The cancel culture is getting out of control

[Vol8188]

No they should be removed from the normal kids who actually are there to learn. And not be disruptive, bullying, doing drugs and violence, etc. Those kids are the reason public schools fail and it’s their fault and their “parents” and the teachers as well

And many of them the schools cannot do anything about because they’re limited on the number of days they can be suspended

 

[Vol8188]

But your plan will not allow the 90% to leave behind the 10%. It will have maybe 30% leave and leave behind a much higher percentage of the ones not interested in learning v. those that are interested. And for what its worth I think that your number is too high and is simply throwing away children which I find repugnant.

Neither of us know if it’ll be 90 or 30, but why do you believe it will be so low?

Also how are they thrown away? I thought public education was a success?

 

[Rickyvol77]

That's the source. Social mobility is the ability to rise from poverty or sink into it. I don't know that I'd discard their health measures. A lot of Americans don't have access to quality care on par with Europe, Singapore, etc.
I scanned a few other studies and don't see the US leading in any. Are you aware of a study that puts us first?

BS. Healthcare in the US is among the best in the world, the reason it’s “ranked” where it is compared to meaningless world “studies” is because Americans have freedoms that they choose to have excess and do dumb things which affect their health (obesity, drugs, lack of exercise) etc while also having the most diverse population and one of the largest populations in the world.

 

[luthervol]

I could not let my mother and father do it. When it became clear to me what they were doing i felt horrible, guilty. It was a great education and when I left my education suffered but it was the right choice. Too much stress for them.

I entered 6th grade in 1970, the year bussing started in Nashville. I remember the "white flight" from our neighborhood and the multiple private schools that sprang up practically overnight. My parents sent my younger brother (entering 2nd grade) to private school. It lasted one year. My brothers and I were all educated in public schools in Nashville during the heart of desegregation and all now have advanced degrees. Neither of our parents had college educations.
I will always be a firm believer in the concept that an education is there for the taking. Parental support is by far and away the single biggest factor in success.

 

[Vol8188]

Bump for Luther since he’s trying to dance or around these things

For the sake of fairness I’ll bump this to state I was wrong. Luther had directly answered my question previously as he claimed, and I overlooked it. That’s on me

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Classifying you in what way? As banging crazy people? You stated in your situation the second parent wouldn’t have helped. For the kid to better off without the mother, there has to be serious issues involved. I’m not attempting to be an arrogant prick, we’ve probably all had close calls with crazy women. But we are also way to quick to excuse the “single mother of 3” in our society. Everyone’s actions have consequences.

That’s because red states are overwhelmingly black. The leaders in non martial births for example are MS and Louisiana. Also two of the poorest states.

Whites and blacks don't divorce at hugely different rate. 38% v. 42%.

If the relationship between the mother and father is not good then a single parent household is preferable for the kids. Treating them to disfunction is no way to raise a kid. That doesn't require crazy. But you are judgmental and reach conclusions based upon preconceived notions all the while trying to siphon off money you didn't contribute to the public school system. Why should you or anyone be entitled to pull money from the system which they didn't contribute?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Here is another perspective. If you are given the cost that it takes to educate a student in the form of a voucher, you are taking money I contributed to the public school system via property and income taxes. Why are you entitled to take my money? Keep in mind I have no children in the system.

Dumb argument. This was already decided in case law about you have no direct choice to where your taxes go

 

[Rickyvol77]

I do not want vouchers. If we do use vouchers then they should be used in away that does not increase the segregation and damage public education. There is an easy solution. Let vouchers be used for those most in need and in a way that shares the burden of educating EVERYONE.

Public education is already damaged and has been since the 1960s

 

[luthervol]

Total group or that the kids receiving vouchers outperform the kids in the public schools? That’s my claim. No system will work for 100% of students but voucher systems get kids in better environments and produce better outcomes

I'm talking about the overall impact to education. That is my overriding concern.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Neither of us know if it’ll be 90 or 30, but why do you believe it will be so low?

Also how are they thrown away? I thought public education was a success?

Because the voucher cannot be include fixed costs of the public system. Any amount of money will be prohibitive for many people. I have already shown you that the cost of attending catholic exceeds what is spent on a per student basis (inclusive of fixed costs) by 2-3k per year.

 

[C-south]

Here is another perspective. If you are given the cost that it takes to educate a student in the form of a voucher, you are taking money I contributed to the public school system via property and income taxes. Why are you entitled to take my money? Keep in mind I have no children in the system.

You should go to your local H&R Block, stand outside, and berate everyone who enters.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Work harder. Your success/failure is the direct result of your choices.

You don’t say lol.

 

[Vol8188]

Whites and blacks don't divorce at hugely different rate. 38% v. 42%.

If the relationship between the mother and father is not good then a single parent household is preferable for the kids. Treating them to disfunction is no way to raise a kid. That doesn't require crazy. But you are judgmental and reach conclusions based upon preconceived notions all the while trying to siphon off money you didn't contribute to the public school system. Why should you or anyone be entitled to pull money from the system which they didn't contribute?

