The difference between Dooley and Butch Jones.

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PKT_VOL said:
1) Why the animosity for Dooley? There were a lot of things that were out of his control here. He did a great job with what he was given. Our irrational fanbase will never see that or give him credit for leaving this program in much better shape than he found it.

2) What makes you so confident about Jones?

3) Why do you care what they "talk" about? Some of the best coaches ever in any sport hated the media.

Carry on.
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There was plenty of talent on our roster this year, yet our record was worse than Dooley's first year. How do you explain that. Yes he did build our talent level the first couple of years, however that is unexcusable.

2. The higher you set the bar, good things will happen. Butch Jones has set the bar high.

3. Dooley never held himself accountable for his coaching errors/mistakes. He put the blame on his players/asst coaches.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Not arguing the the recruiting issue but comparing a Big East record to an SEC record is apples and frying pans.
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So lets compare WAC to Big East. or WAC to MAC.

Either way Butch has won as a HC and Dooley has not.

Not saying you are defending Dooley bc clearly that was not your intention. I just wanted others to see that even if you take out the SEC Dooley coached in, that numbers still favor Butch. Hopefully his program translates to this level and I think it will. GBFO:rock:
 
#30
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I really wanted to believe in Dooley for a long time because the story sounded good. But eventually you realize that while some people "plan and do" while others just continually "plan" and never really get anything "done."

I think that, coupled with what has now come out about his arrogance, is a large part of his inability to get this done.

Hopefully Butch will take us down a different path.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Not arguing the the recruiting issue but comparing a Big East record to an SEC record is apples and frying pans.
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Frying pans win in that comparison. You can only eat an apple once, but you can use a frying pan many times.
 
#35
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Solid post OP. The difference, as previously stated, is that Jones is a winner and Dooley is not. Jones expects to win and I believe that mentality will rub off on the players.
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
I thought that was one of his "championship" teams.
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SEC talent>>>>Big East talent. Also did you watch that game they hung with us best they could but we had D. Rogers going off, Hunter when he still knew how to catch the ball and Bray was on fire. We also had Wilcox's D, which looking back was pretty solid.
 
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mreed90 said:
SEC talent>>>>Big East talent. Also did you watch that game they hung with us best they could but we had D. Rogers going off, Hunter when he still knew how to catch the ball and Bray was on fire. We also had Wilcox's D, which looking back was pretty solid.
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Troy's talent ==== SEC talent?
 
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tmodaniel said:
Yeah but Jones has a better record......50-27 1-2
Dooley is 32-41 1-1 so what is your point
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I believe his point was that no one knows yet how Jones will recruit. The reason I think that was his point, was that he said that that was his point.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
1) Why the animosity for Dooley? There were a lot of things that were out of his control here. He did a great job with what he was given. Our irrational fanbase will never see that or give him credit for leaving this program in much better shape than he found it.

2) What makes you so confident about Jones?

3) Why do you care what they "talk" about? Some of the best coaches ever in any sport hated the media.

Carry on.
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You are making a joke right? He may be a lot of things but a good football coach, motivator, or recruiter is not one of them. If you truly believe what you wrote meth is one helluva dislusional drug.
 
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Clockwork Orange said:
There was plenty of talent on our roster this year, yet our record was worse than Dooley's first year. How do you explain that. Yes he did build our talent level the first couple of years, however that is unexcusable.
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Our players were not as good as we like to believe.

Our DC had a lot to do with it. Had Wilson and Sirmon stayed, last season would have be completely different. Had our four best players not gotten injured/kicked off the team in his second season, that too would have resulted in a different season.

Clockwork Orange said:
2. The higher you set the bar, good things will happen. Butch Jones has set the bar high.
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Yeah, he had low standards.

Jones has high standards = great success. Jesus that is dumb.

Clockwork Orange said:
3. Dooley never held himself accountable for his coaching errors/mistakes. He put the blame on his players/asst coaches.
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Different styles I guess.

