The Devrin Young experiment at KR

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This is the first thread calling out a player that I've actually agreed with in a while. I saw vs. Oklahoma once no one around him and he dove to the twenty just hoping he could make it there.

Wes Rucker just tweeted that he thinks they should use North on kick offs once the receivers get healthy, that he's that good. That'd be fun to watch.
 
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crusse10 said:
His 26 last year was all thanks to like 3 good-to-great ones. 4 of them were right around 25, and the other 12 were sub-25 yards. The chance at 3 40-yard returns in a season in exchange for inside your own 20 most of the rest of the time isn't worth it, in my opinion.
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What do you think happens with most returners? Your arguments are at least a little bit inconsistent. On the one hand, you all are claiming that Devrin never breaks any, and so his 23+ YPR is less impressive than Gaults. But, at the same time you say that his 23 YPR is less impressive because it is artificially aided by longer runs, and that most of his runs are a bit less than 23 yards.

Think about that for half a second. If he is less dynamic than the average 23+ yard returner, then he should have a higher median than the average 23+ yard returner. He will have fewer returns that go well above 23 yards, and so he will have fewer returns that stall out well before than point too.

The only way a returner like Gault has the same average (roughly) while breaking more is if they have more returns that are complete garbage.

He cannot be blamed both for having a YPR that is artificially inflated AND be blamed for never having any runs that will artificially inflate.
 
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vols1389 said:
This is the first thread calling out a player that I've actually agreed with in a while. I saw vs. Oklahoma once no one around him and he dove to the twenty just hoping he could make it there.

Wes Rucker just tweeted that he thinks they should use North on kick offs once the receivers get healthy, that he's that good. That'd be fun to watch.
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Devrin was unimpressive against Oklahoma, and he made a couple of bad decisions. But the data is on his side. He is not only as reliable as it gets hands wise, but he is at least a solid return man.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You understand my point. If that is a defense of Devrin Young as a kick returner, then it's a sorry defense.
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If your point was to be wrong, yes I get it.
I don't need to defend DY, I was just pointing out that maybe you should learn the rules before commenting.
 
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turambar85 said:
What do you think happens with most returners? Your arguments are at least a little bit inconsistent. On the one hand, you all are claiming that Devrin never breaks any, and so his 23+ YPR is less impressive than Gaults. But, at the same time you say that his 23 YPR is less impressive because it is artificially aided by longer runs, and that most of his runs are a bit less than 23 yards.

Think about that for half a second. If he is less dynamic than the average 23+ yard returner, then he should have a higher median than the average 23+ yard returner. He will have fewer returns that go well above 23 yards, and so he will have fewer returns that stall out well before than point too. The only way a returner like Gault has the same average (roughly) while breaking more is if they have more returns that are complete garbage.

He cannot be blamed both for having a YPR that is artificially inflated AND be blamed for never having any runs that will artificially inflate.
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That's wayyyy too logical for the hysterical folks.
Blaming Devrin is easier than thinking.

Good insight.
 
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Devrin is a great catcher of kick offs and punts and he runs hard (real hard) in the open field until a defender gets within sight. Once that happens he starts going down. I have rewinded every game I have tivoed (is that a word?) just to check. Yes he is 5"6 180 lbs but if he is gonna continue to run the ball he needs to learn how to bounce. Bounce off of anyone will work but starting going down on kickoffs before anyone comes close to even hitting you tells me that his heart and his head aren't in the same place.

Give your all or don't Devrin. Ball in your court.
 
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Man I am so glad that we are so far away from just getting someone to catch punts. Seems we had a lot of trouble with that in recent years. Dervin not exciting to watch.
 
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turambar85 said:
What do you think happens with most returners? Your arguments are at least a little bit inconsistent. On the one hand, you all are claiming that Devrin never breaks any, and so his 23+ YPR is less impressive than Gaults. But, at the same time you say that his 23 YPR is less impressive because it is artificially aided by longer runs, and that most of his runs are a bit less than 23 yards.

Think about that for half a second. If he is less dynamic than the average 23+ yard returner, then he should have a higher median than the average 23+ yard returner. He will have fewer returns that go well above 23 yards, and so he will have fewer returns that stall out well before than point too.

