The Bash Juan Montoya Thread!!!

#353
#353
doozer said:
further proof that Harvick is a moron and spends more time trying to be hard than he does racing. talk about not thinking before you open your mouth.

edit: where did that Lady Vols thing come from?
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I made it for VolChick21. I got everything from the website.
 
#354
#354
i was more wondering how it got into my post, but i think i some how managed to click the icon in the Go Advanced posting options.
 
#355
#355
I am a Harvick fan and I hate Montoya so of course I am taking Harvick's side. :p

This is MY OPINION on what happened. If you think I am biased, oh well.

Montoya was blocking Truex and Truex spun him out on purpose. Montoya took out Harvick in the process (accidentally) and then Burton ended up hitting Montoya (accidentally) who was still in the middle of the track.

Harvick did drive his car over to Montoya's and he did get out of his car and went over to "talk" to him. They exchanged words. I can understand why Harvick was po'd and it was because Montoya had wrecked him before (intentionally) and he probably thought that he had done it again. Montoya was the first one to put his hands on Harvick. Harvick didn't back down, I would have been disappointed in him if he did. There is a difference in someone running their mouth, like Harvick did and then someone putting their hands on you. I don't blame Harvick for getting mad about that.

They will probably both get fined, which I think is stupid. This was a racing deal, words were exchanged, no one got hurt, it's over and done with. Harvick was one of the first drivers that welcomed Montoya to Nascar with "open arms." The things that were said between them during and after the race will all die down soon and things will go back to the way they were.

The fan running onto the track and trying to get Kenseth's autograph during the red flag and the Harvick & Montoya ordeal made watching the race worthwhile. I have never been a big fan of the road courses, but I am starting to warm up to them a little bit.
 
#356
#356
The blocking is done on every restart - no justification for Truex hitting him.

Montoya walks away at least 2x from Harvick but Harvick goes back and grabs him.

I just don't see how this one can be pinned on Montoya.
 
#357
#357
When has Montoya intentionally wrecked Harvick before?

Sabanocchio, that's right, I remember now. I don't actually remember the on-track incident, but I remember both Nemechek and Harvick getting out of their cars and exchanging pleasantries. Nemechek has always been one of those guys that talks a lot as well.
 
#358
#358
I have to commend Harvick on not taking it to the extreme. He did a lot less than I would have. Once someone put their hands on me, it would have been time to fight. :chair:
 
#359
#359
Montoya wrecked Harvick in the Pepsi 400. You may have thought it was an accident, but I thought it was intentional and I am not the only one that thought that.

As far as Montoya blocking Truex, he is probably used to doing that sort of thing coming from F-1. I have noticed that they do a lot of that in F-1 and it's just part of it. Maybe he just isn't used to the difference in speeds or something. You can block and get out of the way quicker in F-1.

For those of you that watched him during his F-1 career, was he involved in a lot of wrecks there too? Did he wreck people on purpose if they didn't get out of his way? I don't know the answer to that and that is why I am asking. I am wondering where all of this agressive driving is coming from. I know that it's his rookie season in Nascar and he has a lot to learn, but he has been involved in a bunch of wrecks.

The only thing that I have against him at this point is his attitude. He came into Nascar with a holier than thou attitude and it rubbed me the wrong way. When he isn't involved in wrecks, I think his driving is ok. If he would change his attitude, I may grow to like him. I felt the same way about Kyle & Kurt Busch, but I like them both now.
 
#360
#360
I saw quite a few blocking moves going into Turn 1.

I don't remember JPM having any reputation for wrecking people. Certainly not from his CART days.
 
#361
#361
Montoya was fighting an ill-handling car in the Pepsi 400. He was practically sideways coming out of turn two and just lost control/over corrected the car and Harvick just happened to be there.

The only incident from this season that I'd call intentional on Montoya's part was his blatant punt of Tony Raines at Martinsville. It was just as blatant as Truex' punt of Montoya yesterday. I didn't see the race live, just the highlights, and all that I saw was when the cars were already in turn one. Guys block all the time, especially going into turn one at Watkins Glen since that is a prime passing location... the only time you can fault the car in front when contact occurs is if they're late with their block and the car they're trying to block is already beside them, such as Pruett/Montoya in Mexico this season. If you're not even beside the guy in front of you, you have to slow down and concede the corner... or just plow right through the guy in front of you, which is the course of action Truex decided to take, for whatever reason.
 
#362
#362
as I was watching the replays of the wreck, it looked to me as if Jimmy Johnson came through the wreck and slammed into the front of Harvick's car. It wasn't JPM getting into the rear of Harvick that took him out of the race, rather it was the damage done by the 48 car.
 
#363
#363
tidwell said:
When has Montoya intentionally wrecked Harvick before?

