The Atlanta Braves Thread (Javy Lopez Edition)

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VOLinthaNATI said:
Do you watch other right fielders on a nightly basis? What about other SS? If not, you have no point.
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I do (maybe not on a 120 game basis). But also what scouts say. What people around the league say, etc. etc.

Really not incredibly difficult to comprehend.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
Funny that we've moved to assuming I don't "comprehend" good defense and how important it is. I mean, come on...
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zjcvols said:
Well, you don't care what scouts say and you basically consider defensive numbers worthless. I'd like to hear how you evaluate defense other than "I just trust my eyes 100%".
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What a freaking joke Z. Where have I ever said defense is not important? Find one instance please.

Give me a break.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
What a freaking joke Z. Where have I ever said defense is not important? Find one instance please.

Give me a break.
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I don't even know where you got the idea that I said you think defense is worthless.

I asked how you evaluate defense.
 
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zjcvols said:
Well, you don't care what scouts say and you basically consider defensive numbers worthless. I'd like to hear how you evaluate defense other than "I just trust my eyes 100%".
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That's not "defense is worthless"
 
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zjcvols said:
I do (maybe not on a 120 game basis). But also what scouts say. What people around the league say, etc. etc.

Really not incredibly difficult to comprehend.
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VOLinthaNATI said:
I don't care what "whocaresimascoutdude" says...
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VOLinthaNATI said:
Funny that we've moved to assuming I don't "comprehend" good defense and how important it is. I mean, come on...
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zjcvols said:
Well, you don't care what scouts say and you basically consider defensive numbers worthless. I'd like to hear how you evaluate defense other than "I just trust my eyes 100%".
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VOLinthaNATI said:
Talking baseball is always fun.
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At no point in this exchange did you actually talk baseball. Z talked about the different information that he takes in to form his opinions. You said "I don't care". Fantastic discourse.
 
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NochNoch said:
At no point in this exchange did you actually talk baseball. Z talked about the different information that he takes in to form his opinions. You said "I don't care". Fantastic discourse.
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Lol. Did you or anyone actually read the Bradley article I posted an comment on it other than GA? You know, the article that basically started all this?

Kick rocks with your "discourse" drivel bruh...
 
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Simmons is most likely considered better on D and saves more runs than Tulo right? Is the difference enough to make up for the colossal difference in offensive numbers? Even close?
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
How so? Is the Bradley article I posted only about defense? If not, why are we only discussing defensive numbers?
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I haven't even mentioned the Bradley article nor did you ever address it towards me, so I'm not sure what your original argument is.

Do I think Mark Bradley had a legitimate point about how valuable Simmons has been on the defensive end? Yes. Do I agree with him that Freeman is the team MVP and that Andrelton hasn't done enough at the plate to warrant this hypothetical award? Yes.
 
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zjcvols said:
I haven't even mentioned the Bradley article nor did you ever address it towards me, so I'm not sure what your original argument is.

Do I think Mark Bradley had a legitimate point about how valuable Simmons has been on the defensive end? Yes. Do I agree with him that Freeman is the team MVP and that Andrelton hasn't done enough at the plate to warrant this hypothetical award? Yes.
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Yet thier WARs are the same?
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
Simmons is most likely considered better on D and saves more runs than Tulo right? Is the difference enough to make up for the colossal difference in offensive numbers? Even close?
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Consider Tulo is a top five defensive shortstop, and produces a high number of defensive runs saved, no.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
Yet thier WARs are the same?
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That's because defensive metrics are not reliable for first baseman. Freeman ranks average while Simmons is the best defender in baseball on those numbers. If Freeman sucked like Prince Fielder on defense, I'd probably make a better case for Simmons overall.
 
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zjcvols said:
That's because defensive metrics are not reliable for first baseman. Freeman ranks average while Simmons is the best defender in baseball on those numbers. If Freeman sucked like Prince Fielder on defense, I'd probably make a better case for Simmons overall.
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Fielder is a good example. Is he bad enough on D that you'd rather have LaRoche?
 
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