A lot of coaches love to micromanage other coaches jobs. Sometimes this works, most of the time it doesn't. He tended to let them do their job. His DC hire definitely ended his career here at UT. My opinion was that his DC hire was for the future (particularly next year). There is no doubt in my mind that he knew that this year would be rough on defense. For whatever reason, he thought he was going to get a fourth year.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
You are making a joke right? He may be a lot of things but a good football coach, motivator, or recruiter is not one of them. If you truly believe what you wrote meth is one helluva dislusional drug.
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Dooley did more for this program than Kiffin or Fulmer did in the previous decade.

He made one horrendous mistake with the DC hire this season. Although Sal might have been a good DC if he had a couple years to get things the way he wanted them.
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
Troy's talent ==== SEC talent?
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Still one the game and if we play Troy 10 times we win all ten games imo and that stupid game we seen play out wouldn't happen again. I do believe in flukes and if you just going to keep yelling "He lost to Dooley so he sucks." then don't bother because that isn't a valid argument.
 
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mreed90 said:
Still one the game and if we play Troy 10 times we win all ten games imo and that stupid game we seen play out wouldn't happen again. I do believe in flukes and if you just going to keep yelling "He lost to Dooley so he sucks." then don't bother because that isn't a valid argument.
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Here is your valid argument. Now go ahead and try to tell me about his co-championship 3 way tie crap and flukes, etc.

This is winning conference co-championships in the Big East:

Sagarin Ratings
2011
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
30 Cincinnati 10 3 68.43( 73) 0 0 | 0 1

2012
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
45 Cincinnati 9 3 63.85( 99) 0 0 | 0 0


Last 2 years.

Total record of opponents Butch Jones beat at Cincinnati: 97 – 131

Total record of opponents who beat Butch Jones at Cincinnati: 52 – 22

W: 5-7, 3-9, 4-7, 7-5, 6-5(Fordham, FCS), 4-8, 6-6, 6-5(Del. St, FCS), 6-6, 3-8(Austin Peay, FCS), 1-11, 8-5, 4-8, 7-6, 5-7, 6-7, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7

L: 9-3, 10-2, 9-3, 5-7, 10-3, 9-4
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
Here is your valid argument. Now go ahead and try to tell me about his co-championship 3 way tie crap and flukes, etc.

This is winning conference co-championships in the Big East:

Sagarin Ratings
2011
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
30 Cincinnati 10 3 68.43( 73) 0 0 | 0 1

2012
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
45 Cincinnati 9 3 63.85( 99) 0 0 | 0 0


Last 2 years.

Total record of opponents Butch Jones beat at Cincinnati: 97 – 131

Total record of opponents who beat Butch Jones at Cincinnati: 52 – 22

W: 5-7, 3-9, 4-7, 7-5, 6-5(Fordham, FCS), 4-8, 6-6, 6-5(Del. St, FCS), 6-6, 3-8(Austin Peay, FCS), 1-11, 8-5, 4-8, 7-6, 5-7, 6-7, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7

L: 9-3, 10-2, 9-3, 5-7, 10-3, 9-4
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I'm taking his 1st year at cincy out of consideration due to the mass amount of injuries and other issues. Looking at his 2nd year they lost to us (sec team), WVU (way better program) by 3 and at Rutgers by 17. Only the Rutgers loss is a bad loss. Year 3 he lost to Louisville (even talent) by 3 in OT and to Rutgers by 7 and to Toledo by 6 so one bad loss. That's worlds better than Dooley and not that bad overall. That isn't even counting his Central Michigan record. So stop crying because we didn't get Gruden.
 
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Jones is a people person..loves to interact with fans,media,recruits etc. while CDD did it as part of the job. Coach will give the team swagger and traditionalists will get upset with black jerseys and such but Jones will go for players wishes over tradition.
 
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Just wanted to clarify part of my comment. Jones does care greatly about tradition at Tennessee but I believe that there will be some change with uniforms.
 
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