The entire conversation is about single parent households. The racial discrepancy there is massive. We could cure a massive amount of what racial inequalities in our society do exist through fixing that one issue. That’s why it’s political. The right focuses on those traditional family values and realizes a return to them would fix a ton of our issues.

The left openly wants to (I don’t remember the exact verb from BLM/Marxism) disrupt/dismantle this family structure. It’s where you get the nonsensical “strong independent women don’t need a man” attitude. The “uncle sam is the only daddy my kids needs” line of thinking.

 

[C-south]

I'm talking about the overall impact to education. That is my overriding concern.

Yea, the ones you want to waste vouchers on are the ones you’ll be stuck with. We get it.

 

[Rickyvol77]

What I would love is if these school districts took up the same frameworks and structure that make private schools so successful.

They can’t because they have to teach what admins like Luther gets from DC on whatever political feelz hot topic is at the time. And they can’t discipline the future felons and idiots because they would appear to be bigots

 

[luthervol]

Yea, the ones you want to waste vouchers on are the ones you’ll be stuck with. We get it.

Dig a little deeper. You may actually discover something.

 

[Vol8188]

I'm talking about the overall impact to education. That is my overriding concern.

I’m about to have to leave and focus on some work stuff but I’ll leave you with these last thoughts.

We would both agree no system will save all kids. So the goal should be saving the most and providing them the highest education. The NY voucher system for example is a lottery system and the students chosen by that lottery (at random) consistently outperform the students who applied for that lottery (so you can’t proclaim we are comparing a group who cares to a group who doesn’t since both applied, or a group with better parents or more money).

To me that’s powerful. To me that says we need to be doing this for all kids. Especially those in bad situations. I’m not sure I could’ve gotten a proper education in some schools because of the hall way and classroom environment. Legislation such as NCLB and the Americans with disabilities act prevent us from removing many of the disciplinary issues from those schools.

Because of that the only option I see is removing the kids who care and who want more, so they have additional opportunity

 

[85SugarVol]

When did the concept of “public education” first enter the American experience? Have we always had it?

 

[Vol8188]

Here is another perspective. If you are given the cost that it takes to educate a student in the form of a voucher, you are taking money I contributed to the public school system via property and income taxes. Why are you entitled to take my money? Keep in mind I have no children in the system.

The money is already taken and we’ve established you don’t object to the money being taken. So the issue of “why are you entitled to take my money” has already been addressed by your approval of your money being taken.

 

[Rickyvol77]

But your plan will not allow the 90% to leave behind the 10%. It will have maybe 30% leave and leave behind a much higher percentage of the ones not interested in learning v. those that are interested. And for what its worth I think that your number is too high and is simply throwing away children which I find repugnant.

So like typical socialism/communism type thinking, we should make everyone have a C type life because some losers and miscreants may have an F one?

 

[KB5252]

I entered 6th grade in 1970, the year bussing started in Nashville. I remember the "white flight" from our neighborhood and the multiple private schools that sprang up practically overnight. My parents sent my younger brother (entering 2nd grade) to private school. It lasted one year. My brothers and I were all educated in public schools in Nashville during the heart of desegregation and all now have advanced degrees. Neither of our parents had college educations.
I will always be a firm believer in the concept that an education is there for the taking. Parental support is by far and away the single biggest factor in success.

I don't disagree, but in the most distressed schools parental involvement doesn't exist.

 

[n_huffhines]

LOL

 

[Rickyvol77]

I entered 6th grade in 1970, the year bussing started in Nashville. I remember the "white flight" from our neighborhood and the multiple private schools that sprang up practically overnight. My parents sent my younger brother (entering 2nd grade) to private school. It lasted one year. My brothers and I were all educated in public schools in Nashville during the heart of desegregation and all now have advanced degrees. Neither of our parents had college educations.
I will always be a firm believer in the concept that an education is there for the taking. Parental support is by far and away the single biggest factor in success.

Luther this is the one thing I’ll agree with you 100% about success in life. It always goes back to choices made by your parents and yourself. If people are struggling after three generations, they have no one to blame but themselves

 

[Rickyvol77]

Whites and blacks don't divorce at hugely different rate. 38% v. 42%.

If the relationship between the mother and father is not good then a single parent household is preferable for the kids. Treating them to disfunction is no way to raise a kid. That doesn't require crazy. But you are judgmental and reach conclusions based upon preconceived notions all the while trying to siphon off money you didn't contribute to the public school system. Why should you or anyone be entitled to pull money from the system which they didn't contribute?

Lol your last sentence is hilarious considering your politics

 

[Vol8188]

If the relationship between the mother and father is not good then a single parent household is preferable for the kids. Treating them to disfunction is no way to raise a kid.

Am I misreading this or are you promoting the idea of women who take the kids and keep good fathers out of their life because their relationship with the dad isn’t good? Because that’s one of the sicker things occurring in our legal system today. And given the disproportionate rate of unmarried births it probably impacts black men a lot more.