The Atlanta Braves Thread (Javy Lopez Edition)

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VOLinthaNATI said:
I mean, that's fine but it proves how absurdly overrated WAR is, was, and always has been in measuring a players value.
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It's a highly debatable stat for sure, but really isn't driving in 50 and saving 40 the same as driving in 90?
 
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Let's look at a scenario.

Say leading off the top of 1 tonight the Phillies leadoff hitter smashes a ball to short that Simmons makes an incredible play on and throws said hitter out a first, thus saving a base hit. Then the next batter smokes a bomb out of the stadium into the Lexus Lot.

Did Simmons "save" a run in this scenario?
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
Let's look at a scenario.

Say leading off the top of 1 tonight the Phillies leadoff hitter smashes a ball to short that Simmons makes an incredible play on and throws said hitter out a first, thus saving a base hit. Then the next batter smokes a bomb out of the stadium into the Lexus Lot.

Did Simmons "save" a run in this scenario?
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Well if the first runner had gotten on then the home run would've scored 2 instead of 1, so yes
 
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vol2013 said:
Well if the first runner had gotten on then the home run would've scored 2 instead of 1, so yes
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It also assumes that with a runner on first the 2nd hitter gets a good enough pitch in order to hit a home run right? As if the pitcher pitches the same way with runners on as he does with the bases empty.

Absurd.
 
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I will admit that defensive numbers are not totally full proof and your eyes need to back up the stats (or vice versa).
 
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Depending on which portion of the Lexus lot, I do believe that'd be a foul ball. Thus, no runs are scored and we are all dumber for reading your scenario.

Alas, with the leadoff hitter on first base, the pitchers attention is diverted and he's also more likely to throw fastballs to keep the guy from stealing. Making it MORE likely the 2 hole hitter takes a dip into the fair portion of the Lexus lot.

Simmons may have just saved two runs, kemosabe.
 
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TBrown said:
Depending on which portion of the Lexus lot, I do believe that'd be a foul ball. Thus, no runs are scored and we are all dumber for reading your scenario.

Alas, with the leadoff hitter on first base, the pitchers attention is diverted and he's also more likely to throw fastballs to keep the guy from stealing. Making it MORE likely the 2 hole hitter takes a dip into the fair portion of the Lexus lot.

Simmons may have just saved two runs, kemosabe.
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My recollection of where the Lexus Lot might be off. No argument.

However the rest is not how it works in my opinion. Ever heard the term "bear down?" Specifically used towards a pitcher with runners on?

And you proved my point by using "may"
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
My recollection of where the Lexus Lot might be off. No argument.

However the rest is not how it works in my opinion. Ever heard the term "bear down?" Specifically used towards a pitcher with runners on?

And you proved my point by using "may"
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Like Brandon Phillips "bears down" with runners in scoring position?
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
If players were actually robots and approached all situations the same they might have a bit more merit.
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Not sure what "robots" have to do. A ton of stat guys understand that you have to let your eyes confirm. For example, I don't need stats to tell that Jason Heyward is the best defensive RF in baseball, and the same with Andrelton Simmons. I know that while Freeman (numbers wise) isn't great on defense, I watch him play every day and know that he is incredible at scooping balls from the dirt and saves a ton of runs by that (and in the links I listed, they admit to not use first base defensive stats for much influence...same with catcher).
 
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zjcvols said:
Not sure what "robots" have to do. A ton of stat guys understand that you have to let your eyes confirm. For example, I don't need stats to tell that Jason Heyward is the best defensive RF in baseball, and the same with Andrelton Simmons. I know that while Freeman (numbers wise) isn't great on defense, I watch him play every day and know that he is incredible at scooping balls from the dirt and saves a ton of runs by that (and in the links I listed, they admit to not use first base defensive stats for much influence...same with catcher).
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Do you watch other right fielders on a nightly basis? What about other SS? If not, you have no point.

You're also changing the conversation.
 
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