The Devrin Young experiment at KR

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VolinDalton said:
I understand your logic. Tell me something, though... If DY took a knee on "every single KO attempt" would you be happy?

I'm thinking you would want him to, at least, take a couple of them out during an entire year of football.
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i have always felt like if the players front foot is near the goal line when he catches it, he should take it out and if he needs a full step to get to the goal line he should take a knee. im no football expert (obviously), but it just seems like when it takes a couple steps to get out of the endzone that the defenders seem to be inside the 20 and the returner always gets met around the 10-15.

like the way that we do our kickoffs, where they are deliberately between the goal line and 5, i would say should be returned every time and from a defensive standpoint i'm not sure how i feel about that since we usually do make the tackle inside of the 25, but also risk giving up a huge play when CBJ was saying medley can clear the endzone whenever he wants to and just guarantee the touchback, but i guess the coaches have faith in the coverage unit. guess it all is just philosophical and im more on the conservative side, but that might be because special teams havent been great to tennessee lately
 
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What amazes me is how all these people are down DY. He isn't the quickest or the strongest but he is sure handed and has the confidence to do it. I keep hearing people say put this person or that person back there but why. Why take the risk of putting a freshman back their having them fumble and take a chance of hurting their confidence for the year? We can't put our superstars back there - we aren't Georgia and don't have 4 SEC quality running backs. I say keep DY back there but rein him a little - if its more than 4 yards deep take a knee, if its on the goal line or just inside the bring it out.
 
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VOODOOVOL said:
If your point was to be wrong, yes I get it.
I don't need to defend DY, I was just pointing out that maybe you should learn the rules before commenting.
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It doesn't change my point. In the NFL, return yards inside the end zone are counted towards total return yardage. I forgot that the NCAA doesn't recognize them. My point still stands that he would have to physically take the ball 30-32 yards to net the same result as taking a knee. My other point still stands as well, that he isn't a dynamic enough returner to do that on even a semi-consistent basis.

If you don't need to defend DY, then you have a funny way of showing it, and you probably came to the wrong thread. Your tone certainly suggests that you're here to defend him, and so far your only defense has been to point out my incorrect interpretation of the NCAA rule vs NFL rule, which is really only secondary (at best) to the big picture.
 
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VolinDalton said:
Devrin is a VFL who has a desire to win. When I see players simply take a knee one or two yards in, I think they have no passion. He is giving himself to the hits and licks of a D1 football program to try to get the best field position he can get.
Do you honestly think he takes it out thinking he can't get past the 25? He takes it out to get to the opposing goal line. Give him some respect. If he were to take a knee every kickoff, you'd be saying. "Why isn't he running it out?". I have never understood the fickleness of this fan base.
Here's an idea. Why don't you just support our players when they are on the field instead of being a douche on a message board that our players read after every game?
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Don't forget, these guys with the negative comments are lying back in the recliner with a beer in one hand and a handful of pretzels in the other saying, "Damn, he didn't break that one either!"
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Don't forget, these guys with the negative comments are lying back in the recliner with a beer in one hand and a handful of pretzels in the other saying, "Damn, he didn't break that one either!"
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Is it that hard to comprehend that it is possible to be supportive of the TEAM as a whole, and still be objective, and sometimes critical of botched decisions from both coaches and players?

Or is it more logical to just sit back and assume that the coaches and players are perfect in all schemes and decisions, and blindly accept abject failure as a result?

I can support our coaches and their decisions and still question the decision to put DY back at kick returner. I can support DY and hope like heck he finally breaks one and shuts us all up, and still be disappointed when he goes down at the 15-yd line on first contact.

This doesn't have to be a black and white issue.
 
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If he returns one to the 40 or 50 yard line... We will hear these comments:

1. Beast
2. He should get more touches as RB
3. I played against him in HS and he is fast
4. Reminds me of Darren Sproles
5. He is more quick than fast
 
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Biopsyman said:
If he returns one to the 40 or 50 yard line... We will hear these comments:

1. Beast
2. He should get more touches as RB
3. I played against him in HS and he is fast
4. Reminds me of Darren Sproles
5. He is more quick than fast
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6.Great Angles
7. Runs gooder
8. No way we loose if we let him lose more often.
 
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iKrager said:
I doubt they read these posts...
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Common sense
1. College football player
2. Wants to see everything in print about himself.
3. Hey, man, they are discussing you on VolNation.
4. Nah, don't want to even go there.
5. I mean, damn, this is the internet in case you didn't know.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Common sense
1. College football player
2. Wants to see everything in print about himself.
3. Hey, man, they are discussing you on VolNation.
4. Nah, don't want to even go there.
5. I mean, damn, this is the internet in case you didn't know.
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We have bigger issues if players are spending their free time on VN. WAY BIGGER ISSUES! Get a grip dude.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
We have bigger issues if players are spending their free time on VN. WAY BIGGER ISSUES! Get a grip dude.
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I mean really, after working as hard as they do to be a football player, you don't think they read about themselves in their free time? Give me a break!
 
