The Beginning of the End

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BigPapaVol said:
Ticket prices will fall through the floor. Such a huge and inclusive playoff will surely undermine the whole thing. Just look what the BCS title game, that limited it to two teams did to the regular season.

Doomed.
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I got some of your sarcasm in my eye
 
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Volgrad98 said:
I don't like change!

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Classic
 
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99gator said:
i'm tired of this stupid argument. and it is dumb.

there are 30 some bowl games.

20+ have never meant anything to anyone other than the participants ever.

explain to me how a playoff destroys the independence bowl. no one gave a damn about the independence bowl to begin with.
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This.
 
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This is the same guy who keeps whining about how awful instant replay is. If I had to guess, he's like 97 years old.
 
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99gator said:
i'm tired of this stupid argument. and it is dumb.

there are 30 some bowl games.

20+ have never meant anything to anyone other than the participants ever.

explain to me how a playoff destroys the independence bowl. no one gave a damn about the independence bowl to begin with.
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This. I never understood why anti-playoff people ever even attempted to make this argument. It holds about as much water as the academic argument.

Although I would argue it's closer to 25+ only matter to those participating. Not even all the BCS bowls garner much attention.
 
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govols120 said:
This is the same guy who keeps whining about how awful instant replay is. If I had to guess, he's like 97 years old.
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Um, close. And yes, instant replay is BS. Just throw that into the reason for shorter games, less football.

I love making posts like this because it brings out the point/counterpoint. i put in the point, and all i get for a counterpoint is "I disagree" "OP's 97 years old" "This isn't right" "It works in other sports so it has to work here".

I mean, I'm not saying that College Football is doomed. I do think they are taking away what makes people want to pack the stadiums to 100+ thousand. You simply cannot compare college football to any other sport. It is it's own thing.

Overall, my main argument is that although the bowl system isn't perfect, nobody says it is, it does allow college football fans to follow their teams throughout the whole season. They still have a chance. When a team like arkansas is 8 and 3 and no longer has a shot at the playoff, i will guarantee that they will not fill the stands like they would if they were playing, let's say, to get into the cotton bowl (albeit again).

Finally, i think that you are all foolish to think this is how it ends. I urge you to look at your history books. The college basketball playoff used to be 16 teams, as far back as i understand. Then, well, a bunch of you liberals starting crying foul and they raised it to 32, then to what, 38 or something then 64 and now what is it 68? This is what happens when you let committees and people who benefit by politics get what they want then everybody gets what they want and we end up with a 68-team playoff? I'm sure the original founders of the basketball tournament wanted that!

So, look for an 8-team playoff in 2016 once Oregon and Auburn get snubbed. Then a 16 team then 32. And so on. Then the regular season doesn't mean much comparably speaking and the rivalries go away. No more UT Notre Dame games. Oh, sorry, we're already there. No more UT North Carolina games. Oh, my bad.
 
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byobbio said:
Um, close. And yes, instant replay is BS. Just throw that into the reason for shorter games, less football.

I love making posts like this because it brings out the point/counterpoint. i put in the point, and all i get for a counterpoint is "I disagree" "OP's 97 years old" "This isn't right" "It works in other sports so it has to work here".

I mean, I'm not saying that College Football is doomed. I do think they are taking away what makes people want to pack the stadiums to 100+ thousand. You simply cannot compare college football to any other sport. It is it's own thing.

Overall, my main argument is that although the bowl system isn't perfect, nobody says it is, it does allow college football fans to follow their teams throughout the whole season. They still have a chance. When a team like arkansas is 8 and 3 and no longer has a shot at the playoff, i will guarantee that they will not fill the stands like they would if they were playing, let's say, to get into the cotton bowl (albeit again).

Finally, i think that you are all foolish to think this is how it ends. I urge you to look at your history books. The college basketball playoff used to be 16 teams, as far back as i understand. Then, well, a bunch of you liberals starting crying foul and they raised it to 32, then to what, 38 or something then 64 and now what is it 68? This is what happens when you let committees and people who benefit by politics get what they want then everybody gets what they want and we end up with a 68-team playoff? I'm sure the original founders of the basketball tournament wanted that!

So, look for an 8-team playoff in 2016 once Oregon and Auburn get snubbed. Then a 16 team then 32. And so on. Then the regular season doesn't mean much comparably speaking and the rivalries go away. No more UT Notre Dame games. Oh, sorry, we're already there. No more UT North Carolina games. Oh, my bad.
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spot friggin on

I've always said this - the best part about cfb is that it isnt like all the others. The NFL has a way they advance in their post season and cfb has a completely different way. Both are fun to watch because both are different, not the same. I appreciate both because they are different.

Agree that the wave has crested. 4 will lead to 8 will lead to 12/16 etc..... then teams with marginal .500 records will think they deserve a shot of winning the NC.

