The Cuonzo Martin Tenure As Of Today

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Cartervol said:
You can get a good one if you're willing to pay the price. UT wants to be first rate while doing it as cheaply as possible.

Martin was another Hamilton filler hire and nothing more. Not much was expected of him other than holding the fort down. He's not disappointing.
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You're proving my point. I'm just not foolish enough to believe we'd ever shell out the money to hire a top level basketball coach to begin with. We continued to attempt to catch lightning in a bottle like we did with Pearl with our Missouri Valley-esque budget.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You're proving my point. I'm just not foolish enough to believe we'd ever shell out the money to hire a top level basketball coach to begin with. We continued to attempt to catch lightning in a bottle like we did with Pearl with our Missouri Valley-esque budget.
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except Pearl had success winning conference championships and ncaa games.

ccm proved nothing at MSU. you get what you pay for, but if youre going for a mid major coach, get one that has a winning resume
 
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cncchris33 said:
You're proving my point. I'm just not foolish enough to believe we'd ever shell out the money to hire a top level basketball coach to begin with. We continued to attempt to catch lightning in a bottle like we did with Pearl with our Missouri Valley-esque budget.
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but you cant say good coaches wouldnt come here vs not being willing to pay for good coaches.

thas two separate arguments. i guarantee UT could get a really really good, established coach if they paid them.
 
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BS calls here and there that impacted the game at key points, most notably McRae's technical (2 made free throws plus the ball) and Maymon blatantly fouled while attempting a layup in the 2nd half. Essentialy those 2 alone turned into 6 points for Wichita State and momentum their way. Stokes didn't impact the game like we needed him to. Other than missed free throws, I was very impressed with the way UT played on the road in a relatively hostile environment. I to would love nothing more than to have Pearl back. Do the reasons for Pearl coming back outweigh the reasons against him coming back?
 
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cncchris33 said:
You're proving my point. I'm just not foolish enough to believe we'd ever shell out the money to hire a top level basketball coach to begin with. We continued to attempt to catch lightning in a bottle like we did with Pearl with our Missouri Valley-esque budget.
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Bud with all do respect you are wrong. You are a great poster on here man, but donors will pay for big time guys. The donor I know said that UT came close to hiring a top notch/top 10 football coach in country. He'd never tell me or his family who, but this guy isn't a BS type guy. He's a make millions of dollars guy and tell ya about it. My man is very involved with the hiring process and he loves him some UT basketball. He owns press box seats and everything. Our problem is our donors don't chose who the AD and president are. Hart wants to budget cut until all former coaches have been repaid. That's Pearl, former baseball coach, and Dooley. Hart and Cheek are also in the process of redoing much of the UT campus image by helping fund money made by sports to the university to start reinventing UT campus to a more modern look, which I'm very down with. UT is NOT broke. With the Haslems and guys like my man, they could fund a small militia if they wanted too. The problem is there is a conflict of interest between big donors and Hart and Cheek. Hart knows he has the money to spend on a huge hire, but what he wants to do is nail that hire on a low budget offer. He wants to low ball proven coaches. He tired this approach last year and we were a few coaching prospects away from hiring another Dooley 2.0 who had never proved one thing. The donors won't support Hart unless he proves he can negotiate and seal a contract with a proven winner, my man said that Butch was considered pure luck from a lack of options by most high up people at UT. These donors want a proven young coach. I'm talking Shaka Smart, Steve Prohm, Andy Toole, Mike Rice, etc., but there confidence in Hart's ability to land one is slim to none as of now.
 
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I haven't liked Hart since he ran off Wilcox and company keckjm and it did look like he lucked up and backed into hiring CBJ
 
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chipmurphy461 said:
BS calls here and there that impacted the game at key points, most notably McRae's technical (2 made free throws plus the ball) and Maymon blatantly fouled while attempting a layup in the 2nd half. Essentialy those 2 alone turned into 6 points for Wichita State and momentum their way. Stokes didn't impact the game like we needed him to. Other than missed free throws, I was very impressed with the way UT played on the road in a relatively hostile environment. I to would love nothing more than to have Pearl back. Do the reasons for Pearl coming back outweigh the reasons against him coming back?
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Probably not. It's not worth dwelling on anyway because it will never happen.

