The Auburn Postgame Report

[bamacheats]

For all the accomplishments of Pearl, he had no F'n idea how to identify a pg.

 

[zansdad]

because they are over. this team as long as martin is the coach will never average in the 80's i guarantee it, there will be games where shots fall and we'll score 80 sure but not average 80. since martin has been a coach his teams havent averaged over 70 ppg, its just not his style of play. his guys at missouri state could shoot the lights out there but they didnt average 80, its a slow style of play. its hard to score 80 when you are slowing down the game, youd have to shoot about 65%.

If you say so, I still think it is more a product of talent than coaching style. The man has been a head coach for 4 seasons now, 3 of which have been rebuilding years. Not really much of a sample size. Pearl's last 3 seasons averaged in the high 60's-low 70's (because of his players not his style.) Does than mean if he gets back into coaching his teams will all play in the 60's?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

lots of stuff there.
1) Based on your own posts (Martin is a defense 1st guy) McBee is not on the floor for only one thing. He hustles, he defends to the best of his ability (granted he is limited athletically),he is one of the few back court guys that makes good decisions night in and night out, he rebounds well for his height and position, and he adds a certain toughness some on this team lack (just watch him if he ever gets in a jump ball situation) And while 2-7 isn't great, it isn't horrible either (28%), simply making one of the 5 misses makes him 42% with is exception, and his season average.

2) 12 feet away is not the low post. Maybe I didn't state that. Maymon cannot beat a PF in the SEC 1-on-1 in the low post. He doesn't have enough lift to get his shot off. He shoots around people. Thus why he likes to face up and drive past his man.

3) Some teams have doubled Stokes, and he is a load for any PF in college basketball. BUT he is usually playing the 5 and is being guarded by a man 2 to 3 inches taller than him. Thus he has also looked his best when he is 10-12ft from the basket, again, not what I think of as the low post.

4) I don't think Vandy double either of these guys and I doubt that Kentucky or Florida will either. Other than the fact that UT is turnover prone and a quick aggressive double team tends to lead to quick turn over's against UT. Georgia doubled them I believe, but Georgia wasn't very deep or talented in the paint.

ok where to start...

1. if you look above your post i clarified and said he is out there for hustle. ok but he didnt make that one you cant make that arguement. if tatum simply hits 4 of his then he is 4 of 9 which is pretty good. mcbee shot poorly simple as that.

2. well first of all maymon doesnt play against pf he is a c and goes against the oppositions c. he hung with anthony davis 1 on 1, outplayed patric young 1 on 1, outplayed andre drummond 1 on 1. you do realize that is 3 lottery picks that he played and beat 1 on 1 except for davis who he still had a good game against right? suggesting he cant take guys 1 on 1 is ludacris, this is why he is double teamed now on the catch because he is a nightmare 1 on 1..

3. you once again are wrong. stokes is our 4 and against every team except vanderbilt was guarded by the opposing 4. he played against oriaki uconn's 4 and outplayed him. he played against murphy uf 4 and outplayed him. he played against terrence jones uk's pf and out played him...get the picture???he's a pf, pf positions stretches out to around 18 feet or so thats the position. once again, he is hard to guard 1 on 1 thats why they double him now on the catch as well.

4. florida didnt double us because we didnt play them when we had stokes. vanderbilt did double us on occasion but not everytime it was more of just a random call made, but they did double the post. auburn doubled just about every chance they had tonight.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

If you say so, I still think it is more a product of talent than coaching style. The man has been a head coach for 4 seasons now, 3 of which have been rebuilding years. Not really much of a sample size. Pearl's last 3 seasons averaged in the high 60's-low 70's (because of his players not his style.) Does than mean if he gets back into coaching his teams will all play in the 60's?

if i say so? your the one that said he runs the style vandy does and they have they best 3 point shooting team around man. ccm isnt gonna find better 3 pt shooters than what they have, so if we run the same style how are we gonna score 10 more points than they do? that doesnt even make sense...and

why do you continue to state false information? pearls last 3 teams genius:

2010-2011-71ppg
2009-2010-74ppg
2008-2009-78ppg

 

[zansdad]

and vandy who you referenced earlier doesnt even average 80 my friend. they have averaged in the low 70's for the last 5 years, its a slow down style. your teams that average in the 80's are run and gun they dont take but about 10 seconds off the shot clock, so they have more possesions which equals more scoring.

