The cancel culture is getting out of control

[EasternVol]

No, I don't. WTF. And if you have to specify southern, then the point remains.

Clearly, there is a difference between cracker and redneck, right? Can you guys admit that much? Probably not.

You do to some. The key is that it's all in the mind of the speaker, not the descriptee.
I've been called a redneck because I'm pigmentally challenged, and by someone else because I'm Southern.
To some, a cracker is a lower class white person from Georgia or Florida. Others use it as any white person, or synonymous with redneck, or to describe their group. I guess there are other uses too.
What are your definition?

 

[n_huffhines]

You do to some. The key is that it's all in the mind of the speaker, not the descriptee.
I've been called a redneck because I'm pigmentally challenged, and by someone else because I'm Southern.
To some, a cracker is a lower class white person from Georgia or Florida. Others use it as any white person, or synonymous with redneck, or to describe their group. I guess there are other uses too.
What are your definition?

I always thought it was cracker because saltines are white. Wiki says nobody knows for sure, but that I may be right (soda cracker, specifically), or that it might be white slave bosses being whip crackers. Never heard the Georgia/Florida but I figured it came from the south. The article does call out Georgia and Florida, but that's going way back to when it was used a different way. It started out describing a braggart by Shakespeare. Then it was for Irish/Scottish immigrants. We're so far from all of that now. It just means white person to everybody. That's not what redneck means.

You're saying what makes it a racial slur is the intent, but then that means anything can be a racial slur. Are you one of the progressives who thinks "thug" is a slur, then?

 

[EasternVol]

I always thought it was cracker because saltines are white. Wiki says nobody knows for sure, but that I may be right (soda cracker, specifically), or that it might be white slave bosses being whip crackers. Never heard the Georgia/Florida but I figured it came from the south. The article does call out Georgia and Florida, but that's going way back to when it was used a different way. It started out describing a braggart by Shakespeare. Then it was for Irish/Scottish immigrants. We're so far from all of that now. It just means white person to everybody. That's not what redneck means.

You're saying what makes it a racial slur is the intent, but then that means anything can be a racial slur. Are you one of the progressives who thinks "thug" is a slur, then?

Not anything, and not really many words. If I call someone a brick there's no way to get something racial from it. Thug can be a slur the same way criminal can, but it transcends race. l've know thugs of different races and creeds.
I always heard that cracker came from cattle drovers in Florida and Georgia cracking their whips while herding stock to market.

 

[n_huffhines]

Not anything, and not really many words. If I call someone a brick there's no way to get something racial from it. Thug can be a slur the same way criminal can, but it transcends race. l've know thugs of different races and creeds.
I always heard that cracker came from cattle drovers in Florida and Georgia cracking their whips while herding stock to market.

I think there is a difference between what qualifies as a racial slur and when someone means to use a word in a racist way.

If someone says "all whites are rednecks" that would be racist, but it's not because they used a slur. There is no way to use the slang word cracker without it counting as a racial slur, because that's what it is. It can even be said without racist intent (like a white guy saying it to his friend) and it is still a slur.

If your black friend correctly calls a hillbilly a redneck, there is no problem. If your black friend calls any white person a cracker, it's something he shouldn't have said.

 

[n_huffhines]

I have a friend who loves NASCAR, owns land, and livestock. He and I both refer to him as a black redneck. Literally, nobody is offended. I think it would be different for many if we called him a black cracker. Try calling somebody a white n-word when they're steeped in hip-hop culture.

There are million ways to illustrate the difference in these terms, and you gotta be trying very hard to act like they're remotely the same.

 

[EasternVol]

I think there is a difference between what qualifies as a racial slur and when someone means to use a word in a racist way.

If someone says "all whites are rednecks" that would be racist, but it's not because they used a slur. There is no way to use the slang word cracker without it counting as a racial slur, because that's what it is. It can even be said without racist intent (like a white guy saying it to his friend) and it is still a slur.

If your black friend correctly calls a hillbilly a redneck, there is no problem. If your black friend calls any white person a cracker, it's something he shouldn't have said.

If my black friend incorrectly calls my hillbilly friend a redneck just because he's white, that's racist.

 

[volfanhill]

Is BB arguing with a dictionary?

It's delicious

 

[n_huffhines]

If my black friend incorrectly calls my hillbilly friend a redneck just because he's white, that's racist.

I get your point, but this doesn't make sense because if he's a hillbilly, then he used it correctly, LOL.

The difference is it's not racist because he used a slur. It's racist because of the implication. This argument started because somebody said "rednecks is a racist term," which is incorrect. All you're saying is that it can be used in a way that is racially offensive. I have never disagreed with that. All we're saying is that it's not a slur (because it's not).

 

[RikidyBones]

I have a friend who loves NASCAR, owns land, and livestock. He and I both refer to him as a black redneck. Literally, nobody is offended. I think it would be different for many if we called him a black cracker. Try calling somebody a white n-word when they're steeped in hip-hop culture.

There are million ways to illustrate the difference in these terms, and you gotta be trying very hard to act like they're remotely the same.

But you specify him as a "black" redneck as opposed to just a redneck. Why would you do that if redneck isn't just a white thing?

There was a term for the white guy in black culture. It's "wigger", if you recall from the 90s. How about the term "White chocolate?"

