The Coach is failing

#26
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mgv said:
Pretty easy to ignore a loss against a bad team when Pearl had taken UT to 6 straight tournaments, gave us one of the best wins I have seen at UT against Kansas, and taken a team to the elite 8. People focused on their own agenda don't recognize anything but what will support their own argument. It is harder to overlook a bad loss with a coach that hasn't done anything yet.
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The man hasnt coached a full season yet. Let alone 6. He hasnt even had a full year to recruit the guys he wants for his system. For all you know by his 6th year we could win a championship. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. Sure it is harder to overlook a bad loss but who has said that TN is even a good team right now? A bad team lost to another bad team as far as im concerned.

These guys have had little time to gel together. They have 1 senior who isnt leading like a senior. A pg who has shown flashes of being good but has regressed dramatically. A PF that is a good but is greatly affected by taller opponents. A center that is a head case and cant seem to put it together. Also a SG who is streaky at best. They are far from a finished product and should be treated as such. In basketball it is way easier to lose to an "inferior" opponent than football. Maybe you don't watch much basketball.
 
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10NCVol88 said:
The man hasnt coached a full season yet. Let alone 6. He hasnt even had a full year to recruit the guys he wants for his system. For all you know by his 6th year we could win a championship. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. Sure it is harder to overlook a bad loss but who has said that TN is even a good team right now? A bad team lost to another bad team as far as im concerned.

These guys have had little time to gel together. They have 1 senior who isnt leading like a senior. A pg who has shown flashes of being good but has regressed dramatically. A PF that is a good but is greatly affected by taller opponents. A center that is a head case and cant seem to put it together. Also a SG who is streaky at best. They are far from a finished product and should be treated as such. In basketball it is way easier to lose to an "inferior" opponent than football. Maybe you don't watch much basketball.
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That's BS, if he can't work with a starting five that were all top 100 players, something tells me Derek Reese is not going to make that big of a difference. As for the rest of your spill, thanks for making a better case for poor management of this years team.
 
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#29
My goodness - and I thought UK fans were supposed to be knowledgeable about basketball? This guy is a lunatic.

Lol @ McBee and Tatum being talented. Look at McBee's offer list out of high school and tell me he is more talented than some of the guys we played tonight.. no.. just no. With the exception of Golden (who still plays like crap), Maymon, and Mcrae... CoC was more talented in most every match up.
 
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No one can blame Martin for the talent he inherited. He is playing the hand he was dealt, and unfortunately, he didn't come up aces.

However, where he can be faulted, is in the way he manages the players he has and the gameplan he puts in place for those players to execute. Playing Kenny Hall for the majority of the 2nd half last night with Miller on the bench is inexcusable barring injury or suspension on Miller's behalf. Miller nearly doubles his career high in the 1st half alone, and he doesn't see the floor until under 13 minutes to play and then hardly plays at all after that.

Refusal to adjust to CoC's zone defense and simply trying to shoot your way out of it is on the coach as well. This team is 0-5 when trailing at the half. That speaks to a lack of gameplan adjustments at halftime. Bobby Cremins realized last night, that his 1st half defensive strategy was not working and he adjusted accordingly. Tennessee consequently, let a one time 15-point first half lead implodes into a 14-point 2nd half deficit. How did that happen? The same way it has happened in other losses. Refusal to get the ball in the paint, whether it be to the post or driving it to the middle. Our ball movement in the second half offensively was nauseating. We looked like a version of last year's stale offensive gameplan, passing the ball back and forth 35 feet from the basket, not making their guys move at all defensively. We looked like we had never seen a 2-3 zone defense before.

This isn't a Fire Cuonzo post, but he is going to have to recognize that success in the 1st half doesn't always translate to the 2nd half because good coaches will adjust to compensate for 1st half deficiencies. He has to learn to counter that with an alternative gameplan himself. Last night was a glaring example of an experienced head coach in Cremins vs a coach still getting his feet wet.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
My goodness - and I thought UK fans were supposed to be knowledgeable about basketball? This guy is a lunatic.

Lol @ McBee and Tatum being talented. Look at McBee's offer list out of high school and tell me he is more talented than some of the guys we played tonight.. no.. just no. With the exception of Golden (who still plays like crap), Maymon, and Mcrae... CoC was more talented in most every match up.
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And don't forget to add - that C of C appeared the much better coached team and the team capable of making adjustments both at halftime and during the game.
 
#36
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cncchris33 said:
No one can blame Martin for the talent he inherited. He is playing the hand he was dealt, and unfortunately, he didn't come up aces.

However, where he can be faulted, is in the way he manages the players he has and the gameplan he puts in place for those players to execute. Playing Kenny Hall for the majority of the 2nd half last night with Miller on the bench is inexcusable barring injury or suspension on Miller's behalf. Miller nearly doubles his career high in the 1st half alone, and he doesn't see the floor until under 13 minutes to play and then hardly plays at all after that.