That doesn't mean we can't find a good replacement for Cuonzo though
 
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governmentmule said:
I haven't liked Hart since he ran off Wilcox and company keckjm and it did look like he lucked up and backed into hiring CBJ
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I mean I wanna be clear I'm not some insider. I simple know a family that's like a second family to me that happen to have family members, 2 for you goobers who wanna question me, who are huge donors to UT, a part of a building is even named after one of them on UT campus. They themselves, the family I know and went to games with, are also donors and have basketball and football season tickets, and are a big reason I grew up the Vol fan I did. They relay all things UT on the spot when they know them. I knew Butch was hired six hours before it was ever reported. I never relay these things to others on a internet site due to the fact that just two days before I received a call at midnight saying Strong had accepted the head coaching job at UT, which he had. Nothing is set in stone until all things are agreed upon though, and from my understanding negotiations with Strong were brutal in terms of Harts approach. My source said it was quote "embarrassing and amateur in the part of Cheek and Hart."
 
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no problem keckjm, i haven't been impressed with Hart at all,but it does seem i should include Cheeks in with him
 
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governmentmule said:
no problem keckjm, i haven't been impressed with Hart at all,but it does seem i should include Cheeks in with him
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They are pretty much one in the same. Everything hiring wise must go through both of them. From what I've heard Hart is just a piss poor negotiator and salesman. It's makes sense when you see the track record he's had with hiring coaches. His best hire was Leonard Hamilton at FSU and up until 2008-2009 season he had done nothing more then Martin has here and he had been there since 2002. We can't accept mediocrity here, but Hart's former hires scream just that to me.
 
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it does sound bleak as to the future with them 2 involved,hopefully something will happen and they will get there heads out of there asses
 
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starting to look more like another NIT year I remember the last coach that did that his name was BUZZ and he only made it 3 times. If history tells you anything Martin may not be around to much longer to much talent on the team to not at least make the NCAA tourney.
 
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I'm just puzzled about Cuonzo's game face...a friend who followed Purdue basketball said he was an intense, fiery player for Gene Keady. What I see during games & interviews is a stern, almost trance-like blandness. Are his practices like that? Is there passion somewhere? I realize a person has difficulty changing his personality, but watching the successful coaches it's obvious that the energy from the bench translates into hard-nosed play.
 
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cwbytruckers said:
First off let's get the he is a racist slanders out of the way. I have been accused if it to many times before because I ask the hard truth questions that most people are to chicken to ask. But my question is. Did UT hire Martin because he was black? He did not have a proven track record. I know with all the crap UT had to go through no one wanted the job. But there had to be a better option out there. Yes its been said a hundred times that Martin sucks. And there have been a hundred threads who should they hire. But the proof is in the pudding. He can coach good defense. But his offense.needs work. That being said. I know Bruce isn't coming back. But I wish he was still the coach. Martin needs to take some lessons from all the hours of tape on Bruce. Lighten the heck up. Get amped up on the sideline. Fire up these boys. Paint his chest orange and show some excitement. Let loose like a Saturday morning belch after a Friday night benge. OK I will shut up and go back to my. Wait. What was my point??? Oh yeah I didn't have one. Just wanted to ramble. Where is my beer????
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For another man to challenge another man for accepting a job that another man had trashed for a simple lie. Brother, your pathetic!!!! and anyone that wants Pearl back is. He lied....where is your integrity??? I don't know what generation wants Pearl back but seriously guys....where is your integrity? Choosing immoral actions to win over a man with integrity?

I am not saying Conzo is the answer....but I will not follow of person like Bruce....and yes...I have lied before...but not when someone shows me a picture of my evidence and will continue to lie...that is the wrong in his character.

Thats my ramble...carry on!!!!
 
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mscox75 said:
For another man to challenge another man for accepting a job that another man had trashed for a simple lie. Brother, your pathetic!!!! and anyone that wants Pearl back is. He lied....where is your integrity??? I don't know what generation wants Pearl back but seriously guys....where is your integrity? Choosing immoral actions to win over a man with integrity?

I am not saying Conzo is the answer....but I will not follow of person like Bruce....and yes...I have lied before...but not when someone shows me a picture of my evidence and will continue to lie...that is the wrong in his character.

