The cancel culture is getting out of control

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Rickyvol77 said:
They can’t because they have to teach what admins like Luther gets from DC on whatever political feelz hot topic is at the time. And they can’t discipline the future felons and idiots because they would appear to be bigots
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I think these are a small piece of the problem but this sentiment just mocks what is a difficult multifaceted problem.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Because the voucher cannot be include fixed costs of the public system. Any amount of money will be prohibitive for many people. I have already shown you that the cost of attending catholic exceeds what is spent on a per student basis (inclusive of fixed costs) by 2-3k per year.
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You're talking about flooding the education market with much higher demand for affordable, secular private schools. You can't look at it through the lens of the current market, that is over-represented with expensive, non-secular schools. The private landscape would change dramatically with a permanent, reliable, wide scale voucher program.
 
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n_huffhines said:
LOL

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From what I saw it seemed his issue was with the dwarves. What made you or anyone else think Peter’s issue was with snowwhite? He actually seemed to be praising Disney for that. He even said they were progressive in that way (Latina actress) but they were making a movie about 7 dwarves living in a cave. He issue was it wasn’t woke enough

He seems to have made a name for himself in acting with the few jobs available for midgets (he starred in the white and black people version of death at a funeral, which is underrated) and good for him.

But he now seems upset about 7 new roles for midget actors who aren’t as fortunate and can’t be as picky.

It’s like how everytime a black actor makes a claim like “Its sick we can only find roles as villains” that they then limited the future pool for all black roles
 
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@luthervol @ClearwaterVol

Here’s a voucher system I imagine we could all agree on.

Schools have done phenomenal at integrating community colleges with high school to the point where many students graduate with an associates degree and many will attend their JR or SR of high school on campus at a college or community college.

Do the same for tech schools. Allow any student who has x number of credits (alg 1, geometry, government, financial management, bio, chem, eng 1 and 2 maybe?) to attend a tech school with a voucher.

Instead of having cosmetology programs, masonry programs, etc use the existing infrastructure and allow kids the freedom to learn about what interests them
 
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Vol8188 said:
The money is already taken and we’ve established you don’t object to the money being taken. So the issue of “why are you entitled to take my money” has already been addressed by your approval of your money being taken.
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I support the public school system. Why do you feel entitled to remove more than you contribute?
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're talking about flooding the education market with much higher demand for affordable, secular private schools. You can't look at it through the lens of the current market, that is over-represented with expensive, non-secular schools. The private landscape would change dramatically with a permanent, reliable, wide scale voucher program.
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I disagree.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I support the public school system. Why do you feel entitled to remove more than you contribute?
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Given your issue seems to be more with the wealthy people will benefit, it seems your concern is not with "people taking more than they contribute". We can easily prove that this is not your real issue and simply a deflection by having you answer this simple question...

If it were capped at x% of your local tax burden (whatever % of your taxes go to the school) would still be okay with vouchers?
 
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Vol8188 said:
@luthervol @ClearwaterVol

Here’s a voucher system I imagine we could all agree on.

Schools have done phenomenal at integrating community colleges with high school to the point where many students graduate with an associates degree and many will attend their JR or SR of high school on campus at a college or community college.

Do the same for tech schools. Allow any student who has x number of credits (alg 1, geometry, government, financial management, bio, chem, eng 1 and 2 maybe?) to attend a tech school with a voucher.

Instead of having cosmetology programs, masonry programs, etc use the existing infrastructure and allow kids the freedom to learn about what interests them
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Our district does that. Over 30% of our students graduate with some college credit (more if you count AP credits). We work with local universities and Technical Institutes, have multiple campuses and programs from which to choose, and provide transportation if needed.
 