How many BCS schools average in the 80's (A. 4)? especially in conference play(A. NONE)? And most of that 80ppg average comes from running it up on people in the soft non-confernce portion of the schedule not some offensive philosophy. If you want to watch teams run up and down the floor, your probably not going to find it much in the BCS conferences. And besides UT has averaged in the 80's since 2007, so it's not like it's something new.

 

[zansdad]

ok where to start...

1. if you look above your post i clarified and said he is out there for hustle. ok but he didnt make that one you cant make that arguement. if tatum simply hits 4 of his then he is 4 of 9 which is pretty good. mcbee shot poorly simple as that.

2. well first of all maymon doesnt play against pf he is a c and goes against the oppositions c. he hung with anthony davis 1 on 1, outplayed patric young 1 on 1, outplayed andre drummond 1 on 1. you do realize that is 3 lottery picks that he played and beat 1 on 1 except for davis who he still had a good game against right? suggesting he cant take guys 1 on 1 is ludacris, this is why he is double teamed now on the catch because he is a nightmare 1 on 1..

3. you once again are wrong. stokes is our 4 and against every team except vanderbilt was guarded by the opposing 4. he played against oriaki uconn's 4 and outplayed him. he played against murphy uf 4 and outplayed him. he played against terrence jones uk's pf and out played him...get the picture???he's a pf, pf positions stretches out to around 18 feet or so thats the position. once again, he is hard to guard 1 on 1 thats why they double him now on the catch as well.

4. florida didnt double us because we didnt play them when we had stokes. vanderbilt did double us on occasion but not everytime it was more of just a random call made, but they did double the post. auburn doubled just about every chance they had tonight.

you refer back to your posts a lot. You do realize that while people are typing a post they do not constantly check back to see what else you may or may not have posted since the last time they looked. Understand that message boards are not real time and that just because you typed it and posted it doesn't mean it's been read by anyone.

Your response about "if tatum simply hits 4 of his then he is 4 of 9 which is pretty good" shows you have decided to argue absurd things so I am just going to let this whole thing die. You win sir. :mf_surrender::mf_surrender: I will move on to discussions with people a little more my own speed.

 

[zansdad]

if i say so? your the one that said he runs the style vandy does and they have they best 3 point shooting team around man. ccm isnt gonna find better 3 pt shooters than what they have, so if we run the same style how are we gonna score 10 more points than they do? that doesnt even make sense...and

why do you continue to state false information? pearls last 3 teams genius:

2010-2011-71ppg
2009-2010-74ppg
2008-2009-78ppg

You are correct about 2008-2009. I was looking at conference averages. However, Statsheet.com has UT's average for 2010-2011 at 69ppg. And no need to get snippy at the end there. As far as the rest of it, I feel like we are arguing different things, so I am just going to give it a rest.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

How many BCS schools average in the 80's (A. 4)? especially in conference play(A. NONE)? And most of that 80ppg average comes from running it up on people in the soft non-confernce portion of the schedule not some offensive philosophy. If you want to watch teams run up and down the floor, your probably not going to find it much in the BCS conferences. And besides UT has averaged in the 80's since 2007, so it's not like it's something new.

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO POST FALSE INFORMATION???

According to ncaa website there are currently 14 teams averaging over 80 a game. 8 of which are in major conferences which you say they arent. please quit posting made up facts.

i thought you said pearl's recent teams were in the 60's now you are saying ut has averaged in the 80's since 07? make up your mind?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

you refer back to your posts a lot. You do realize that while people are typing a post they do not constantly check back to see what else you may or may not have posted since the last time they looked. Understand that message boards are not real time and that just because you typed it and posted it doesn't mean it's been read by anyone.

Your response about "if tatum simply hits 4 of his then he is 4 of 9 which is pretty good" shows you have decided to argue absurd things so I am just going to let this whole thing die. You win sir. :mf_surrender::mf_surrender: I will move on to discussions with people a little more my own speed.

YOUR THE ONE THAT STARTED STATING IF MCBEE HITS THIS SHOT OR THAT SHOT HIS PERCENTAGE IS GOOD, I MEAN SERIOUSLY? IF IF IF

well once you started claiming that maymon is the pf and stokes the c i realized i was having a discussion with someone who doesnt even know the lineup for UT, nevermind anything about basketball in general.

 

[bham_orange]

1. Nice to see the team come back from a really bad loss and beat a team they should. Good job today.

2. It was really nice to see Jordan McRae step up. Did a good job on the boards and I actually thought he should have taken more shots.

