The death of a school's tradition?

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tvolsfan said:
And yet, you don't see a bunch of Germans carrying Nazi flags claiming they're celebrating their brave soldiers who died for their country, do you?

And before anyone attacks me, he made the comparison. I just think it's silly to argue the brave soldiers weren't fighting for the unjust cause, and then celebrate that by carrying the symbol of said cause.
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Yes I made the comparison and it was a good one. The liberation of the camps and the abolishment of slavery were both by products of their respective wars. Do you dispute this?

I have no idea what the first point of your post is. I lived in Germany for almost 2 years and there is a lot of pride and celebration for the millions of Germans that died in WWII. They don't use the swastika, it is illegal. If you would care to actually analyze the and contrast the two issues, you would realize that the swastika was chosen by Hitler as a symbol of German superiority and his aggressive campaign to conquer Europe. The CBF was carried on the field by armies trying to secure independence, more often than not in the states they were defending. The original flags looked very similar to the stars and stripes and they came up with a flag that could be easily distinguished in battle. The cross of St. Andrew and a star representing every state in the Confederacy. There were numerous variations on this design but the one we know was used by the ANV.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Yes I made the comparison and it was a good one. The liberation of the camps and the abolishment of slavery were both by products of their respective wars. Do you dispute this?

I have no idea what the first point of your post is. I lived in Germany for almost 2 years and there is a lot of pride and celebration for the millions of Germans that died in WWII. They don't use the swastika, it is illegal. If you would care to actually analyze the and contrast the two issues, you would realize that the swastika was chosen by Hitler as a symbol of German superiority and his aggressive campaign to conquer Europe. The CBF was carried on the field by armies trying to secure independence, more often than not in the states they were defending. The original flags looked very similar to the stars and stripes and they came up with a flag that could be easily distinguished in battle. The cross of St. Andrew and a star representing every state in the Confederacy. There were numerous variations on this design but the one we know was used by the ANV.
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The CBF was also used by the Klan, whose mission was to foster white superiority through intimidation and violence.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
The CBF was also used by the Klan, whose mission was to foster white superiority through intimidation and violence.
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Some college logos are being flashed around to represent gangs killing hundreds. Should the the schools have to stop using them?
 
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If we are simply celebrating the men who answered their countries' calls to arms, then we might as well celebrate all of them. The ideologies, philosophies, policies, and practices of their governments is a non-issue.
 
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volunteerlane said:
Some college logos are being flashed around to represent gangs killing hundreds. Should they have to stop using them?
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That's your argument? :eek:lol:

First off, I missed where I suggested getting rid of the Confederate flag. It represents the best and worst of humanity depending on many factors.

To glorify its use in battle rings hollow if you can't acknowledge it was also used to perpetrate violence against an entire race of innocent American citizens...or maybe that's just not all that important to you.
 
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IPorange said:
Generally, no one cared terribly for the black man. There were a few that despised slavery, but that wasn't necessarily out of love for the black man either.

If the South wins, slavery remains. Had the South never rebelled, slavery would have likely persisted in those original slave states for much, much longer, but overall declined in popularity and scope over time.

I don't think the average poor Southern
farmer thought much more or less of black
people than the average poor northern
factory worker, to be honest. That would be
a simplification of things.

If you are looking for a champion of the black man in the ranks of the white establishment on either side of the war, you aren't really going to find one. It was every day people, certain religious groups (credit where it is due) and upper-middle class northerners that were really for equality and
freedom for all people, including black
people. Racism was prevalent in both
regions. There is a reason why equality
wasn't actually achieved in this country until
100 years later.

I don't know that the Jim Crow laws would have come up at all or persisted in the South, as I think a big part of them was resentment of control over black people being forcibly wrestled away by the North. If that doesn't happen, the South may have been more graceful in their treatment of race, if and when slavery ended.

A lot of speculation in that last part, of course.
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Damn good post IP!! thank you for answering my questions.
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gasguy98 said:
Don't feel too bad, one guy on here tried to deletitimize my arguments because I inadvertantly and in haste put a "p" in Sumter.

When all else fails, attack the messenger...
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The grammar police go over board sometimes lol
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volunteerlane said:
According to Adrian Peterson slavery still exists....its called the NFL
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He's full of shiz like a Christmas turkey!! News flash AP, your getting paid millions for your labors when your ancestors like mine didn't get paid a damn red cent!! CHILD PLEASE!!!!!!!
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gasguy98 said:
Originally Posted by Vercingetorix
"It's pretty simple. They got butchered because their home states built an economy so dependent on human cattle that they had to go to war to keep it."

That is who. Read the post before chiming in.
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Maybe you missed the 'they had to go to war to keep it' part of that post.
 
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gasguy98 said:
I have no idea what the first point of your post is. I lived in Germany for almost 2 years and there is a lot of pride and celebration for the millions of Germans that died in WWII. They don't use the swastika, it is illegal.
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Exactly my point. You can honor your brave soldiers without displaying the symbol of their cause.
 
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Coach Grizz said:
Really..... Wow
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Why not? If certain individuals want to continue to honor their ancestors and, specifically, the right to slavery that they were defending, I see no problem in holding them partially accountable for the socio-economic struggles and woes of the macro-African-American community.
 
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I think most are so busy arguing they not really paying attention to what's being said. I have no problem with people who want to celebrate confederate soldiers. Why shouldn't you? I've been to re-enactments. I met some awesome folks there. BTW black people go to civil war re-enactments. its awesome. Educational and good fun. I've seen the passion people have for this. I'll bet a lot of you are descendants of CSA soldiers. I don't think the flag is the best way to do so. That flag is one of the most divisive symbols that exists. It's associated with some ideologies i'm sure most of you don't prescribe to. There are folks that see that flag and think of racism or the Klan. Its actually counter productive to what some of you are trying to do.
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gasguy98 said:
Don't be surprised if they come for us one day too.
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It wouldn't work out for them if they did. We can easily claim that Tennessee was the Volunteer State before the Civil War. Before Ole Miss stated getting rid of things, it looked pretty ridiculous.
 
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ToineMac said:
I don't think the flag is the best way to do so. That flag is one of the most divisive symbols that exists. It's associated with some ideologies i'm sure most of you don't prescribe to. There are folks that see that flag and think of racism or the Klan. Its actually counter productive to what some of you are trying to do.
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Agreed
 
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therealUT said:
Why not? If certain individuals want to continue to honor their ancestors and, specifically, the right to slavery that they were defending, I see no problem in holding them partially accountable for the socio-economic struggles and woes of the macro-African-American community.
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Opens a whole new can of worms.
 
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therealUT said:
Why not? If certain individuals want to continue to honor their ancestors and, specifically, the right to slavery that they were defending, I see no problem in holding them partially accountable for the socio-economic struggles and woes of the macro-African-American community.
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I disagree. It has been 50 years since the civil rights struggles, 150 since slavery. I am NOT blaming the "white man" for African American struggles. African Americans need to rise above it and move forward in society and stop using that BS as a crutch. If you do try to rise above it your an "uncle Tom".

The civil rights movement of the 1960's has given me the opportunity to ride the same bus, use the same restroooms, attend the same schools, eat at the same restersunts and date white women (lol joke joke joke)
So there for I do not need reparations. It's another crutch that AA people do not need

Marco-African Americans?
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