The Case for Eric Ainge

#26
#26
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Originally posted by VolsWinRLose@Nov 9, 2005 11:36 PM
I have a hard time giving Ainge much sympathy for that monkey - or RC either, for that matter. Their primary worry should be "Am I doing what has to be done to win this game"?

To their credit, I've never heard either use the QB revolving door as an excuse, but I read it a lot on here. It shouldn't be an excuse. Wouldn't this qualify as one of those "me me me" issues that we all agree no team member should have?
If that's been on their minds, then they are more to blame for it than to excuse.
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I don't know man. I think they had to have had some worries about getting yanked. That has to do something to ones mentality while in the game.

I see it this way, they call in a long pass play, Ainge calls it in the huddle, they break. Ainge walks to the line thinking "ok, we can get this done, but what if I overthrow or whatever". He has to be down on himself almost every play worried he might get pulled for a bad play.

That should be one less thing they should worry about. I know Ainge really screwed up this year, but The revolving QB had to be some part of the reason.
 
#27
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Originally posted by USAF_Vol@Nov 7, 2005 8:13 PM
Everytime I see a BS post, I gotta say.  I wish he were still here.  But seriously.  We do need to know the transfer crap off.  I read somewhere, I think this thread.  Get a good solid QB coach and work the off season.  Hell, look what Weiss did with Quinn.  We need to develop what we got. :twocents:
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AMEN!!!
 
#28
#28
Ainge has one of the best arms in college football. he just needs a coach who has a clue
 
#29
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I checked Quinn's stats last year. of course he played just about the entire season unopposed. His stats last year are about the median of Clausen and Ainge, which equals mediocre at best. And we now see what a good coach has done for him. So all the Ainge nay-sayers should be a little more optimistic about him if we get a good OC.
 
#31
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What is going to crack me up is when Ainge regains his form in these last three games and does very well. The posts on this board will be interesting to read if that happens.
 
#32
#32
think about it for a sec. Ainge is only a sophomore. Last year he and Schaeffer split time before he was injured for the season. This season RS and PF couldn't make up their minds and Ainge ends up splitting time with Clausen. It seems to me that Ainge hasn't had a proper chance to develop in this offense. Hopefully we won't see Rick Clausen again this season, unless it's against Vandy for Senior Class props. Other than that I say go with Ainge for better or worse this season and we'll see a much better player next year. Crompton has plenty of time to make his mark at UT, no need to rush him onto the field.
 
#33
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There is a better way to analyse Erik Ainge's development this season. He's only started 3 games this season. Only 1 of those was in the friendly confines of Neyland Stadium. The other 2 starts were against top 10 teams at LSU and at Notre Dame. He also has only had 9 starts in his entire career at Tennessee.

The Vols are 6-3 in games which Ainge starts. The home wins are against Alabama and UAB. The road wins are at Georgia, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and LSU. The home losses are to Auburn and Notre Dame... while the road loss is at Notre Dame. The Vols are 2-2 at home and 4-1 on the road when Ainge starts. The Vols are 2-2 versus ranked opponents when Ainge starts. 3 of those games against ranked opponents were on the road. His stats in these 9 games are 98-of-207 for 1242 yards, 11 TDs and 13 ints for a qbr 102.7.

The Vols are 3-3 in games which Ainge plays off the bench. Home wins include UNLV, Florida, and Louisiana Tech. There is 1 home loss, against South Carolina. Both road games were losses... to Florida and Alabama. The Vols are 0-2 on the road and 3-1 at home when Ainge plays off the bench. The Vols are 1-2 against ranked opponents when Ainge plays off of the bench. 2 of those game against ranked opponents were on the road. His stats in these 6 games are 59-of-108 for 720 yards, 9 TDs, 2 ints, and a qbr 134.4.

His total career stats are for 15 game appearances, 157-of-315 for 1962 yards, 20 TDs, 15 ints, and a career qbr of 113.6.

Saturday's game against Notre Dame is only the 2nd game in Ainge's career that he has not shared snaps with another quarterback. The other was against Alabama last season.


 
#36
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Originally posted by allvol@Nov 10, 2005 3:33 PM
The Vols are 4-1 on the road when Ainge starts. 

The Vols are 3-1 at home when Ainge plays off the bench.
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So what they should have been doing is starting Ainge on the road and bringing him in off the bench at home.
 
#37
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Originally posted by therickbol@Nov 10, 2005 2:17 PM
What is going to crack me up is when Ainge regains his form in these last three games and does very well. The posts on this board will be interesting to read if that happens.
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Whatever happens in these last three games is meaningless because it will be against teams of less quality than the ones that kicked his butt.

You have to do it in the big games against the good teams to impress me. Not Vanderbilt and Kentucky. :nono:
 
#38
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Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 10, 2005 4:35 PM
Whatever happens in these last three games is meaningless because it will be against teams of less quality than the ones that kicked his butt.

You have to do it in the big games against the good teams to impress me.  Not Vanderbilt and Kentucky. :nono:
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Then again, the way this season has gone, these last three games are very big because if we lose one of them, it will be our first non bowl year in 18 years, which is an embarrassment for starting the season ranked #3.

We'll definitely be the laughing stock of the NCAA.

:banghead:
 
#39
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Originally posted by allvol@Nov 10, 2005 6:03 PM
There is a better way to analyse Erik Ainge's development this season.  He's only started 3 games this season.  Only 1 of those was in the friendly confines of Neyland Stadium.  The other 2 starts were against top 10 teams at LSU and at Notre Dame.  He also has only had 9 starts in his entire career at Tennessee. 

