The Beginning of the End

#51
#51
This is directed at anyone who is adamantly opposed to any playoff system...

I am absolutely ecstatic that in two years, college football will not be operating the way you want it to.

That is all.
 
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#52
Actually the original analogy isn't far fetched although not in the way OP intended. The playoff system like Obamacare is a step toward inclusiveness and weakening a system designed to benefit the privileged at the expense of leaving other on the outside looking in.
 
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cibai said:
Actually the original analogy isn't far fetched although not in the way OP intended. The playoff system like Obamacare is a step toward inclusiveness and weakening a system designed to benefit the privileged at the expense of leaving other on the outside looking in.
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Actually, small schools are never going to get into the playoff, and now that there is no BCS and the big bowls are no longer required to take small schools who are highly ranked, things are going to get worse for the little guy.
 
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cibai said:
Actually the original analogy isn't far fetched although not in the way OP intended. The playoff system like Obamacare is a step toward inclusiveness and weakening a system designed to benefit the privileged at the expense of leaving other on the outside looking in.
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Actually, if you study ObamaCare, you will find that it is doing the exact opposite. It is still going to alienate the persons it was designed to help. Further, it is criminalizing those people. So, OC doesn't help really anybody but the size of the government. CIP: My brother's company found that they can forego the health benefits to their employees and get fined $20,000 per year which is less than half of what they pay per year for health care for their employees. See the logic? I do not.
 
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Yeah, you're right. It's the beginning of the end for college football.

I didn't read your post, but I assume you're referring to Erin Andrews leaving ESPN?
 
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byobbio said:
Actually, if you study ObamaCare, you will find that it is doing the exact opposite. It is still going to alienate the persons it was designed to help. Further, it is criminalizing those people. So, OC doesn't help really anybody but the size of the government. CIP: My brother's company found that they can forego the health benefits to their employees and get fined $20,000 per year which is less than half of what they pay per year for health care for their employees. See the logic? I do not.
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Sooooo we have a politics forum.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Yeah, you're right. It's the beginning of the end for college football.

I didn't read your post, but I assume you're referring to Erin Andrews leaving ESPN?
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We on the west coast should still be getting her on a weekly basis, as Fox does a lot of Pac-12 games.

Regionally.

So we have her to ourselves.
 
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The only thing that really excites me about the 4 team playoff is that I believe it's just the first step towards a larger, more robust 8-16 team playoff system sometime down the road. We always tend to do things in increments. Mark my words, 4 teams is just the first step! It doesn't hurt Division 2. Division 1 will be fine and yes, the bowls can and will coexist with the playoffs.
 
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I too would like 16 teams because it would allow for all the conference champs to get a bid, but that would result in decreased concentration of wealth for the big time players.

Again, it's all about the money. Just because we have four teams now doesn't mean we're on a slope to 16. bamawriter has it right, the little guys will be even more cut out as a result of all this, yet many people think this is leveling the playing field.

I still think the Sun Belt, MAC, MWC, WAC (whatever's left of it), etc. should be given their own division because as it stands, a team from any one of those could win every game forever and never win a national championship. It's a crock.

When 2014 rolls around, nothing will change; champions will be determined by politics rather than results on the field. And the power 4.5 conferences are perfectly content to keep it that way.
 
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milohimself said:
I too would like 16 teams because it would allow for all the conference champs to get a bid, but that would result in decreased concentration of wealth for the big time players.

Again, it's all about the money. Just because we have four teams now doesn't mean we're on a slope to 16. bamawriter has it right, the little guys will be even more cut out as a result of all this, yet many people think this is leveling the playing field.

I still think the Sun Belt, MAC, MWC, WAC (whatever's left of it), etc. should be given their own division because as it stands, a team from any one of those could win every game forever and never win a national championship. It's a crock.

When 2014 rolls around, nothing will change; champions will be determined by politics rather than results on the field. And the power 4.5 conferences are perfectly content to keep it that way.
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Why don't we just let everybody win, quit keeping score and we'll all one happy "yes we can!" family.
 
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Again, we have a political forum. It's there so none of that stuff gets interjected elsewhere.

As far as the rest of your ridiculous comment, this has nothing to do with some nanny state liberal conspiracy. It's about having a system to determine a national champion in place that isn't a complete sham, which is what the BCS is and this playoff will be.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
The only thing that really excites me about the 4 team playoff is that I believe it's just the first step towards a larger, more robust 8-16 team playoff system sometime down the road. We always tend to do things in increments. Mark my words, 4 teams is just the first step! It doesn't hurt Division 2. Division 1 will be fine and yes, the bowls can and will coexist with the playoffs.
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might want to check that. First off, the playoffs in Div1aa (FCS), Div II, and Div III do not generate nearly the money as the post season of DivI does, which is the who reason there are bowls and a cfb post season. It continually loses money and is funded by a bid each school submits on what it will pay to host that game. So as much as you want to compare the two, they are completely different. But if we're using Div Iaa as an example then all you have to do is look at their current proposal to expand the playoffs from 20 to 24 teams in 2013. That would have been like having 7-5 #24 Texas compete for a NC. As one said, at that point just give everybody participation trophies and go out for ice cream.
 
