselfish. I don't expect him to play like Micheal Jordan his 1st year but I do expect him to make a huge impact on this Tennessee team.
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If you think Hubbs is on the same level as Andrew Harrison - as in, a top-10 pick in the 2014 draft - you're going to be sorely disappointed come November.
 
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*Calipari* *too* *prima donnas* *Jarnell* *Jordan* *minutes, unless they're planning on playing classical music*

I have no respect for someone who can't spell their own players' names correctly, much less put together a coherent paragraph of text.

volfan414life said:
mc cat who cares what capulari remembers . uk will have way to many 5 * and they came to get to play a lot and to get to score the ball and there will not be enough to go around .They will not gel cause of all the in fighting. If UT had not lost their only pg I would have bet 500 dollars that UT would beat UK but now it may be different.KY may have a boatload 0f 5* premi donnas but UT will have the most experienced and the best frontcourt tandem in the SEC as long as Jerron is 100 % and Stokes continues to improve. And Hubbs is as good as any of the guards UK has coming in and Jordon Mcrae is a first team all SEC and POY candidate. While UK has a few players returning most minuets will come from guys who just finished high school.
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