Refusal to adjust to CoC's zone defense and simply trying to shoot your way out of it is on the coach as well. This team is 0-5 when trailing at the half. That speaks to a lack of gameplan adjustments at halftime. Bobby Cremins realized last night, that his 1st half defensive strategy was not working and he adjusted accordingly. Tennessee consequently, let a one time 15-point first half lead implodes into a 14-point 2nd half deficit. How did that happen? The same way it has happened in other losses. Refusal to get the ball in the paint, whether it be to the post or driving it to the middle. Our ball movement in the second half offensively was nauseating. We looked like a version of last year's stale offensive gameplan, passing the ball back and forth 35 feet from the basket, not making their guys move at all defensively. We looked like we had never seen a 2-3 zone defense before.

This isn't a Fire Cuonzo post, but he is going to have to recognize that success in the 1st half doesn't always translate to the 2nd half because good coaches will adjust to compensate for 1st half deficiencies. He has to learn to counter that with an alternative gameplan himself. Last night was a glaring example of an experienced head coach in Cremins vs a coach still getting his feet wet.
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Excellent - someone that actually watched the same game that I watched. To be successful - someone on that staff of 12 or whatever they have over there has to coach and make sound adjustments during the game.

This is absolutely not a Pearl or Cuonzo issue - it is a good coaching issue. If it was Cremins or Ray Mears or
Wade Houston or Pat Riley the same arguments would hold true.
 
#38
#38
OrangeBalls said:
That team also beat Pitt, Villanova and swept Vandy. I'd say that little thing with the NCAA had something to do with the team's losses last year. Anyone that says otherwise needs their head examined. We didn't seem to lose to teams like that until year 6 when the NCAA was snooping around. We also never lost to a 1-9 Peay team at home. That's Wade Houstonesque.

Pearl is to blame for the roster and some of what is going on now. However, he isn't coaching on the sideline this year when we've looked lost against a zone and couldn't defend if our lives depended on it.
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I agree our defense is not what I expected. Again, give CCM time to change the culture. We also lost 75% of our scoring and rebounding from last season...
 
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Calculon said:
You can't have it both ways. This team has a terrible roster compared to last year and there is no one to blame but Pearl, his staff, and their NCAA trouble. This program is still in the wake of what happened last year. I see the same uninspired play from less talented players. You can't really polish a turd unless you ate some gold. It is way too early to hang this on Martin.
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I notice the same people who wanted Pearl fired are the same ones who defend martin the most. I suspect that
you are covering you're tracks to keep from looking anymore brain dead than you were this time last year. The fact is that martin is in over his head and can't swim.
 
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1985Vols said:
I agree our defense is not what I expected. Again, give CCM time to change the culture. We also lost 75% of our scoring and rebounding from last season...
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You keep posting we lost 75% of our scoring and thats not true. Do you think posting incorrect data over and over makes it so. Are you a politician?
 
#43
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Judge_Smails said:
I read some of these posts blaming Pearl for not leaving anyone, blaming the players, etc. UT has plenty of talent. Mcbee, Tatum, Maymon, Golden...these are all guys who should not have any problem beating Austin Peay at home or C of C anywhere.

Why in the world would Gonzo keep shooting 3's when you have Naymon in the middle? They should have fed him everytime before kicking it out. Every single time. The 3 is always going to be available, why keep trying against a team that clearly doesnt have the horses to play in the middle? Are they set on running an out of control offense? If thats the case just play 5 point guards and shoot 3's all night. Dumb offense, dumb strategy = terrible coaching.

Coming from a neutral party----the problem isnt on the court, your problem is the coach. Reminds me of UK with Gillispie. They had Meeks, Patterson, Bradley and Crawford and still couldnt win a game.
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Clueless comes to mind when I read that post.
 
#44
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cncchris33 said:
No one can blame Martin for the talent he inherited. He is playing the hand he was dealt, and unfortunately, he didn't come up aces.

However, where he can be faulted, is in the way he manages the players he has and the gameplan he puts in place for those players to execute. Playing Kenny Hall for the majority of the 2nd half last night with Miller on the bench is inexcusable barring injury or suspension on Miller's behalf. Miller nearly doubles his career high in the 1st half alone, and he doesn't see the floor until under 13 minutes to play and then hardly plays at all after that.

Refusal to adjust to CoC's zone defense and simply trying to shoot your way out of it is on the coach as well. This team is 0-5 when trailing at the half. That speaks to a lack of gameplan adjustments at halftime. Bobby Cremins realized last night, that his 1st half defensive strategy was not working and he adjusted accordingly. Tennessee consequently, let a one time 15-point first half lead implodes into a 14-point 2nd half deficit. How did that happen? The same way it has happened in other losses. Refusal to get the ball in the paint, whether it be to the post or driving it to the middle. Our ball movement in the second half offensively was nauseating. We looked like a version of last year's stale offensive gameplan, passing the ball back and forth 35 feet from the basket, not making their guys move at all defensively. We looked like we had never seen a 2-3 zone defense before.