Sabanocchio, that's right, I remember now. I don't actually remember the on-track incident, but I remember both Nemechek and Harvick getting out of their cars and exchanging pleasantries. Nemechek has always been one of those guys that talks a lot as well.
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Yeah, someone got into Joe, can't remember who, and he go t sideways into K-Harv. The wreck took out a bunch of cars. They were smacking each other like girls with their helmets still on.
 
#364
#364
The only thing I remember about it was Harvick walking away and Nemechek stomping after him seemingly saying, "Where are you going?! Don't you turn your back on me! I'm Joe Nemechek!"
 
#365
#365
JennVols said:
Montoya wrecked Harvick in the Pepsi 400. You may have thought it was an accident, but I thought it was intentional and I am not the only one that thought that.

As far as Montoya blocking Truex, he is probably used to doing that sort of thing coming from F-1. I have noticed that they do a lot of that in F-1 and it's just part of it. Maybe he just isn't used to the difference in speeds or something. You can block and get out of the way quicker in F-1.

For those of you that watched him during his F-1 career, was he involved in a lot of wrecks there too? Did he wreck people on purpose if they didn't get out of his way? I don't know the answer to that and that is why I am asking. I am wondering where all of this agressive driving is coming from. I know that it's his rookie season in Nascar and he has a lot to learn, but he has been involved in a bunch of wrecks.

The only thing that I have against him at this point is his attitude. He came into Nascar with a holier than thou attitude and it rubbed me the wrong way. When he isn't involved in wrecks, I think his driving is ok. If he would change his attitude, I may grow to like him. I felt the same way about Kyle & Kurt Busch, but I like them both now.
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That's the thing, if you make a contact with another driver in an open-wheel car, the results are usually disastrous. You don't see a lot of the rubbing that you do in Nascar.
I can't stant, Kurt or Kyle, but I like Tony Stewart.
 
#366
#366
tidwell said:
The only thing I remember about it was Harvick walking away and Nemechek stomping after him seemingly saying, "Where are you going?! Don't you turn your back on me! I'm Joe Nemechek!"
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Nemecheck also threw a water bottle at him.
 
#367
#367
tidwell said:
The only thing I remember about it was Harvick walking away and Nemechek stomping after him seemingly saying, "Where are you going?! Don't you turn your back on me! I'm Joe Nemechek!"
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Joe came up and tried to say something when Harvick was talking to the camera, that was funny. "Let me tell you something"
 
#370
#370
I'm talking about the Charlotte/All Star incident.

I don't remember anything that was said after Harvick took out half the field in one of the Twins.
 
#372
#372
doozer said:
then Harvick got his thise weekend for dumping Pruett last weekend in Canada.



wrong (as always). Joe got mad at Harvick for wrecking half the field. Harvick was attempting to bump draft the the 48 in the turn and took out a bunch of great cars.

i love how people act like Harvick is some kind of saint when in fact he's one of the biggest morons in the sport.
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Johnson got lose. Pablo wrecko has wrecked more people this year than Harvick has in his 6 year career.
 
#373
#373
tidwell said:
When has Montoya intentionally wrecked Harvick before?

Sabanocchio, that's right, I remember now. I don't actually remember the on-track incident, but I remember both Nemechek and Harvick getting out of their cars and exchanging pleasantries. Nemechek has always been one of those guys that talks a lot as well.
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Only you could pin this whole thing on Harvick. :eek:lol:
 
#374
#374
JennVols said:
Montoya wrecked Harvick in the Pepsi 400. You may have thought it was an accident, but I thought it was intentional and I am not the only one that thought that.

As far as Montoya blocking Truex, he is probably used to doing that sort of thing coming from F-1. I have noticed that they do a lot of that in F-1 and it's just part of it. Maybe he just isn't used to the difference in speeds or something. You can block and get out of the way quicker in F-1.

For those of you that watched him during his F-1 career, was he involved in a lot of wrecks there too? Did he wreck people on purpose if they didn't get out of his way? I don't know the answer to that and that is why I am asking. I am wondering where all of this agressive driving is coming from. I know that it's his rookie season in Nascar and he has a lot to learn, but he has been involved in a bunch of wrecks.

The only thing that I have against him at this point is his attitude. He came into Nascar with a holier than thou attitude and it rubbed me the wrong way. When he isn't involved in wrecks, I think his driving is ok. If he would change his attitude, I may grow to like him. I felt the same way about Kyle & Kurt Busch, but I like them both now.
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The Daytona was just a classic case of Pablo wrecko not knowing the situation and not understanding that his car was going to slide up the racetrack with worn tires and a slick track. So he was being stupid, wait he's always being stupid,
 
#375
#375
tidwell said:
Montoya was fighting an ill-handling car in the Pepsi 400. He was practically sideways coming out of turn two and just lost control/over corrected the car and Harvick just happened to be there.
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:lolabove: This coming from a guy that blames pruett for wrecking montoya at Mexico Pablo wrecko should have known that he wasn't capable of driving an ill handling car and that he should have backed out. But wait, he doesn't use his brain
 
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