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Welp, looks like nothing's gonna change anytime soon. From today's practice.....

"Kickoff return work: Devrin Young remained the first-team kickoff returner after a less-than-stellar game at Oklahoma on Saturday. Evan Berry remains the backup. It’s hard to get a great gauge for what Berry can do in that situation since they don’t run live coverage in the open portion of practice, but he seems to have some extra burst that Young just doesn’t have at this point. That could be an interesting battle going forward with perhaps others getting in the mix as well if Young doesn’t improve in game situations."
 
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Yeah, I've been done with DY since the fumble against Miss State two years ago. The effort he's put into this program behind the scenes is pretty stellar probably, which is why he keeps that starting KR spot, but he just never seems game ready.
 
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Biopsyman said:
If he returns one to the 40 or 50 yard line... We will hear these comments:

1. Beast
2. He should get more touches as RB
3. I played against him in HS and he is fast
4. Reminds me of Darren Sproles
5. He is more quick than fast
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Thr Darren Sproles comparison kills me. I said it months ago. He is Tusculum level.
 
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KBVol said:
Welp, looks like nothing's gonna change anytime soon. From today's practice.....

"Kickoff return work: Devrin Young remained the first-team kickoff returner after a less-than-stellar game at Oklahoma on Saturday. Evan Berry remains the backup. It’s hard to get a great gauge for what Berry can do in that situation since they don’t run live coverage in the open portion of practice, but he seems to have some extra burst that Young just doesn’t have at this point. That could be an interesting battle going forward with perhaps others getting in the mix as well if Young doesn’t improve in game situations."
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PrattvilleVol said:
I like DY but he just doesn't seem to have that extra gear. We've got a stable of burners we can put back there.
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There you have it.
 
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Different quote.. Pickett missed a huge block at Oklahoma that forced bad field position on us FYI.

5. STILL DEVRIN. The Vols spent plenty of time (as usual) early in Tuesday's practice on special teams, with the kickoff and kickoff return teams getting plenty of work. As far as we could tell, there was no change to the kick return specialist depth chart. Senior tailback Devrin Young was with the first-team unit, and freshman safety Evan Berry was with the second-team unit. There was at least one potential change of note in the first-team unit, though. Junior receiver Johnathon Johnson was in junior tailback Justus Pickett’s spot as the blocker (and short-kick return man) directly in front of Young. Johnson is known as a tenacious blocker for his size, so that wouldn’t be a surprising move to at least look at for a few days.
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American Pig said:
Devrin has the skills, but blocking is non-existent. Gangs of defenders are meeting him at full speed deep inside the twenty unhindered. Nobody is even slowing these guys down, much less creating lanes.
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this is the problem as it is on punts

DY has no fear,which i give him credit for,he isn't one to take a knee or wave a hand in the air,i like his effort,now if the blockers would just do the same


and wan't DY the one that could catch a ball and hang onto it ?
 
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They remind me a lot of a little league team. A lot of people moving around fast but very few people hitting opposing players in front of the returner.
 
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turambar85 said:
What do you think happens with most returners? Your arguments are at least a little bit inconsistent. On the one hand, you all are claiming that Devrin never breaks any, and so his 23+ YPR is less impressive than Gaults. But, at the same time you say that his 23 YPR is less impressive because it is artificially aided by longer runs, and that most of his runs are a bit less than 23 yards.

Think about that for half a second. If he is less dynamic than the average 23+ yard returner, then he should have a higher median than the average 23+ yard returner. He will have fewer returns that go well above 23 yards, and so he will have fewer returns that stall out well before than point too.

The only way a returner like Gault has the same average (roughly) while breaking more is if they have more returns that are complete garbage.

He cannot be blamed both for having a YPR that is artificially inflated AND be blamed for never having any runs that will artificially inflate.
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Very nicely done.
 
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hndog609 said:
All I claimed is 25.95 per return compares very favorably with just about anybody in the SEC last year. That's either a fact or it isn't. If he was as bad as some people here claim, how would that be possible?
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Not to mention, for those who say he shouldn't be back there if he's no threat to take it all the way: there were only 4 returned for TDs by SEC teams last year, and only 2 in SEC play.

I'm much more concerned with our whole punt return scheme. We don't check the gunners at all, which is why all the fair catches.
 
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