The Bash Juan Montoya Thread!!!

#26
#26
Uh, because Scott caused it?

JPM is clearly going under Pruett and Pruett changes his line to try and block JPM and they make contact. What should JPM have done in that situation? Let Pruett chop him off going into the turn or hold his line and win the race? I realize I'm not going to change the mind of someone who will believe what they want to believe when it comes to JPM, but you could at least acknowledge that JPM was on the inside of Pruett and did nothing but hold his line. He did not turn into Pruett or ram him from behind in the middle of a turn.
 
#27
#27
TennesseeFan07 said:
Like I said earlier I like a driver with a confident mindset and someone who believes they're going to win, but Juan's just crazy. He needs to just go back to Colombia and quit tearing up this sport called Nascar just like he did in F1.
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Geezus. :eek:lol:
 
#28
#28
Sabanocchio said:
Stewart's a prick too. I used to like him, but here lately he has been doing some stupid stuff and anytime anything goes wrong for him, he blames someone else...
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I like Tony, but I'll admit that here lately he's been blaming everyone else. Not trying to make excuses for Tony, but at least he has 2 championships in Nextel Cup so he's earned the right to be a little crazy and Tony's never gone after Zippy like that after a call in the manner that JPM went after Parrott. But I do agree with you about Stewart being a little crazy lately.
 
#29
#29
tidwell said:
Uh, because Scott caused it?

JPM is clearly going under Pruett and Pruett changes his line to try and block JPM and they make contact. What should JPM have done in that situation? Let Pruett chop him off going into the turn or hold his line and win the race? I realize I'm not going to change the mind of someone who will believe what they want to believe when it comes to JPM, but you could at least acknowledge that JPM was on the inside of Pruett and did nothing but hold his line. He did not turn into Pruett or ram him from behind in the middle of a turn.
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Look! There's 8 laps to go. JPM had stormed up there and was going to win anyway. He just has the mental capacity of a 2 year old and didn't realize that he was going to put his teammate in a bad position by sticking his nose in there. To blame Pruett for this is completely ludicrus. He was going to obviously win the race, but he couldn't wait for the next opportunity to pass. Even Rusty, Sabattes, and Parrott all felt like it was JPM's fault. Why can't you just accept the fact that JPM has no idea how to strategize a race and cannot understand that you're not supposed to go all out the entire race. All of this will stop once someone finally fights back at JPM, then we'll see him crying just like in the cameraman incident.
 
#30
#30
tidwell said:
Uh, because Scott caused it?

JPM is clearly going under Pruett and Pruett changes his line to try and block JPM and they make contact. What should JPM have done in that situation? Let Pruett chop him off going into the turn or hold his line and win the race? I realize I'm not going to change the mind of someone who will believe what they want to believe when it comes to JPM, but you could at least acknowledge that JPM was on the inside of Pruett and did nothing but hold his line. He did not turn into Pruett or ram him from behind in the middle of a turn.
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Okay. I watched it, like 4 or 5 times AGAIN. And I don't see what you're saying. JPW made an aggressive move at a point where he had no business making it and Pruett had no idea, nor would anyone else, that he would be there. Therefore, Montoya caused the incident.

What he should have done was wait for a better opportunity to pass instead of sticking his nose underneath him headed into a turn.
 
#31
#31
Sabanocchio said:
Okay. I watched it, like 4 or 5 times AGAIN. And I don't see what you're saying. JPW made an aggressive move at a point where he had no business making it and Pruett had no idea, nor would anyone else, that he would be there. Therefore, Montoya caused the incident.

What he should have done was wait for a better opportunity to pass instead of sticking his nose underneath him headed into a turn.
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Yeah really, if anything blame Pruett for not knowing that Montoya is an idiot. It was totally pointless for Juan to try such an aggressive move.
 
#32
#32
That's right...Even his own crew chief had nothing to say about it but apologies when interviewed. Come on, Tidwell. I know you have to be a Montoya fan to defend that, but geeze. You are vastly in the minority on that one.

Another one is the Open race. He took a lot of good cars out there being stupid on new tires.
 
#33
#33
OK, I will admit that it was Montoya's fault since he wasn't supposed to pass Pruett.

I didn't even have to look at the silly Youtube replay, but after viewing that it's even more clear what happened. JPM dove to the inside to make the pass, gets under Pruett, is running right on the curb/edge of the pavement and Pruett comes down the track to block him. How is it JPM's fault that Pruett didn't know he was there?
 
#34
#34
And I could care less what Rusty Wallace says or being in the minority. I don't need someone else to tell me what my own two eyes saw; Montoya attempting a pass, getting blocked, and not giving an inch. Sucks for Pruett, don't block someone already with a fender under you next time.
 
#35
#35
Yeah, you know it's getting bad when whenever Montoya gets close to someone on the racetrack the spotters tell there drivers over the radio that the 42's near and to watch out. Just like at Daytona, I said to myself, Harvick watch out he'll wreck you and guess what happened?
 
#36
#36
tidwell said:
OK, I will admit that it was Montoya's fault since he wasn't supposed to pass Pruett.

I didn't even have to look at the silly Youtube replay, but after viewing that it's even more clear what happened. JPM dove to the inside to make the pass, gets under Pruett, is running right on the curb/edge of the pavement and Pruett comes down the track to block him. How is it JPM's fault that Pruett didn't know he was there?
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Look, no one is saying he shouldn't have passed him. IMO, his car was better and it was just a matter of time. Pruett said the same thing after the race, it was where he chose to do it and the risk involved to his teammate in which he erred. It is obvious from that that he didn't give two s---s about his teammate and disrespected the sport.
 