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GreveHaller said:
might want to check that. First off, the playoffs in Div1aa (FCS), Div II, and Div III do not generate nearly the money as the post season of DivI does, which is the who reason there are bowls and a cfb post season. It continually loses money and is funded by a bid each school submits on what it will pay to host that game. So as much as you want to compare the two, they are completely different. But if we're using Div Iaa as an example then all you have to do is look at their current proposal to expand the playoffs from 20 to 24 teams in 2013. That would have been like having 7-5 #24 Texas compete for a NC. As one said, at that point just give everybody participation trophies and go out for ice cream.
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You and byobbio gonna go give each other backrubs later?

No way any of that is happening in D-IA. There's no money to be had in the first place for smaller schools. More playoff spots means more slices cut out of the pie. I'm 24 now, I would be surprised if I saw the playoffs expand beyond four teams before I become a grandpa.
 
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GreveHaller said:
might want to check that. First off, the playoffs in Div1aa (FCS), Div II, and Div III do not generate nearly the money as the post season of DivI does, which is the who reason there are bowls and a cfb post season. It continually loses money and is funded by a bid each school submits on what it will pay to host that game. So as much as you want to compare the two, they are completely different. But if we're using Div Iaa as an example then all you have to do is look at their current proposal to expand the playoffs from 20 to 24 teams in 2013. That would have been like having 7-5 #24 Texas compete for a NC. As one said, at that point just give everybody participation trophies and go out for ice cream.
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The bolded statement represents the most flawed reasoning this Forum has seen regarding playoffs. You've reached a new low with the content of your anti-playoff crusade.

Do you honestly believe the FBS bowls collectively generate more revenue than the FCS playoffs, because people would rather watch and attend bowls than playoffs?

It's because FBS football is more popular than FCS football. Unless you have never lived in the United States and grew up on soccer, I really shouldn't have to explain that point. Good grief. I cannot believe what I just had to argue against.

Two FBS schools playing on television will draw better ratings than two FCS schools. The only way the FCS game might do better is if the only games on are the FCS Championship game and a regular season game in the Sun Belt, and they're obviously never played at the same time of the year.

Wow.
 
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milohimself said:
You and byobbio gonna go give each other backrubs later?

No way any of that is happening in D-IA. There's no money to be had in the first place for smaller schools. More playoff spots means more slices cut out of the pie. I'm 24 now, I would be surprised if I saw the playoffs expand beyond four teams before I become a grandpa.
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I would love to see an 8-team playoff. Maybe take the 5 power conference champions, the best champion from any other league (Big East/MWC/etc.), and two at-larges. That would make every conference and divisional race mean something all season, add a ton of importance to the conference title games, give the little guys at least some chance, and get in a couple of top teams who don't win their league. But, I'm sure someone will find a way to argue that bowls are better.
 
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ukvols said:
The bolded statement represents the most flawed reasoning this Forum has seen regarding playoffs. You've reached a new low with the content of your anti-playoff crusade.

Do you honestly believe the FBS bowls collectively generate more revenue than the FCS playoffs, because people would rather watch and attend bowls than playoffs?

It's because FBS football is more popular than FCS football. Unless you have never lived in the United States and grew up on soccer, I really shouldn't have to explain that point. Good grief. I cannot believe what I just had to argue against.

Two FBS schools playing on television will draw better ratings than two FCS schools. The only way the FCS game might do better is if the only games on are the FCS Championship game and a regular season game in the Sun Belt, and they're obviously never played at the same time of the year.

Wow.
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Yes he actually does, and it's probably his most ridiculous strawman argument he uses.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Yes he actually does, and it's probably his most ridiculous strawman argument he uses.
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He's got another one on the same level. He'll link to a blog about attendance at the FCS playoffs from a couple of years ago, and then tell us that FBS playoff games, even if they were played on campus, would not draw large crowds and sell out.
 
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It gets to the point that I sometimes wonder if the man at the keyboard is actually laughing at us for taking the posts seriously enough to argue against. Some of the anti-playoff, pro-bowl arguments get so silly, they look like they were posted by trolls.

I don't agree with them, but I do understand that there are intelligent football fans out there who prefer that everyone play in a single-game postseason experience, with no playoff. I have seen arguments to that effect that I strongly disagree with but do respect. But, if the argument is that the playoff won't be successful, well, that's where I find the need to point out how stupid that argument is.
 
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bamawriter said:
Awesome troll logic is awesome.
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Ha. We agree on something.

It does look like trolling, but Greve has been at it with this argument for a long time.

I'm waiting for the link to FCS playoff attendance to be re-posted and to be told that Alabama would sell fewer tickets to a home playoff game at Bryant Denny than a home regular season game.
 
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