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luthervol said:
Our district does that. Over 30% of our students graduate with some college credit (more if you count AP credits). We work with local universities and Technical Institutes, have multiple campuses and programs from which to choose, and provide transportation if needed.
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That's great to hear. Are you actually shipping some of them out to the tech institutes or teaching them in your school but they receive tech school credit?
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're talking about flooding the education market with much higher demand for affordable, secular private schools. You can't look at it through the lens of the current market, that is over-represented with expensive, non-secular schools. The private landscape would change dramatically with a permanent, reliable, wide scale voucher program.
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Are you saying that a flood of money (via vouchers) into the private education market would drive new providers into the space to service that new demand? 🤔
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's great to hear. Are you actually shipping some of them out to the tech institutes or teaching them in your school but they receive tech school credit?
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They go there. Credits count as both high school and college credits. No charge to the students.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Are you saying that a flood of money (via vouchers) into the private education market would drive new providers into the space to service that new demand? 🤔
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Yes.

Look at it this way, if just 10% of kids currently in public school will use a $3k voucher, then that's nearly $15B or about 16% of the existing private school market. That's definitely enough $ to transform the industry. Hell, Montessori already has the structure in place, it's already pretty affordable. They're a national system and all they gotta do is expand. Others will enter the market. Existing small operations will become national. I mean, it's $15B on the low end.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yes.

Look at it this way, if just 10% of kids currently in public school will use a $3k voucher, then that's nearly $15B or about 16% of the existing private school market. That's definitely enough $ to transform the industry. Hell, Montessori already has the structure in place, it's already pretty affordable. They're a national system and all they gotta do is expand. Others will enter the market. Existing small operations will become national. I mean, it's $15B on the low end.
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You misread my poor attempt at sarcasm.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
BS. Healthcare in the US is among the best in the world, the reason it’s “ranked” where it is compared to meaningless world “studies” is because Americans have freedoms that they choose to have excess and do dumb things which affect their health (obesity, drugs, lack of exercise) etc while also having the most diverse population and one of the largest populations in the world.
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US healthcare is good when you can get it. It's access that is lacking for many, mainly due to cost. And treatment (US good) obviously isn't the same as prevention (US not so good). Americans aren't any freer to have excess and make bad choices. But we do and a lot of that is on health education, misleading advertising, etc. How does diversity and a large population factor?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Given your issue seems to be more with the wealthy people will benefit, it seems your concern is not with "people taking more than they contribute". We can easily prove that this is not your real issue and simply a deflection by having you answer this simple question...

If it were capped at x% of your local tax burden (whatever % of your taxes go to the school) would still be okay with vouchers?
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In theory, but structured that way it would just be a tax break to families that could already afford private school. If the vouchers were need based and on a sliding scale then my objections to them would alleviated in large part.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
In theory, but structured that way it would just be a tax break to families that could already afford private school. If the vouchers were need based and on a sliding scale then my objections to them would alleviated in large part.
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I thought your objection was people getting more than they paid? Now you're advocating means testing? Aren't those completely opposite?
 
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Vol8188 said:
I thought your objection was people getting more than they paid? Now you're advocating means testing? Aren't those completely opposite?
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I objected to a blanket voucher program because it would completely destroy the public school system and would further disadvantage the already disadvantaged. For that reason, I think it does not make sense for everyone to be able to pull out more than they have put in since by doing so they would be taking away education from others. If I already have my kids enrolled at Webb and am paying the tuition, what sense does it make for me to get vouchers for something that I can already afford?

With that being said, the public school system needs to be revamped. Teachers are giving too much paperwork and other tasks unrelated to teaching. They need to get back to basics and stop trying to teach with the teaching method de jour. Learn basic math with rote memorization. Teach the more advanced skills as the kids become ready. Trying to teach the grouping of 10s and what not only works when you already understand the basics. Teaching it first is stupid and makes the kids feel stupid.

The discipline in the schools needs to be aimed at removing disruptions from the classrooms. The schools, the PTAs, the volunteers have to do a better job of getting parental involvement. Too many schools simple assume parents don't want to be involved. And with some parents that is true, but it is amazing how many parents would be involved more if asked. When my daughter was in school, we did a chili cookoff for a fundraiser. Lots of parents showed up. Many wanted to be involved, but just didn't really know what they could do.
 
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