Intresting little know fact about the so called perfect March Madness tourney. No computers are used to pick teams - only a committee of coaches. The same coaches that dont watch all those teams play therefore do not know if the 23-7 St Mary's is worse or better than the 17-13 Pittsburgh. And how does the NCAA split up their money? The conference gets money based on the number of teams that get into the tourney. No suprise when the Big East gets half of their league in while the mid majors, most with teams with better records, get only 1 team. Where's the 'play it on the field'?
 
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So all the ADs and all the University Presidents looked at the proposal and voted to doom college football? They unanimously opted for a system that was guaranteed to loose money? How unusual.
 
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99gator said:
i'm tired of this stupid argument. and it is dumb.

there are 30 some bowl games.

20+ have never meant anything to anyone other than the participants ever.

explain to me how a playoff destroys the independence bowl. no one gave a damn about the independence bowl to begin with.
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well shat! the world is coming to an end! I just agreed with a gator fan!:no:
 
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GreveHaller said:
spot friggin on

I've always said this - the best part about cfb is that it isnt like all the others. The NFL has a way they advance in their post season and cfb has a completely different way. Both are fun to watch because both are different, not the same. I appreciate both because they are different.

Agree that the wave has crested. 4 will lead to 8 will lead to 12/16 etc..... then teams with marginal .500 records will think they deserve a shot of winning the NC.

Intresting little know fact about the so called perfect March Madness tourney. No computers are used to pick teams - only a committee of coaches. The same coaches that dont watch all those teams play therefore do not know if the 23-7 St Mary's is worse or better than the 17-13 Pittsburgh. And how does the NCAA split up their money? The conference gets money based on the number of teams that get into the tourney. No suprise when the Big East gets half of their league in while the mid majors, most with teams with better records, get only 1 team. Where's the 'play it on the field'?
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That is completely false. Coaches have nothing to do with the selection committee. And they do use computers, it's called the RPI. :crazy::crazy::crazy:
 
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I can appreciate what he's getting at a little more than the OP. No tournament/playoff/what-have-you will ever be perfect, because that's simply impossible. They all have their flaws. The selection committee for the NCAA Tournament is probably going to be biased towards certain schools (George Mason never would've made the '06 Tournament had their AD not been on the committee) and RPI is an absolutely terrible metric to measure a team's performance (Southern Miss, a 9 seed, ranked #18 in it this past season despite no top 50 wins).

Regardless, I'll take the playoff ten times out of ten over a computer ranking system whose formula every mathematician worth their weight has dismissed as complete garbage.
 
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byobbio said:
Um, close. And yes, instant replay is BS. Just throw that into the reason for shorter games, less football.

I love making posts like this because it brings out the point/counterpoint. i put in the point, and all i get for a counterpoint is "I disagree" "OP's 97 years old" "This isn't right" "It works in other sports so it has to work here".

I mean, I'm not saying that College Football is doomed. I do think they are taking away what makes people want to pack the stadiums to 100+ thousand. You simply cannot compare college football to any other sport. It is it's own thing.

Overall, my main argument is that although the bowl system isn't perfect, nobody says it is, it does allow college football fans to follow their teams throughout the whole season. They still have a chance. When a team like arkansas is 8 and 3 and no longer has a shot at the playoff, i will guarantee that they will not fill the stands like they would if they were playing, let's say, to get into the cotton bowl (albeit again).

Finally, i think that you are all foolish to think this is how it ends. I urge you to look at your history books. The college basketball playoff used to be 16 teams, as far back as i understand. Then, well, a bunch of you liberals starting crying foul and they raised it to 32, then to what, 38 or something then 64 and now what is it 68? This is what happens when you let committees and people who benefit by politics get what they want then everybody gets what they want and we end up with a 68-team playoff? I'm sure the original founders of the basketball tournament wanted that!

So, look for an 8-team playoff in 2016 once Oregon and Auburn get snubbed. Then a 16 team then 32. And so on. Then the regular season doesn't mean much comparably speaking and the rivalries go away. No more UT Notre Dame games. Oh, sorry, we're already there. No more UT North Carolina games. Oh, my bad.
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Uh, I was around when the basketball tournament was only 16 teams. It's about a thousand times better now. This does not help your argument.

A four-team football playoff doesn't do anything at all to cheapen the regular season any further; I mean, Alabama and Florida have already won championships after getting do-overs even without a playoff. You'll know that the regular season has been cheapened when an early-season loss to Florida doesn't feel like a disaster. Four teams in a playoff won't do it. Eight teams in a playoff won't do it. Hell, sixteen teams in a playoff might not even do it, not with 120+ eligible teams and 60+ in so-called "major conferences." This isn't the end of the world.
 
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byobbio said:
Um, close. And yes, instant replay is BS. Just throw that into the reason for shorter games, less football.

I love making posts like this because it brings out the point/counterpoint. i put in the point, and all i get for a counterpoint is "I disagree" "OP's 97 years old" "This isn't right" "It works in other sports so it has to work here".