#37
#37
Sabanocchio said:
Another one is the Open race. He took a lot of good cars out there being stupid on new tires.
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Perfect example of his aggressiveness backfiring.

He clearly punted Tony Raines at Martinsville, as well.

I've never said he's perfect out there. I listed the incidents I recalled he'd been involved in throughout the season and challenged anyone to back up their assertion that he causes an accident every weekend. THAT is what I'm refuting. He's had a normal amount of incidents for a rookie in stock cars.
 
#38
#38
TennesseeFan07 said:
Yeah, you know it's getting bad when whenever Montoya gets close to someone on the racetrack the spotters tell there drivers over the radio that the 42's near and to watch out. Just like at Daytona, I said to myself, Harvick watch out he'll wreck you and guess what happened?
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That was funny, because if you watched the Busch race, he and Carl Edwards were tangling all day and HIS spotter told him to watch behind you, he was all over the place yesterday, referring to JPM.
 
#39
#39
TennesseeFan07 said:
Yeah, you know it's getting bad when whenever Montoya gets close to someone on the racetrack the spotters tell there drivers over the radio that the 42's near and to watch out. Just like at Daytona, I said to myself, Harvick watch out he'll wreck you and guess what happened?
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One of several incidents in the race involving ill-handling cars, but don't let that get in the way of your bias.
 
#40
#40
tidwell said:
And I could care less what Rusty Wallace says or being in the minority. I don't need someone else to tell me what my own two eyes saw; Montoya attempting a pass, getting blocked, and not giving an inch. Sucks for Pruett, don't block someone already with a fender under you next time.
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What do you mean Pruett was blocking him? It's obvious that JPM was much faster than Pruett and was eventually going to win. But he drove it very deep into the corner and wrecked him. What's Pruett supposed to do, let Montoya by and be content with finishing 2nd. I think not, he probably thought that sense they where teammates that Montoya wasn't going to just drive down in there and wreck him.
 
#41
#41
Sabanocchio said:
Look, no one is saying he shouldn't have passed him. IMO, his car was better and it was just a matter of time. Pruett said the same thing after the race, it was where he chose to do it and the risk involved to his teammate in which he erred. It is obvious from that that he didn't give two s---s about his teammate and disrespected the sport.
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Which made Pruett's decision to block him even dumber.
 
#42
#42
tidwell said:
Perfect example of his aggressiveness backfiring.

He clearly punted Tony Raines at Martinsville, as well.

I've never said he's perfect out there. I listed the incidents I recalled he'd been involved in throughout the season and challenged anyone to back up their assertion that he causes an accident every weekend. THAT is what I'm refuting. He's had a normal amount of incidents for a rookie in stock cars.
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Fair enough. I wouldn't say he causes an accident every weekend, but it's to the point that if you are anywhere around him, you are nervous. There's no give and take at all. There's no respect for the other drivers. Makes me wonder how he made it in F1 since you can't have contact like you can in a stock car.
 
#43
#43
TennesseeFan07 said:
What do you mean Pruett was blocking him? It's obvious that JPM was much faster than Pruett and was eventually going to win. But he drove it very deep into the corner and wrecked him. What's Pruett supposed to do, let Montoya by and be content with finishing 2nd. I think not, he probably thought that sense they where teammates that Montoya wasn't going to just drive down in there and wreck him.
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He thought right; his teammate didn't wreck him.
 
#44
#44
tidwell said:
Perfect example of his aggressiveness backfiring.

He clearly punted Tony Raines at Martinsville, as well.

I've never said he's perfect out there. I listed the incidents I recalled he'd been involved in throughout the season and challenged anyone to back up their assertion that he causes an accident every weekend. THAT is what I'm refuting. He's had a normal amount of incidents for a rookie in stock cars.
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:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
 
#45
#45
Sabanocchio said:
Fair enough. I wouldn't say he causes an accident every weekend, but it's to the point that if you are anywhere around him, you are nervous. There's no give and take at all. There's no respect for the other drivers. Makes me wonder how he made it in F1 since you can't have contact like you can in a stock car.
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I didn't watch F1 until this year, but I understand he was known for his aggressiveness there as well as every other series in which he's raced. He's there to win and doesn't care if he ruffles some feathers.
 
#47
#47
tidwell said:
Which made Pruett's decision to block him even dumber.
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He didn't try to block him, dude. Watch the clip again. He had NO IDEA Montoya was there. Proof being: He knew Montoya was faster than him, and was waiting to be passed. Montoya jumped in there headed into a turn when all Pruett was doing was looking ahead. He had no idea JPW would make that move...Do ya see?
 
#48
#48
Should Montoya radio in to someone and ask if Pruett knows he's there before he tries to pass him?
 
#49
#49
tidwell said:
You're the one that actually claimed he causes a wreck every race. I'm still waiting for the list and who he wrecked in each race.
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Did you not watch those clips, but if you want evidence please hole temporarily as I give a race by race recap of every race JPM's run in this year.
 
#50
#50
A normal amount of incidents for a rookie is a huge stretch. Maybe by Kyle Busch standards, but not Denny Hamlin and Kasey Kahne standards.
 
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