The blue print on how to beat us is out

[K-town Vol Fan]

Why are y’all acting like this is something new? This is every. single. year. We’ve been complaining about the Rick Barnes approach to offense for years. Last year was the outlier because we had a generational scorer.

Yep. All it took to "fix" Barnes offense was a generational scorer. Pretty telling.

 

[IndianaVol]

Hate saying this, but this has been the blueprint for every team Barnes has put on the floor here...

 

[aaronvol]

Lanier can't create shots with the ball. That's the issue.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Barnes hate? So if you critical of anything Barnes you're a hater? Yeah, no.
I've seen Igor " not get it" in actual games a lot this season. Offensively and defensively. Not everyone is going to be a Jamal Mashack defender. Especially in less than a season.
Difference between Igor and Dubar is Igor has been consistently allowed to play through his mistakes ( which at times have been many). We haven't seen Dubar play here enough to know if he is reaching his full potential.

Can you bump any post that includes a positive comment about CRB? I apologize if I’m wrong, but IMO you have an anti-Barnes agenda.

 

[hUTch2002]

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You know I wasn’t serious, right? Right?

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Can you bump any post that includes a positive comment about CRB? I apologize if I’m wrong, but IMO you have an anti-Barnes agenda.

Yep, I can. I've been completely complimentary of his defense. Where I have been critical of him is on offense. I think that criticism is fair, too.
I'm not anti-Barnes, I'm anti- having a bad offense.
As far as Dubar, I'm not necessarily some Dubar homer. I don't know for certain he can give us the offense boost we need coming of the bench.
I do believe it's possible tho if he could get some longer stretches at a time to get get in rhythm and build his confidence as a scorer.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Yep, I can. I've been completely complimentary of his defense. Where I have been critical of him is on offense. I think that criticism is fair, too.
I'm not anti-Barnes, I'm anti- having a bad offense.
As far as Dubar, I'm necessarily some Dubar homer. I don't know for certain he can give us the offense boost we need coming of the bench.
I do believe it's possible tho if he could get some longer stretches at a time to get get in rhythm and build his confidence as a scorer.

You can’t throw away possessions to build confidence for a player.

Dubar’s confidence is fine anyway. It’s his lack of discipline that gets his back side on the bench.

 

[hUTch2002]

His form and mechanics have actually improved quite a bit. His effective FG% has risen every year, as has his FT%. He just refuses to be an offensive threat for some reason. He's not someone we want shooting it 10-12 times a game, necessarily, but he needs to be getting more than 4 attempts if he's going to play 28 mpg.

He actually gets to the rim pretty well and he’s big and strong enough to finish. I’d like to see more of that from him.

 

[They]

His form and mechanics have actually improved quite a bit. His effective FG% has risen every year, as has his FT%. He just refuses to be an offensive threat for some reason. He's not someone we want shooting it 10-12 times a game, necessarily, but he needs to be getting more than 4 attempts if he's going to play 28 mpg.

Im not hating on him, he’s doing things on a court that every coach in America would want out there. But he has to knock down corner 3’s. In today’s game, you can be the glue guy, you can be the effort guy, but you better shoot high 30’s from the corners. And shoot it every time it hits your hands in those spots.

 

[cncchris33]

Lanier can't create shots with the ball. That's the issue.

Quite honestly, Lanier is more of a role player that we are trying to make into a feature player.

He can't create offense with the ball in his hands because he can't take his man off the dribble at the SEC level, and he doesn't really work hard enough to get open without the ball and he's getting frustrated.

If we had a legit 3-level scorer, or even a respectable couple interior scoring options, then Lanier doesn't have to work so hard to get open and he'd get a lot more open looks on kickouts. But he's really a one-trick pony that the SEC has figured out. Deny him the ball, game over.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You can’t throw away possessions to build confidence for a player.

Dubar’s confidence is fine anyway. It’s his lack of discipline that gets his back side on the bench.