3. Speaking of McRae, I think it's time to start Jordan McRae over Cam Tatum. It would just be best.

4. Please, for all that is good in the world, can we please get Maymon and Stokes more shots!? Please!?

5. You know why Coach Martin wants to make this program about defense? Because of tonight's shooting. Horrible offense, but still a 15 point win because of great defense (and some bad offense from Auburn).

6. I thought Trae did a good job not forcing things. But it's obvious it's still a work in progress.

7. 12 turnovers in a half? Ugh, we have to stop that. That was the biggest negative tonight.

8. Good, solid win. We did what we were suppose to do. Now, let's shock the world Tuesday against Kentucky!

Cam Tatum had a bad night, but I still like his game. He really seems to step it up in big games. I wouldn't mind seeing Jordan get some more of Josh Richardson's minutes though. Even when Cam is playing bad the opposition still has to respect his outside shooting ability, and I love Cam's perimeter D. He knows how to use his long arms to deflect passes in the passing lane. I just am not seeing enough from Richardson to keep his starting role.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Cam Tatum had a bad night, but I still like his game. He really seems to step it up in big games. I wouldn't mind seeing Jordan get some more of Josh Richardson's minutes though. Even when Cam is playing bad the opposition still has to respect his outside shooting ability, and I love Cam's perimeter D. He knows how to use his long arms to deflect passes in the passing lane. I just am not seeing enough from Richardson to keep his starting role.

itd be nice if he came out strong against UK. we need everybody on their A game.

 

[bham_orange]

itd be nice if he came out strong against UK. we need everybody on their A game.

I agree

 

[zansdad]

YOUR THE ONE THAT STARTED STATING IF MCBEE HITS THIS SHOT OR THAT SHOT HIS PERCENTAGE IS GOOD, I MEAN SERIOUSLY? IF IF IF

well once you started claiming that maymon is the pf and stokes the c i realized i was having a discussion with someone who doesnt even know the lineup for UT, nevermind anything about basketball in general.

Okay, big guy maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone is listed as Center when they show starting line ups. UTsports.com lists them both as Forwards. Can you tell me where you get that Maymon is the Center and Stokes isn't?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Okay, big guy maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone is listed as Center when they show starting line ups. UTsports.com lists them both as Forwards. Can you tell me where you get that Maymon is the Center and Stokes isn't?

well lets see when we play uf and maymon guards their center and we play uga and maymon guards their center and when we play uconn and maymon guards their center and when we play vanderbilt and maymon guards their center and when we play auburn and maymon guards their center.

 

[zansdad]

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO POST FALSE INFORMATION???

According to ncaa website there are currently 14 teams averaging over 80 a game. 8 of which are in major conferences which you say they arent. please quit posting made up facts.

i thought you said pearl's recent teams were in the 60's now you are saying ut has averaged in the 80's since 07? make up your mind?

Which 8 are in "BCS conferenses?" I will admit that I missed Oregon St. So 5, but I don't see 8. I will list the 14 if you like and you can point them out to me.

UNC, Virginia Military, Iona, Missouri, Oregon State, UNC-Asheville, Florida, Creighton, Belmont, South Dakota State, Duke, and Charleston Southern.

As for averaging in the 80's since '07, that was a simple typo and should have said "hasn't". While it was a mistake on my part I think it is pretty clear in context and you are just pointing it out because you needed a second point here.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Which 8 are in "BCS conferenses?" I will admit that I missed Oregon St. So 5, but I don't see 8. I will list the 14 if you like and you can point them out to me.

UNC, Virginia Military, Iona, Missouri, Oregon State, UNC-Asheville, Florida, Creighton, Belmont, South Dakota State, Duke, and Charleston Southern.

As for averaging in the 80's since '07, that was a simple typo and should have said "hasn't". While it was a mistake on my part I think it is pretty clear in context and you are just pointing it out because you needed a second point here.

your right im psychic i should know what you meant to say. your the one that freaked out when i said the days of playing in the 80's are over, and then went on to say that with the players we'd score in the 80's just look at vanderbilt. well that was WRONG

 

[zansdad]

well lets see when we play uf and maymon guards their center and we play uga and maymon guards their center and when we play uconn and maymon guards their center and when we play vanderbilt and maymon guards their center and when we play auburn and maymon guards their center.