I mean, I'm not saying that College Football is doomed. I do think they are taking away what makes people want to pack the stadiums to 100+ thousand. You simply cannot compare college football to any other sport. It is it's own thing.

Overall, my main argument is that although the bowl system isn't perfect, nobody says it is, it does allow college football fans to follow their teams throughout the whole season. They still have a chance. When a team like arkansas is 8 and 3 and no longer has a shot at the playoff, i will guarantee that they will not fill the stands like they would if they were playing, let's say, to get into the cotton bowl (albeit again).

Finally, i think that you are all foolish to think this is how it ends. I urge you to look at your history books. The college basketball playoff used to be 16 teams, as far back as i understand. Then, well, a bunch of you liberals starting crying foul and they raised it to 32, then to what, 38 or something then 64 and now what is it 68? This is what happens when you let committees and people who benefit by politics get what they want then everybody gets what they want and we end up with a 68-team playoff? I'm sure the original founders of the basketball tournament wanted that!

So, look for an 8-team playoff in 2016 once Oregon and Auburn get snubbed. Then a 16 team then 32. And so on. Then the regular season doesn't mean much comparably speaking and the rivalries go away. No more UT Notre Dame games. Oh, sorry, we're already there. No more UT North Carolina games. Oh, my bad.
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1) You obviously can't read if you think the only responses to you have been what you state. Several posts have torn apart your so-called arguments. I'm sorry if you choose to ignore them.

2) Again...an 8-3 Arkansas team under the current system will be playing for roughly the exact same freakin' thing in the 4 playoff system. The only reason it won't be the Cotton Bowl is if Jerry gets them to use the Cotton Bowl as one of the playoff or championship games.

3) What does UT/North Carolina have to do with anything considering that was cancelled 2 years ago, before any of this?
 
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#47
DynamiteMcGhee said:
Wait, the basketball tournament expansion is because of liberals?
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When a poster is too uninformed (or dumb, or just plain stupid) to actually discuss why they're against something, they blame it on [insert political subgroup here]. It provides them with an immediate sense of smug superiority and turns any counter-argument into a political mine field.
 
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byobbio said:
Finally, i think that you are all foolish to think this is how it ends. I urge you to look at your history books. The college basketball playoff used to be 16 teams, as far back as i understand. Then, well, a bunch of conference officials starting crying foul because of the revenue potential and they raised it to 32, then to what, 38 or something then 64 and now what is it 68? This is what happens when you let committees and people who benefit financially get what they want then everybody gets what they want and we end up with a 68-team playoff? I'm sure the original founders of the basketball tournament wanted that!
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FYP, or at least what of it was salvageable. The rest of it was too littered with you mapping your personal viewpoint as fact on the operations of a major enterprise for me to untangle it into making real-world sense.
 
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Assuming that the U.S. doesn't go down the crapper in the next few years...which is not a safe bet, but I digress...

Yes, eventually there will be an 8-team, and then maybe a 16-team NCAA playoff. The AD's and Presidents will follow the money trail, and that's where it will eventually lead.

Funny, a playoff format didn't seem to hurt every other NCAA scholarship sport that determines a National Champion. In fact, it actually got people to watch Div-I-A (FCS) football, and Div-II, III, and even NAIA. Of course, ESPN and it's half a dozen subchannels also played a role in that.

The bowl system will survive, in some form. Personally, if the "GoDaddy.com Shreveport Taco Bell Freedom Crawfish Bowl" ends up falling by the wayside, the only ones that would notice would be ESPN6, Vanderbilt fans, and maybe the corn dog people.

It would not surprise me at all to see the current FBS end up with 6 or 8 "megaconferences", with up to 20 teams in each, and with a 16-team playoff.

It will take years to get there, but that is where college football is headed. Just by looking at the changes in conference alignments that have taken place in the last year, and now with a 4-team playoff model...it doesn't take a psychic to see where college football is headed. The NFL model.

Not that I agree completely, but it is what it is.

Go Vols.
 
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byobbio said:
GreveHaller, looks like it's you and me against the world (of liberals).
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I couldn't possibly disagree more with the two of you.

A playoff will greatly enhance the regular season by making many more games meaningful. More games will impact the national title race. I could go on and on, but there's no point, because thankfully, you're not going to get what you want...a playoff is here.

The only problems I have with the new playoff are 1) it's four teams, rather than eight, and 2) the semifinals are using existing bowl games. Being on a bowl committee continues to be the best job in the world.

Did you know that LSU and Bama had to pay full price for each and every band member to attend the national title game, and the schools were paid nothing by the bowl to put on a halftime show? That's the bowl system in a nutshell. Rather than spend a ton of cash on entertainment, they bring in free performers, courtesy of the participating schools. And, they don't even give them free tickets. I suppose LSU and Bama should have felt privileged just to be there.
 
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