The whole team has had a discipline problem on offense. A wasted possession is a wasted possession.
I'd probably agree with what you said above if I wasn't seeing other player making mistakes and wasting possessions on both sides the ball. Like I've said, I've seen other guys make mistakes and not immediately get pulled. Also, it's not like we're seeing someone come out and completely abuse him on defesne or something.
As far as offense, sometimes Dubar is so amped just to get in the game, he tries to do too much too quick. When you know you have little time to settle in/ time to try to prove yourself, it just makes sense you're going to be more rushed.
I digress. We've pretty much made our points in respect, too much more and we're beating a dead horse.
I want Barnes to succeed and I'm sure you would like to see Dubar thriving. Despite the reasons they're not atm, I hope that happens for both.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The whole team has had a discipline problem on offense. A wasted possession is a wasted possession.
I'd probably agree with what you said above if I wasn't seeing other player making mistakes and wasting possessions on both sides the ball. Like I've said, I've seen other guys make mistakes and not immediately get pulled. Also, it's not like we're seeing someone come out and completely abuse him on defesne or something.
As far as offense, sometimes Dubar is so amped just to get in the game, he tries to do too much too quick. When you know you have little time to settle in/ time to try to prove yourself, it just makes sense you're going to be more rushed.
I digress. We've pretty much made our points in respect, too much more and we're beating a dead horse.
I want Barnes to succeed and I'm sure you would like to see Dubar thriving. Despite the reason, I hope that happens for both.

Missing good looks isn’t a discipline issue. Dubar has constantly been taking low percentage attempts early in possessions. Or the 3 times he’s done the opposite of what Barnes wanted at the end of games. I don’t see the same level of disregarding instructions from the other players. He seems to make a great play and then zeros in on taking another shot instead of staying within the offensive philosophy.

Even 4 years in, it looks like ZZ has adjusted to not attempt the low percentage lob passes as often - if at all.

There are only a few things that players can or can’t do that go against what they’re coached on offense. Stay under control and not get sloppy with the ball. Don’t get lazy or stupid passing the ball. Taking low percentage, contested shots early in shot clocks. Don’t turn down good looks. Get set before screening a defender. Be aware of the shot clock running down. Not passing up good shots is more of an instinct though while jacking up bad ones is a discipline problem.

There are many more on defense. Fouling. Not boxing out. Giving up the Vaseline just to name a few.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Missing good looks isn’t a discipline issue. Dubar has constantly been taking low percentage attempts early in possessions. Or the 3 times he’s done the opposite of what Barnes wanted at the end of games. I don’t see the same level of disregarding instructions from the other players. He seems to make a great play and then zeros in on taking another shot instead of staying within the offensive philosophy.

Even 4 years in, it looks like ZZ has adjusted to not attempt the low percentage lob passes as often - if at all.

There are only a few things that players can or can’t do that go against what they’re coached on offense. Stay under control and not get sloppy with the ball. Don’t get lazy or stupid passing the ball. Taking low percentage, contested shots early in shot clocks. Don’t turn down good looks. Get set before screening a defender. Be aware of the shot clock running down. Not passing up good shots is more of an instinct though while jacking up bad ones is a discipline problem.

There are many more on defense. Fouling. Not boxing out. Giving up the Vaseline just to name a few.

I seen some lazy passes last night and a lot of 3 jacking up that wasn't from Dubar. In other games, too.
He's had some good ones, but I've also seen ZZ attempt a bunch of bad lob passes this year that lost us possession.
Maybe we watching different games.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I seen some lazy passes last night and a lot of 3 jacking up that wasn't from Dubar. In other games, too.
He's had ome good ones, but I've also seen ZZ attempt a bunch of bad lob passes this year that lost us possession.
Maybe we watching different games.

Barnes sits those players down as well.

I see Dubar playing very limited minutes, but can’t seem to go longer than 1 without doing exactly the opposite of what he should be doing.

Curious what happened when he knocked down that early 3-pointer. He started out looking like he had turned a corner, but then after the refs took away that score and I think he missed about 5 of 6 or so. Unless I heard somebody cite the stats wrong. I didn’t look it up in the box score.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Also added an assist and a block with only 1 turnover and 1 foul. But 1 for 7 three point shooting spoiled his stat line. We need him in the dam paint. Not on the perimeter.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Also added an assist and a block with only 1 turnover and 1 foul. But 1 for 7 three point shooting spoiled his stat line. We need him in the dam paint. Not on the perimeter.