Thats my ramble...carry on!!!!
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You do realize that you said it's OK to lie, just don't get caught. lmao at you sanctimonious people who have ( wink wink ) never told a lie. smh
 
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mscox75 said:
For another man to challenge another man for accepting a job that another man had trashed for a simple lie. Brother, your pathetic!!!! and anyone that wants Pearl back is. He lied....where is your integrity??? I don't know what generation wants Pearl back but seriously guys....where is your integrity? Choosing immoral actions to win over a man with integrity?

I am not saying Conzo is the answer....but I will not follow of person like Bruce....and yes...I have lied before...but not when someone shows me a picture of my evidence and will continue to lie...that is the wrong in his character.

Thats my ramble...carry on!!!!
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I have a theory that there is an inverse relationship between intelligence and the number of question marks/exclamation points a person uses after a sentence and/or the number of times they break up sentences with ellipses.

I think I may be on to something.
 
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whobethis16 said:
I'd rather have a chance and come up short (like Martin has the past two years) than know that even if they go 40-0, they get left out because my coach selfishly tells recruits "I'm breaking a rule, and if you are asked about this I want you to lie about it completely." If you think there wouldn't have been a post season ban for at least a year, you're ridiculously naive.
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A one year post season ban huh? Let me ask when was the last time we made the big dance? Let's face it our administration is a lousy administer of our athletic department and its workings. First they bankrupted it or plundered whichever you prefer, then they proved themselves incompetent as a talent agent. Most good programs keep their money, have people who can judge talent and work like hell to keep that talent. We fail the smell test.
 
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keckjm said:
Dude you don't know what you are talking about. All you need to know is UT wasn't willing to shell out the dough for a top coach. Hamilton thought he could find another Pearl, no pun intended, without paying top money. We went after Shaka Smart and low balled him, and he wouldn't even consider us anymore. I also know through someone special that Hart put on, and I quote, "the most amateur coaching search of all time" when looking for a head football coach, and I also know that Strong was our man we wanted but we also low balled him as well and he decided last second not to come. I actually around midnight got a call saying Strong is the coach, and it went south by mourning because of Hart and Cheek. Hart and Cheek are not well respected by our main donors and I have heard with my own ears that the Butch Jones hire was pure luck, and we had very few options left. We did contact Grudens agent, and the numbers were so far off his agent never called back just for a FYI. My point is, no top donors at UT think that these buffoons will hire a top notch coach. I've heard the words incompetent, unrealistic, and armature to describe him as a person, and the only reason he's still here is because of the money debt issue that he actually knows how to fix and is fixing, which the donors want more then anything. We will not hire a top notch coach, and we will settle for a mid major coach. You can call BS, but I'd take my word on it.
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You for real. You got high sources for that information. If so that's garbage. The athletic department is broke. Damn. How long do you think it will be until we start winning again?
 
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I thought we were prepared to play yesterday. We missed five easy layups in the first half and a boat load of free throws. We should have went into the locker room with a double digit lead and it was instead one. Guys on the team have to execute plays and make their free throws or we will lose a lot of close games.
 
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cwbytruckers said:
First off let's get the he is a racist slanders out of the way. I have been accused if it to many times before because I ask the hard truth questions that most people are to chicken to ask. But my question is. Did UT hire Martin because he was black? He did not have a proven track record. I know with all the crap UT had to go through no one wanted the job. But there had to be a better option out there. Yes its been said a hundred times that Martin sucks. And there have been a hundred threads who should they hire. But the proof is in the pudding. He can coach good defense. But his offense.needs work. That being said. I know Bruce isn't coming back. But I wish he was still the coach. Martin needs to take some lessons from all the hours of tape on Bruce. Lighten the heck up. Get amped up on the sideline. Fire up these boys. Paint his chest orange and show some excitement. Let loose like a Saturday morning belch after a Friday night benge. OK I will shut up and go back to my. Wait. What was my point??? Oh yeah I didn't have one. Just wanted to ramble. Where is my beer????
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I didn't know he was black.:ermm:
 
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Dude, give me a break. If we had made our free throws and layups, we would've beat them by 10 or 15. The guy can't get it out of his players. And for goodness sake, have a sense of urgency! Quit walking up court when we're losing with under a minute to go. Damn
 
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