The only way a returner like Gault has the same average (roughly) while breaking more is if they have more returns that are complete garbage.

He cannot be blamed both for having a YPR that is artificially inflated AND be blamed for never having any runs that will artificially inflate.
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The fact remains that Gault, Patterson, Scott and several others have housed several TDs against quality opponents. DY hasn't housed anything, against anybody, ever, in 3 years. His numbers are clearly skewed. This is exactly why I use XmR charts over XbarR charts to monitor processes. Data doesn't get stratified using 4 point plots...causing me to make stupid conclusions.

65 yd run against let's say Montana...followed by 20, 15, 19, 17 against the SEC. That yields an avg. Of 27.2 yds per return and a big bucket of BS in terms of judging performance.
 
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VOODOOVOL said:
If you can't back up your statements any better in this thread than you did in the Croom thread, you'll just get shot down again.
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Back them up how? Again, I didn't start the thread & get 65 likes. Evidently a lot of people are seeing the same thing. It's not the first thread ever started on that very subject. Lol
 
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govols/cc said:
Back them up how? Again, I didn't start the thread & get 65 likes. Evidently a lot of people are seeing the same thing. It's not the first thread ever started on that very subject. Lol
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How you back them up is your problem. You didn't back up anything I asked you.
 
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VOODOOVOL said:
How you back them up is your problem. You didn't back up anything I asked you.
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I didn't care about backing anything up from the start & it most definitely wasn't a problem. The proof is right in front of you & has been for 2 seasons.
 
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a touchback is to the 25 and he is averaging 23. i honestly don't remember the last time he had a return beyond the 30 against a decent opponent. He certainly did our offense no favors in norman. i just don't see him ever coming out of the endzone as a good thing when there is no real threat of a game-changing play and there is the risk of a fumble (like saturday), penalty (also happened saturday) or an injury.
 
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zreeves said:
a touchback is to the 25 and he is averaging 23. i honestly don't remember the last time he had a return beyond the 30 against a decent opponent. He certainly did our offense no favors in norman. i just don't see him ever coming out of the endzone as a good thing when there is no real threat of a game-changing play and there is the risk of a fumble (like saturday), penalty (also happened saturday) or an injury.
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Devrin is a VFL who has a desire to win. When I see players simply take a knee one or two yards in, I think they have no passion. He is giving himself to the hits and licks of a D1 football program to try to get the best field position he can get.

Do you honestly think he takes it out thinking he can't get past the 25? He takes it out to get to the opposing goal line.

Give him some respect. If he were to take a knee every kickoff, you'd be saying. "Why isn't he running it out?".

I have never understood the fickleness of this fan base.

Here's an idea. Why don't you just support our players when they are on the field instead of being a douche on a message board that our players read after every game?
 
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VolinDalton said:
Devrin is a VFL who has a desire to win. When I see players simply take a knee one or two yards in, I think they have no passion. He is giving himself to the hits and licks of a D1 football program to try to get the best field position he can get.

Do you honestly think he takes it out thinking he can't get past the 25? He takes it out to get to the opposing goal line.

Give him some respect. If he were to take a knee every kickoff, you'd be saying. "Why isn't he running it out?".

I have never understood the fickleness of this fan base.

Here's an idea. Why don't you just support our players when they are on the field instead of being a douche on a message board that our players read after every game?
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i never said he didnt try hard or have confidence in himself, but the results and rules are what they are.
with the kickoffs the way they are now (kicked off at the 35 with a touchback to the 25), i don't understand why anyone brings it out from 3-4 yards deep unless they are a gurley/CP type returner.
 
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zreeves said:
i never said he didnt try hard or have confidence in himself, but the results and rules are what they are.
with the kickoffs the way they are now (kicked off at the 35 with a touchback to the 25), i don't understand why anyone brings it out from 3-4 yards deep unless they are a gurley/CP type returner.
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I understand your logic. Tell me something, though... If DY took a knee on "every single KO attempt" would you be happy?

I'm thinking you would want him to, at least, take a couple of them out during an entire year of football.
 
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