My point is that since the official starting line-ups list 2 forwards and 3 gaurds, why do you insist on calling one of them the Center. And if one of them really is the center and the other the forward, wouldn't you think the one that NEVER switches ball screens is the center and the one that does switch ball screens is the forward? Honest questions here.

 

[zansdad]

your right im psychic i should know what you meant to say. your the one that freaked out when i said the days of playing in the 80's are over, and then went on to say that with the players we'd score in the 80's just look at vanderbilt. well that was WRONG

Okay, so you have stopped actually having a conversation and just moved on to bold, all-caps, red letters to prove your point. fair enough.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

My point is that since the official starting line-ups list 2 forwards and 3 gaurds, why do you insist on calling one of them the Center. And if one of them really is the center and the other the forward, wouldn't you think the one that NEVER switches ball screens is the center and the one that does switch ball screens is the forward? Honest questions here.

no actually stokes does switch just not as often as maymon. maymon is better defensively at this point than stokes, your talking about a hs kid defensively. like i said oppositions centers match up on maymon and maymon always draws there center. our offense technically is a 2 forward lineup but for technical sake since you did refer to maymon as the power forward i felt compelled to correct you.

when you were doing your whole 1 on 1 you continued to say maymon cant take a pf 1 on 1. if you watched the games and knew what position drummond, davis, or young played you would know they are centers and not pf.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Okay, so you have stopped actually having a conversation and just moved on to bold, all-caps, red letters to prove your point. fair enough.

because you continue to try and dance around statements you made which were flat out wrong. you said that with shooters we would score 80, just like vandy. well vandy doesnt score 80 therefore thats wrong. pretty simple yet you dont seem to grasp it. kind of like the maymon prince thing.

 

[zansdad]

no actually stokes does switch just not as often as maymon. maymon is better defensively at this point than stokes, your talking about a hs kid defensively. like i said oppositions centers match up on maymon and maymon always draws there center. our offense technically is a 2 forward lineup but for technical sake since you did refer to maymon as the power forward i felt compelled to correct you.

Chubb and Stokes opened on each other tonight. Chubb is 1 of only 2 players on Auburn's roster(that I see) listed as a center. I still think Martin just thinks of them as both as Forwards, but based on your logic, of who guards whom, wouldn't this make Stokes the center? If Maymon is the Center and Stokes the forward, then why does Maymon help on press break and not Stokes or Hall. If Maymon is the Center does that mean Hall is the PF when the two are in together?

 

[zansdad]

because you continue to try and dance around statements you made which were flat out wrong. you said that with shooters we would score 80, just like vandy. well vandy doesnt score 80 therefore thats wrong. pretty simple yet you dont seem to grasp it. kind of like the maymon prince thing.

I didn't say we would score in the 80's. I brought up Vandy as evidence that Martin doesn't necessarily play this slow it down grind it out game you think he does by choice. You said we would be in the 60's from here on out with coach Martin, and while that is obviously true about this season, I still think it about the players not the coach that makes it so.

Do you always insult people when you post? I don't mind the debate, but your constant need to insult me simply because I don't agree with you seems a bit uncalled for. If however, that is your MO, I will just chalk it up to "you being you" and move on.

 

[zjcvols]

Cam Tatum had a bad night, but I still like his game. He really seems to step it up in big games. I wouldn't mind seeing Jordan get some more of Josh Richardson's minutes though. Even when Cam is playing bad the opposition still has to respect his outside shooting ability, and I love Cam's perimeter D. He knows how to use his long arms to deflect passes in the passing lane. I just am not seeing enough from Richardson to keep his starting role.

I don't understand it, but Cam always plays better off the bench than starting. I think it's time to give McRae another chance, he's playing better.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Chubb and Stokes opened on each other tonight. Chubb is 1 of only 2 players on Auburn's roster(that I see) listed as a center. I still think Martin just thinks of them as both as Forwards, but based on your logic, of who guards whom, wouldn't this make Stokes the center? If Maymon is the Center and Stokes the forward, then why does Maymon help on press break and not Stokes or Hall. If Maymon is the Center does that mean Hall is the PF when the two are in together?

