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#76
#76
UTCVol said:
What exactly did the SEC winning seven straight championships do for UT? I have yet to see a "SEC pride" fan adequately answer this question.

It's regionalism and jealousy, nothing more. Living vicariously through other programs does nothing for UT, but it sure gives convenient excuses for all those times we got destroyed.
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It's given every SEC team the benefit of the doubt moving forward, when it comes to getting into the playoffs. The SEC wasn't the dominant conference, wining titles right and left in the 80's and 90's like it is now. Without this run we may be on the outside looking in. Now, when a 1 and potentially even 2 loss SEC champion UT is out there, they'll be in the thick of the playoff talk because they would've beaten 5+ top 25 teams. Baylor and TCU were both left out because of their weak ass schedules, both in conference and OOC. That'll never be a point of contention in the SEC.
 
#77
#77
bowlinggreenvol said:
It's given every SEC team the benefit of the doubt moving forward, when it comes to getting into the playoffs. The SEC wasn't the dominant conference, wining titles right and left in the 80's and 90's like it is now. Without this run we may be on the outside looking in. Now, when a 1 and potentially even 2 loss SEC champion UT is out there, they'll be in the thick of the playoff talk because they would've beaten 5+ top 25 teams. Baylor and TCU were both left out because of their weak ass schedules, both in conference and OOC. That'll never be a point of contention in the SEC.
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A 2 loss SEC Champ wasn't getting in last year over Baylor or TCU. You are correct a 1 loss SEC is a virtual lock.
 
#79
#79
bowlinggreenvol said:
It's given every SEC team the benefit of the doubt moving forward, when it comes to getting into the playoffs. The SEC wasn't the dominant conference, wining titles right and left in the 80's and 90's like it is now. Without this run we may be on the outside looking in. Now, when a 1 and potentially even 2 loss SEC champion UT is out there, they'll be in the thick of the playoff talk because they would've beaten 5+ top 25 teams. Baylor and TCU were both left out because of their weak ass schedules, both in conference and OOC. That'll never be a point of contention in the SEC.
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A 2-loss team won't get in, though, unless pretty much everyone (or at least every remaining option) also has 2 or more losses.
 
#82
#82
ajvol01 said:
So explain how I'm trolling?
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Since I don't know you maybe you aren't. Seems though a lot of SEC teams fans that aren't Bama, LSU, Florida, or Auburn love to beat the SEC drum whenever they get a chance. Why? Cause that's the only drum they have.
 
#83
#83
TrueOrange said:
A 2-loss team won't get in, though, unless pretty much everyone (or at least every remaining option) also has 2 or more losses.
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I don't think so either, but it's dependant on what happens around them. If the ACC champ has 2-3 losses, as has been the case all but 2x, then there would have to be a 1 loss non-conference winner, co-champ or ND/BYU to knock an SEC team out. My point is if there's multiple P5 conference champs with 2 losses, the SEC is getting the benefit of the doubt in that scenario. It's not a 2 loss SEC team vs undefeated Big12 scenario.
 
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#84
#84
BuckeyeNate said:
Since I don't know you maybe you aren't. Seems though a lot of SEC teams fans that aren't Bama, LSU, Florida, or Auburn love to beat the SEC drum whenever they get a chance. Why? Cause that's the only drum they have.
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I think it's regional pride more than anything. Our weather's better, our food's better, our girls are prettier and our football is better.
 
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#85
#85
BuckeyeNate said:
Since I don't know you maybe you aren't. Seems though a lot of SEC teams fans that aren't Bama, LSU, Florida, or Auburn love to beat the SEC drum whenever they get a chance. Why? Cause that's the only drum they have.
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Not at all.

The conference pride thing exists, but not everyone subscribes to it.

I personally hate to see our main rivals winning SEC & national championships.

The argument that keeps coming up is whether or not a weak conference schedule provides an advantage for making the playoffs.

My opinion is that it absolutely does. Feel free to opine/argue otherwise.
 
#86
#86
bowlinggreenvol said:
I think it's regional pride more than anything. Our weather's better, our food's better, our girls are prettier and our football is better.
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I get it 100%. You got to celebrate 7 straight titles. I am just trying to enjoy the 1 that we earned. I am jealous of the success of your squad.
 
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#87
#87
ajvol01 said:
Not at all.

The conference pride thing exists, but not everyone subscribes to it.

I personally hate to see our main rivals winning SEC & national championships.

The argument that keeps coming up is whether or not a weak conference schedule provides an advantage for making the playoffs.

My opinion is that it absolutely does. Feel free to opine/argue otherwise.
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Fair enough. As I have stated many times I will never argue Ohio State's schedule is tough. It's basically tonight and vs Michigan State in November.
 