 

[EasternVol]

I get your point, but this doesn't make sense because if he's a hillbilly, then he used it correctly, LOL.

The difference is it's not racist because he used a slur. It's racist because of the implication. This argument started because somebody said "rednecks is a racist term," which is incorrect. All you're saying is that it can be used in a way that is racially offensive. I have never disagreed with that. All we're saying is that it's not a slur (because it's not).

Redneck is, in the very large majority of its usage, a racial term since it almost always indicates the object is white. Whether it is a racist slur (usually) or not depends on context or intent, the same as with that word that starts with n.
Not all hillbillies are rednecks btw.
What's the difference in your view between redneck, cracker, hillbilly, and for good measure peckerwood?

 

[Sea Ray]

I get your point, but this doesn't make sense because if he's a hillbilly, then he used it correctly, LOL.

The difference is it's not racist because he used a slur. It's racist because of the implication. This argument started because somebody said "rednecks is a racist term," which is incorrect. All you're saying is that it can be used in a way that is racially offensive. I have never disagreed with that. All we're saying is that it's not a slur (because it's not).

??? If I ask a black guy "who's your Daddy" then I'm factually accurate since factually speaking there's a 3 in 4 chance that his Daddy isn't married to his Mom...

 

[n_huffhines]

Redneck is, in the very large majority of its usage, a racial term since it almost always indicates the object is white. Whether it is a racist slur (usually) or not depends on context or intent, the same as with that word that starts with n.
Not all hillbillies are rednecks btw.
What's the difference in your view between redneck, cracker, hillbilly, and for good measure peckerwood?

Omg, dude. As sensitive as leftist poons.

IDK what a peckerwood is. A hillbilly is a redneck, and neither is necessarily a cracker.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

If my black friend incorrectly calls my hillbilly friend a redneck just because he's white, that's racist.

Hillbilly's and Rednecks are two completely different breeds, and to truly understand the difference means understanding American history, Appalachian settlement, vs second wave new money settlement etc etc etc. Also there's a difference between the original rednecks (coal miner wars) and modern nomenclature, where best I can tell ex plantation types have come to call themselves rednecks. But the first clue is rednecks don't like certain groups outside their own, but hillbillies just dislike everyone, including rednecks,a nd sometimes other hillbillies. Rednecks only trust governments made up of their cronies and extended family, hillbilly's distrust ALL government ESPECIALLY when ran by their extended family. Rednecks only like you if you will support their cause, Hillbilly's don't want your support or attention at all, and would prefer to be left alone. Rednecks like to farm the rich soil in the valley, Hillbillies will choose rockey horrible soil just to be left alone on the mtn.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[Majors]

You’re more of smell hair and nibble random kids kind of voter.

 

[C-south]

Omg, dude. As sensitive as leftist poons.

IDK what a peckerwood is. A hillbilly is a redneck, and neither is necessarily a cracker.

Thank god somebody knows all the rules.

 

[creekdipper]

Thank god somebody knows all the rules.

Cracker, please....

 

[EasternVol]

Omg, dude. As sensitive as leftist poons.

IDK what a peckerwood is. A hillbilly is a redneck, and neither is necessarily a cracker.

Racial and racist aren't the same. Point missed.

 

[EasternVol]

Hillbilly's and Rednecks are two completely different breeds, and to truly understand the difference means understanding American history, Appalachian settlement, vs second wave new money settlement etc etc etc. Also there's a difference between the original rednecks (coal miner wars) and modern nomenclature, where best I can tell ex plantation types have come to call themselves rednecks. But the first clue is rednecks don't like certain groups outside their own, but hillbillies just dislike everyone, including rednecks,a nd sometimes other hillbillies. Rednecks only trust governments made up of their cronies and extended family, hillbilly's distrust ALL government ESPECIALLY when ran by their extended family. Rednecks only like you if you will support their cause, Hillbilly's don't want your support or attention at all, and would prefer to be left alone. Rednecks like to farm the rich soil in the valley, Hillbillies will choose rockey horrible soil just to be left alone on the mtn.

You know the subject.

 

[EasternVol]

Omg, dude. As sensitive as leftist poons.

IDK what a peckerwood is. A hillbilly is a redneck, and neither is necessarily a cracker.

See post 3113.
A peckerwood is, as I understand it, an asinine white person. I've never heard it used as other than a slur.

 

[n_huffhines]

This has quickly become the most insufferable thread on VN.

 

[AM64]

Is BB arguing with a dictionary?

Makes sense. BB has argued with everybody and everything else; no reason to leave a dictionary out.

 

[AM64]

Redneck most certainly is used as a racial slur by some.

I'd guess hiliary only used "deplorable" because she didn't think "redneck" was inclusive enough to cover some parts of the country.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I'm tired of this stupid conversation... but the definitions you posted said "sometimes" and "often" disparaging; not always. Your 2nd definition also makes the point that I have - it is associated more with behavior and personal tastes than with a race.

“Sometimes”…. Like when another white person uses it ….. like black folks throwing around the N word

 

[Carl Pickens]

wtf.

Only a hillbilly would ever be offended by the word, and that's how you know it's not a slur against whites. When somebody says "redneck," I know they're not talking about me. If I hear "cracker," they might be talking about me. Obviously, there is a huge difference between redneck and an actual racial slur.

You ever see anyone call a black dude a red neck?