The Vols are 6-3 in games which Ainge starts.  The home wins are against Alabama and UAB.  The road wins are at Georgia, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and LSU.  The home losses are to Auburn and Notre Dame... while the road loss is at Notre Dame.  The Vols are 2-2 at home and 4-1 on the road when Ainge starts.  The Vols are 2-2 versus ranked opponents when Ainge starts.  3 of those games against ranked opponents were on the road.  His stats in these  9 games are 98-of-207 for 1242 yards, 11 TDs and 13 ints for a qbr 102.7.

The Vols are 3-3 in games which Ainge plays off the bench.  Home wins include UNLV, Florida, and Louisiana Tech.  There is 1 home loss, against South Carolina.  Both road games were losses... to Florida and Alabama.  The Vols are 0-2 on the road and 3-1 at home when Ainge plays off the bench.  The Vols are 1-2 against ranked opponents when Ainge plays off of the bench.  2 of those game against ranked opponents were on the road.  His stats in these 6 games are 59-of-108 for 720 yards, 9 TDs, 2 ints, and a qbr 134.4.

His total career stats are for 15 game appearances, 157-of-315 for 1962 yards, 20 TDs, 15 ints, and a career qbr of 113.6.

Saturday's game against Notre Dame is only the 2nd game in Ainge's career that he has not shared snaps with another quarterback.  The other was against Alabama last season.
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Don't buy it. This "start-wins" thing is not much of a stat when you have two QBs rotating in and out.

Ainge is not the same football player, look at his eyes, they tell it all. :disappointed:

He's had two Springs and one Fall and a lot of playing time and he's gone backwards, big time. I'm telling you this is in his head not his mechanics or "too much offense", he's been looking at that playbook and film since he was a senior in HS.

No, there is something gun shy about him, I hope they can get him a psych consult in the off season. :ill_h4h:
 
#40
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I hope Ainge can regain his composure and confidence. He has the arm to make the big plays. He needs to start the rest of this season and hopefully regain some of what he has lost.
 
#41
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therickbol, he could throw for 500 yards against all three of those opponets and it wouldn't change my mind. now if we play iowa in the music city bowl and he throws for 350 then i would be optomistic. he will struggle in all those games i predict and we probably won't go to a bowl. now i'm just waiting for him to prove me wrong he hasn't all year. the vandy game really scares me.
 
#42
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Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 10, 2005 4:35 PM
You have to do it in the big games against the good teams to impress me. 
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Does that apply to your line of thinking for Spring Practice as well? So just because a certain player did better than another in spring practice as you've said before that really shouldn't matter after all.....right?
 
#43
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 10, 2005 11:27 PM
Does that apply to your line of thinking for Spring Practice as well? So just because a certain player did better than another in spring practice as you've said before that really shouldn't matter after all.....right?
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No, i'm not talking about how he does compared to Clausen. I'm talking about how he does compared to his own past performances of the year.

Analogy: I play Madden football on the All-Madden settings. I suck it up. Then I put the settings on easy, and start showing improvement. My improvement doesn't necessarily mean very much because it was against competition of lesser skill/talent.

I EXPECT him to play better against vandy/kentucky because they are not as much of a challenge as say LSU, UGA, etc. If he faces the tough foes again, and fares better then I'll give him respect. But Vandy and KY aren't gonna score you points with me.

Do you understand the concept of "strength of schedule"??? it basically means that how good you play doesn't mean very much if it is against the lower tier teams. That's what I meant when I said what I said about Vandy and KY. I wasn't making player-to-player comparisons. I was comparing the same player to himself against different skill/talent level opponents.
 
#44
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Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 11, 2005 11:14 AM
Analogy:  I play Madden football on the All-Madden settings.   I suck it up.
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Weren't you the same loudmouth who was asking everyone where they coached college football and what their "qualifications" are. And now yours are you play a friggin video game....that kicks your butt?

Excuse me while I chortle. :D

And one well deserved:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

:lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove:
 
#45
#45
I'm sure there are those of you who have better "inside info" than me...but what I was told was that Ainge won't prepare properly (practice, film study, etc.). If so, he's a waste of time...and talent.
 
#46
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Originally posted by therickbol@Nov 10, 2005 3:17 PM
What is going to crack me up is when Ainge regains his form in these last three games and does very well. The posts on this board will be interesting to read if that happens.
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Whats gonna be more interesting and more likely is when Ainge plays the last 3 games like he has all year, to hear what excuses you guys make.
 
#47
#47
I kept being a believer up until today, and I now believe that Ainge is history at U.T. I thought he would get it together, but whatever he lost during and after the injury from the ND game has absolutely ruined him.

I have to move on because I now believe he won't play again for the Vols unless Clausen gets hurt this year.
 
#48
#48
surreal, i agree. the only way i see him playing though is if clausen truly sux it up out there. i believe that he is too much mentally unstable to handle the situation. you never know what your getting in a game with him. uts needs qbs that are consistent.
 
#49
#49
``I don't think I handled it well, not getting to play all the time early and I felt like I should,'' Ainge said this week.

Is his ego bruised so bad that he cant get over a 3 rd stringer from last year coiming in the the UAB LSU and Memphis to save his butt. Fulmer gave him all the snaps last week and he completely was a bust today. He had no reason to look over his shoulder. That right there is 3 of our 4 wins. Come spring when he is against Crompton he better get his act together and stop feeling sorry for himself. He either will need to transfer and start fresh or be prepared not to play if this continues. It is obvious Fulmer would prefer to play him over Clausen , but the guy simply is not playing well.
 
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