#89
#89
BuckeyeNate said:
I get it 100%. You got to celebrate 7 straight titles. I am just trying to enjoy the 1 that we earned. I am jealous of the success of your squad.
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Thats about the fifth time I have seen you post something along these lines.....Kind of my whole point. Please find one post where I said anything close to GO SEC. I hate it when another SEC school wins a natty
 
#90
#90
volfanhill said:
Thats about the fifth time I have seen you post something along these lines.....Kind of my whole point. Please find one post where I said anything close to GO SEC. I hate it when another SEC school wins a natty
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That wasn't directed at you at all.
 
#91
#91
bowlinggreenvol said:
I don't think so either, but it's dependant on what happens around them. If the ACC champ has 2-3 losses, as has been the case all but 2x, then there would have to be a 1 loss non-conference winner, co-champ or ND/BYU to knock an SEC team out. My point is if there's multiple P5 conference champs, the SEC is getting the benefit of the doubt in that scenario. It's not a 2 loss SEC team vs undefeated Big12 scenario.
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I don't disagree that the conference gets the benefit of the doubt (at least for the next handful of years...the teams have to keep performing well to continue receive that, at least as far as the bigger names go).

I just can't even see a 2-loss SEC champion jumping a 1-loss team either. We'll get the benefit of the doubt if everyone is at the same record level (which I think I noted in my other post with all available options also having 2 losses)...but then who those two losses are to might start to weigh heavier than they do with a 1-loss team.
 
#92
#92
I have a lot of Ohio state family so I don't hate them, dislike at times, but it is frustrating when 8 or 9 SEC teams could go 11-1 or better with their schedule.
 
#94
#94
Ttucke11 said:
I have a lot of Ohio state family so I don't hate them, dislike at times, but it is frustrating when 8 or 9 SEC teams could go 11-1 or better with their schedule.
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I dunno. Last year, it would have been more like...4-5, at most 6.
 
#95
#95
BuckeyeNate said:
I get it 100%. You got to celebrate 7 straight titles. I am just trying to enjoy the 1 that we earned. I am jealous of the success of your squad.
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Why do you come in and act like you're just trying to hang out and discuss football then go full smartass mode? And you wonder why some of the 'necks on here call you out.

You asked a question and I gave an answer. Then threw in the nonsense stuff about girls and weather (although both are 100% true) as tongue in cheek. Then you have to take a shot at UT over it. I don't go around celebrating Bama championships but I'd take them winning it over a ND or OSU because I despise both teams and fanbases and I know that 9 out of 10x they earned it. OSU earned it last year when it counted and no one could argue they weren't the best team the last half of the season. I do respect Bama more for beating a VT, UM or Wisconsin then running the tables in the SEC than I do OSU doing it vs the MAC and a B1G schedule.
 
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#96
#96
Ttucke11 said:
I have a lot of Ohio state family so I don't hate them, dislike at times, but it is frustrating when 8 or 9 SEC teams could go 11-1 or better with their schedule.
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8 or 9?!!?!? That's what I am talking about. You crack me up. Are the Vols one of them?

Mizzou goes on the East and wins 2 out of 3 years. 9 teams would go 11-1 from the SEC in the B1G. That's fantastic. Like spit my beer out good.
 
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#97
#97
bowlinggreenvol said:
Why do you come in and act like you're just trying to hang out and discuss football then go full smartass mode? And you wonder why some of the 'necks on here call you out.

You asked a question and I gave an answer. Then threw in the nonsense stuff about girls and weather (although both are 100% true) as tongue in cheek. Then you have to take a shot at UT over it. Most don't celebrate Bama championships but I'd take them winning it over a ND or OSU because I despise both teams and fanbases.
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I don't wonder why at all. Congrats again.
 
#98
#98
BuckeyeNate said:
I don't wonder why at all. Congrats again.
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The B1G faithful talk as much ish when they beat an SEC team as we do. It's a competition thing between all conferences. I think most want to say they beat the best, not that they beat 1 ranked opponent. What are you congratulating me for? My alma mater hasn't won a conference title since 1998.
 
#99
#99
Ttucke11 said:
I have a lot of Ohio state family so I don't hate them, dislike at times, but it is frustrating when 8 or 9 SEC teams could go 11-1 or better with their schedule.
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How many schools from the B1G would cakewalk to Atlanta if they were in the SEC east? 7? I mean Mizzou treats the east like red headed step children. What would Indiana do?
 
#100
#100
bowlinggreenvol said:
The B1G faithful talk as much ish when they beat an SEC team as we do. It's a competition thing between all conferences. I think most want to say they beat the best, not that they beat 1 ranked opponent. What are you congratulating me for? My alma mater hasn't won a conference title since 1998.
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Tennessee can't win the East. Very average division. The West is outstanding though. I have said it many times.
 
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