This isn't a Fire Cuonzo post, but he is going to have to recognize that success in the 1st half doesn't always translate to the 2nd half because good coaches will adjust to compensate for 1st half deficiencies. He has to learn to counter that with an alternative gameplan himself. Last night was a glaring example of an experienced head coach in Cremins vs a coach still getting his feet wet.
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It's quite evident that our guys are poorly coached on zone offense, but with the sloppy passing of our guards would we be able to execute if we knew how to attack a zone defense?
 
#45
#45
Calculon said:
Nah. He just lost to a Charlotte team on the road that went 1-12 to finish the season. His team was also blown out by College of Charleston at home. The Oakland loss was also at home. Comparing miseries should really start after the Pitt win. Everything kind of unraveled from then on. That includes now. This is also a much less talented team than last year's.
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Not to mention the Indianapolis team also.
 
#46
#46
Fullfillmer said:
And don't forget to add - that C of C appeared the much better coached team and the team capable of making adjustments both at halftime and during the game.
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We exposed the zone plenty of times. McBee hit a stretch where he bricked 4 or 5 wide open 3's in a row. We were getting good looks - just not hitting shots.. that was in the stretch they went on a 13-0 run.
 
#47
#47
I was at the game and from where I was sitting it was difficult to see the height differentials so I am not sure about the OP saying it was obvious we could pound them. We started out very agressive on the offensive glass and these easy putbacks accounted for the solid field goal percentage in the first half. Until the 3's at the very end of the game when it was basically over we just didnt shoot that well. The team did seem unorganized on the offensive end but this is not uncommon with first year coaches as they are trying to implement an entire system and many start with defense first

i was more disappointed that it seemed the team lost their agressive edge they had in the first half. CoC did start blocking out better but UT had the athletes to still get to the glass but it seemed they were just not as agressive after the first 15 minutes or so. The defensive intensity also seemed to drop once the game tightened up. This was disappointing and I thought that defensively our guys should have been able to shut down what they wanted to do - we did in the first 15 minutes or so of the game but after that CoC got great shots, in fact probably got better shots on average than we got
 
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#48
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Judge_Smails said:
I read some of these posts blaming Pearl for not leaving anyone, blaming the players, etc. UT has plenty of talent. Mcbee, Tatum, Maymon, Golden...these are all guys who should not have any problem beating Austin Peay at home or C of C anywhere.

Why in the world would Gonzo keep shooting 3's when you have Naymon in the middle? They should have fed him everytime before kicking it out. Every single time. The 3 is always going to be available, why keep trying against a team that clearly doesnt have the horses to play in the middle? Are they set on running an out of control offense? If thats the case just play 5 point guards and shoot 3's all night. Dumb offense, dumb strategy = terrible coaching.

Coming from a neutral party----the problem isnt on the court, your problem is the coach. Reminds me of UK with Gillispie. They had Meeks, Patterson, Bradley and Crawford and still couldnt win a game.
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Judge_Smails said:
Laugh all you want, but he's more talented than anyone on AP or C of C's team.
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Don't look now but your ignorance is showing.
 
#49
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cncchris33 said:
No one can blame Martin for the talent he inherited. He is playing the hand he was dealt, and unfortunately, he didn't come up aces.

However, where he can be faulted, is in the way he manages the players he has and the gameplan he puts in place for those players to execute. Playing Kenny Hall for the majority of the 2nd half last night with Miller on the bench is inexcusable barring injury or suspension on Miller's behalf. Miller nearly doubles his career high in the 1st half alone, and he doesn't see the floor until under 13 minutes to play and then hardly plays at all after that.

Refusal to adjust to CoC's zone defense and simply trying to shoot your way out of it is on the coach as well. This team is 0-5 when trailing at the half. That speaks to a lack of gameplan adjustments at halftime. Bobby Cremins realized last night, that his 1st half defensive strategy was not working and he adjusted accordingly. Tennessee consequently, let a one time 15-point first half lead implodes into a 14-point 2nd half deficit. How did that happen? The same way it has happened in other losses. Refusal to get the ball in the paint, whether it be to the post or driving it to the middle. Our ball movement in the second half offensively was nauseating. We looked like a version of last year's stale offensive gameplan, passing the ball back and forth 35 feet from the basket, not making their guys move at all defensively. We looked like we had never seen a 2-3 zone defense before.

This isn't a Fire Cuonzo post, but he is going to have to recognize that success in the 1st half doesn't always translate to the 2nd half because good coaches will adjust to compensate for 1st half deficiencies. He has to learn to counter that with an alternative gameplan himself. Last night was a glaring example of an experienced head coach in Cremins vs a coach still getting his feet wet.
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Bingo!
Personally, I don't think you will see Cuonzo coaching here past next year.
 
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