No he didn't try watching the game again only on switches did he end up guarding their center. Yes as I said Martin sees them both as forwards but maymon goes against the oppositions center 99.9% of the time. So when you continued to refer to maymon can't take the pf 1 on 1 well that was a misleading statement the pf isn't guarding him usually is the center. Seriously what does position have to do with press break? Maymon is our 2nd best ball handler on the team, does that make him a pf instead of a center, no! Lebron James brings the ball up the court 99% of the time, so is he the pg now, apparently according to your theory. There's no rule that says whoever brings the ball up or helps on press break cant be a center. I know this is about go get complicated so hold in to your seat. When hall comes in for stokes maymon slides to pf and hall plays c. When hall comes in for maymon stokes stays at pf and hall is the center. Why do you think when say yemi comes in for stokes that maymon no longer guards the oppositions center? Because yemi becomes the center an maymon replaces stokes at pf, it's really pretty simple. You continuing to say well he dribbles, well he press breaks, well he switches that's doesn't meant anything except he is a versatile center. He is technically a forward, but as far as who he matches up against he is our center and that was the disagreement, your referring to maymon being guarded by pf and stokes by a center, that was just wrong. Once again since stokes came in, uk stoke/jones & maymon/davis that pf to pf and c to c, against Uconn maymon vs Drummond and stokes va oriaki that's c to c pf to pf. The only game in which this wasn't try was against Vanderbilt ezeli guarded stokes, but in defense maymon guarded ezeli who guess what is their center.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

]I didn't say we would score in the 80's.[/B] I brought up Vandy as evidence that Martin doesn't necessarily play this slow it down grind it out game you think he does by choice. You said we would be in the 60's from here on out with coach Martin, and while that is obviously true about this season, I still think it about the players not the coach that makes it so.

Do you always insult people when you post? I don't mind the debate, but your constant need to insult me simply because I don't agree with you seems a bit uncalled for. If however, that is your MO, I will just chalk it up to "you being you" and move on.

heres what I said, and you quoted "the days of averaging in the 80's are overs my friend, get used to basketball in the 60's."

heres what you say..."I was disagreeing with this statement. and your implication (in this specific post) that this was a result of Martins philosophy about offense. We are playing basketball in the 60's not because of Martin's coaching style but because of the offensive talent level of his players. If he had goes that could knock down open looks, this team would be in the 80's every night, but he doesn't so they aren't. It's not that the offense looks stagnate (like last year) or that players are jacking up wild 3's (like earlier this year). It's a matter of making shots, which this team cannot do well ( and not turning it over 20 times a game helps too)

*I didn't mean to start a fight here. I just was pointing out something in one post. I didn't do 90 minute background check on your other posts to see what your normal vibe is on all things basketball. Sorry if I misinterpreted things.

you are now saying you didnt say that we would score in the 80's, please read your quote you clearly did. i also still cant understand why you won accept that this is how martin plays? he has said on numerours occasion he like to play in the 60's with efficient basketball, everyone of his teams is evidence he doesnt want to score in the 80's. heres a link for you, read: it states in the article martin prefers to score in the 60's

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links to missouri state teams:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...auto_pdf/2010-11/stats/season_stats_final.pdf

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...auto_pdf/2009-10/stats/season_stats_final.pdf

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools.../auto_pdf/2008-9/stats/season_stats_final.pdf

only 1 of those teams averaged over 70 and it was 71, like it or not martin style doesnt have his teams scoring in the 80's no matter who the shooters are. he had shooters at missouri state they hit a good percentage of their shots.

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heres what you have to realize cuonzo wants to play slow, last years team had the 15th fewest possesion per game in the ncaa but at the same time was ranked in the top 15 in the country for points per possesion, thats called efficiency. he wants his teams to play slow basketball and to take care of the basketball, as long as his teams rank in the bottom of possesions per game they arent going to be high scoring its very simple.

One other little note here since you seem to think shooters would make us average 20 more points, tennessee this year averages almost 21 3's a game thats about 2 more than what his msu teams averaged. they average 7 makes a game which is 35.3%, not a bad number really. well lets say they shoot 40% which is outstanding, that would give them 8 3's a game. i'll do the math for you, we are shooting more 3's than he probably wants, shooting a decent percentage, and if we shot 40% from 3 would only average 3 more points per game. right now in conference tennessee average 58 ppg + the 3 extra if we shot 40% and thatd be 61 ppg we would score if we shot the 3 like you suggest. the point is you cant score 80 points per game in the style that coach martin wants to play, there simply are not enough possesion. if tennessee were to score 80+ points their points/possesion would be head and shoulders above everyone else in the country, it's not even plausible to average 80 points in this system, hell it'd be hard to average 75