The Atlanta Braves (thread 1)

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Hell maybe the Braves can go out and sign Greg Norton. I hear he's cheap and he can play 3rd so you can get that bum Prado get out of there. He's killing you guys.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
This post is flat garbage.

The guy is an everyday starter for the first time in his career and he's hitting .320. He only has just over 1000 ab's in the league...that's only about 2 seasons total. He has 45 rbi's this year and most of the those came batting leadoff. He had 11 hr's last year and has 13 this year so far. That's GREAT gap power from a leadoff man.

Did I mention he was fielding .990?

What the hell else do you expect?

I think he is going to be a huge part of the Braves core for years.
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Arguing about whether he's going to be part of the Braves' core is entirely a semantical argument -- it's like talking about the Braves' starting pitching in 1996 and discussing whether you ought to include Denny Neagle as part of the "core" group along with Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz. The meat of the Braves' offense over the next five years is going to be Heyward, McCann, and (hopefully) Freeman. They're going to be the ones in the kitchen doing the heavy lifting. Prado and Infante are waiters. Highly skilled waiters, which you obviously need, but waiters nonetheless.

Again, I LIKE PRADO; I hope he's a Brave for years. But if an infielder who hits .311 and has good-doubles-but-not-quite-good-HR power is one of the five best players on your team, you're going to be a longshot to win the World Series.

Before you start screaming GREAT!!!!!! in all caps about him, look carefully at his career home/away numbers -- not just average, but also homers and doubles. If he played in a ballpark without Turner Field's left-center power alley, you never would have heard of him.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
But if an infielder who hits .311 and has good-doubles-but-not-quite-good-HR power is one of the five best players on your team, you're going to be a longshot to win the World Series.
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He's a freakin 2nd baseman! Not sure if you know this but guys like Jeff Kent don't just fall from the sky.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
LOL.

More garbage.

The guy is batting just under .280 and has more HR's away from home and 3 less RBI's.

Please stop.
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You can call it garbage all you want, but I bet I watch a hell of a lot more Braves games than you do. Prado's OBP is 75 points lower on the road. If he hit all the time like he hits on the road, we'd all be screaming for a different leadoff hitter. He mostly drives the ball to left-center. On the road, this results in more home runs, but also a lot more outs. With all the room out there at home, a lot more balls fall in, giving him a higher average and a lot of doubles. Turned Field is as great for him as it is awful for Nate McLouth.

I think we've established in the past that you and I don't agree about anything about baseball, so if you think that what I'm saying is garbage, then I'll take that as a pretty good sign that I'm on the right track.
 
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Not to make a direct comparison, but don't the Yankees sort of disprove the theory of not being able to win if one of your top players is a .311 hitting infielder with gap power?

I'm also not quite following the Left Center power alley theory since it's Right Center where all the room is at Turner Field. Yeah it's big, but 380 to LCF and 400 to CF isn't huge.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You can call it garbage all you want, but I bet I watch a hell of a lot more Braves games than you do. Prado's OBP is 75 points lower on the road. If he hit all the time like he hits on the road, we'd all be screaming for a different leadoff hitter. He mostly drives the ball to left-center. On the road, this results in more home runs, but also a lot more outs. With all the room out there at home, a lot more balls fall in, giving him a higher average and a lot of doubles. Turned Field is as great for him as it is awful for Nate McLouth.

I think we've established in the past that you and I don't agree about anything about baseball, so if you think that what I'm saying is garbage, then I'll take that as a pretty good sign that I'm on the right track.
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Yep I never watch the Braves. They're only on every night.

There is no disagreement here. Believe that. Your assessment of Prado is flat wrong.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Thank god Heyward got a hit there because there was an automatic out on deck.
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You debate like my wife -- hysterically and sarcastically. You don't have a great rack and drink Guinness, do you?

VOLinthaATL said:
He's a freakin 2nd baseman! Not sure if you know this but guys like Jeff Kent don't just fall from the sky.
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That's why second baseman are rarely anything but role players. Again, I like him a hell of a lot. But the fact that he's one of the best players on the team says a lot more about the team than it does him.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Yep I never watch the Braves. They're only on every night.

There is no disagreement here. Believe that. Your assessment of Prado is flat wrong.
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we need to switch places. I'm in Ohio, and watch the Reds all the time and don't hardly ever get to watch the Braves. Just follow on gamecast
 
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#10,591
I'm really pulling for a Braves-Reds NLCS so I can go and see the Braves play! Unfortunately, my record in Cincy is really bad.
 
#10,594
#10,594
They're all waiters. If Jeter or Pedroia or Reyes is the best hitter on your team, you're not winning anything. There's a reason why just about every WS winner for the last 25 years has had at least one 30 HR guy on the roster. You can have all the slap and tickle guys on the roster you want, but if you want to win in October, you need to have horses in the lineup behind them.
 
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GAVol said:
Not to make a direct comparison, but don't the Yankees sort of disprove the theory of not being able to win if one of your top players is a .311 hitting infielder with gap power?

I'm also not quite following the Left Center power alley theory since it's Right Center where all the room is at Turner Field. Yeah it's big, but 380 to LCF and 400 to CF isn't huge.
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When Prado has a season where he hits .350 and hits 24 homers like Jeter did, then I'll agree that it's a direct comparison. It's an interesting point, though, because the Yankees did win titles when Jeter was basically a .310, 10 homer guy -- and when he was, he had guys like Bernie Williams and Tino Martinez carrying the lumber behind him. Despite the early adulation, he wasn't one of the best players on the team in 1996 when the Yankees first started their run.

Right center is obviously a lot bigger -- just ask Nate McLouth -- but there's a lot of room in left-center too, and it has a huge effect on Prado's stats. Every year. This isn't an isolated thing.
 
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