Bro, I don't know what happened last night with us shooting some many 3's. Apparently Barnes was ok with it because we never really stopped. Maybe he thought we needed them to beat KY.
As far as Dubar, yes, I agree we need him closer to the basket and driving to the basket.
I feel pretty good about him doing that. I think he shoots the 3 well enough to shoot a few a game, tho. But yeah, Dubar started off going to the rim, I think Barnes needs to draw some more plays for him in some ISO situations and backing down using his body.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Bro, I don't know what happened last night with us shooting some many 3's. Apparently Barnes was ok with it because we never really stopped. Maybe he thought we needed them to beat KY.
As far as Dubar, yes, I agree we need him closer to the basket and driving to the basket.
I feel pretty good about him doing that. I think he shoots the 3 well enough to shoot a few a game, tho. But yeah, Dubar started off going to the rim, I think Barnes needs to draw some more plays for him in some ISO situations and backing down using hs body.

He seems unstoppable at times when driving to the basket. I like the idea of him getting some ISO plays

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Bro, I don't know what happened last night with us shooting some many 3's. Apparently Barnes was ok with it because we never really stopped. Maybe he thought we needed them to beat KY.
As far as Dubar, yes, I agree we need him closer to the basket and driving to the basket.
I feel pretty good about him doing that. I think he shoots the 3 well enough to shoot a few a game, tho. But yeah, Dubar started off going to the rim, I think Barnes needs to draw some more plays for him in some ISO situations and backing down using his body.

If we only knocked down one or two more out of the 11 for 45 and we get the W. Make 3 or 4 more and it’s not even close.

It’s even worse if Igor’s 4-8 and even Chaz’s 3-10 are removed. 7 for 37 without Igor and 4 for 27 minus CL. ZZ’s 1-11 was horrible, but he’s earned the right to be stupid at times. Gainey 2-8, but possibly still recovering from his illness.

Another one to flush along with at Florida and at Vandy. Saturday is an opportunity for Dubar. He played 10 minutes at FL and was up to 18 minutes last night despite going 1-7 from 3 (2-2 from 2).

Cade only played 8 minutes but picked up 4 fouls. Felix only played 24. I’m missing the philosophy of not giving him 30, but I’m sure the staff has a lot of data and maybe his play really falls off once he gets much more than 20 minutes.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Bro, I don't know what happened last night with us shooting some many 3's. Apparently Barnes was ok with it because we never really stopped. Maybe he thought we needed them to beat KY.
As far as Dubar, yes, I agree we need him closer to the basket and driving to the basket.
I feel pretty good about him doing that. I think he shoots the 3 well enough to shoot a few a game, tho. But yeah, Dubar started off going to the rim, I think Barnes needs to draw some more plays for him in some ISO situations and backing down using his body.

Actually, you bring up a good point.

Barnes best teams with Grant/Admiral had the ability to score inside and be physical.

I’m not sure if Barnes tweaked his offense to a more modern style of shooting continuous jump shots or what but that could explain on why our players kicked the ball out instead of attacking the rim.

Honestly, I wish Barnes would go back to his ground & pound offense. I think that’s his true identity.

 

[DMcVol]

....Honestly, I wish Barnes would go back to his ground & pound offense. I think that’s his true identity.

We don't have an inside scorer like Grant Williams to do that....our best "big" scorer (Igor) is more of a perimeter scorer....

 

[Doctrippin]

Last play of 1H summed up the night. We steal the ball, up 3, Shack can't even hit the layup on a fast break. It was maddening to watch. I told my buddy we were going to lose right after that. There is a mental issue on offense. Everybody looks like they are afraid to shoot or drive

 

[Gandalf]

I just dont understand why we cant drive to the basket? Shouldnt that be the formula when you have a team with a strong defense and plenty of takeaways?

Shooting 3s smacks of desperation to me, especially when you aren't on a hot streak with them. Do we not have guys who can fight hard in the paint?

 

[volfeeva]

I remember games early in the season when our shooting was better. almost lights out ( around the time we worked our way up to being ranked #1 ) and then they seemed to lose the touch to make shots. There for a while I thought we finally had a team with with some shooters that can hit but that talent just disappeared .

 

[oldaaucoach]

No, it’s a one way street. The coach’s way or the highway.

Dubar has had limited minutes and I’ve seen him completely lose his mind at the end of 3 different games. Maybe instead of not buying in it’s just being stupid. Our defense falls apart without the discipline and buy in.

Speaking of which, am I the only one who saw major problems on switches and hedging? You can't let a very good 3-point shooting team like that have so many wide-open threes.

 

[jaguinn5]

Every. Single. Year. Except for last year. What?

Did you see where I said last year we had a generational scorer?