The difference between Dooley and Butch Jones.

[SigSaurP228]

At Dooleys press confrence when he was hired

In my mind that was a big part of the problem.

 

[Orange Blazer]

I've been critcal of this hire and been very cricital of Hart and Cheek. But one thing I've noticed about Coach Jones is that he's a very confident individual. If you notice he has been promising National Championships, SEC championships in his presser and in the media, twitter, etc. He's talking about championships here. Which is quite the opposite of the former coach Dooley who at times was very bleak. It was always It's a process, or year 0, year 1. I understand he was dealt a tougher situation. But he never refered UT as a championship caliber program.

In fact, the only time I heard Dooley positive about the team was the beginning of the 2012 season where he said "you won't have UT to kick around anymore." Dooley seemed content with mediocre results and thats why he was let go.

But I do love the fact that Butch Jones is setting the bar high here. (as it should be) We should be competing for championships year in and out and Butch Jones is right in that we have the best facitilies, the best stadium, best fanbase, why should'nt we be getting championships.

Hair products?

 

[rocketskates]

One is concerned with winning and the other is concerned with excuse making,blaming players, historical references and teaching college kids how to shower.

 

[CardsNVols]

That's all I needed to know. Thanks for playing.

Just curious, but on what planet did Derek Dooley do more for this program in the past decade than Phil Fulmer?

From 2001-2011

SEC East titles: Fulmer- 3, Dooley- 0

Top 5 recruiting classes: Fulmer- 3, Dooley- 0

Wins over Florida, UGA, and Bama: Fulmer- 10, Dooley- 0

 

[PKT_VOL]

Just curious, but on what planet did Derek Dooley do more for this program in the past decade than Phil Fulmer?

From 2001-2011

SEC East titles: Fulmer- 3, Dooley- 0

Top 5 recruiting classes: Fulmer- 3, Dooley- 0

Wins over Florida, UGA, and Bama: Fulmer- 10, Dooley- 0

They were not analogous situations.

Fulmer woefully underachieved against inferior talent.

Dooley, when his best players were healthy and eligible, overachieved against superior teams which did not necessarily translate into wins (various reasons for that).

The state of the program that Dooley took over (an absolute dumpster fire) was the direct result of the utter incompetence and laziness of Fulmer. There is a reason nobody is interested in the man coaching their team.

I don't understand the animosity towards Dooley; he took a job that nobody wanted and left the program in much better shape than he found it. I get that everyone wants to win and he recorded a lot of loses during his tenure. To me, that is a very simple minded approach to the last few years due to the fact that there were a lot of factors in play that were out of his control. If someone is disgusted with the UT program, they should never speak of Fulmer's name with praise ever again.

 

[CardsNVols]

They were not analogous situations.

Fulmer woefully underachieved against inferior talent.

Dooley, when his best players were healthy and eligible, overachieved against superior teams which did not necessarily translate into wins (various reasons for that).

The state of the program that Dooley took over (an absolute dumpster fire) was the direct result of the utter incompetence and laziness of Fulmer. There is a reason nobody is interested in the man coaching their team.

I don't understand the animosity towards Dooley; he took a job that nobody wanted and left the program in much better shape than he found it. I get that everyone wants to win and he recorded a lot of loses during his tenure. To me, that is a very simple minded approach to the last few years due to the fact that there were a lot of factors in play that were out of his control. If someone is disgusted with the UT program, they should never speak of Fulmer's name with praise ever again.

They don't have to be "analogous situations". You said outright that Dooley has done more for this program in a decade than Fulmer did. Well, what? I don't consider recruiting players that he couldn't win with as something to be celebrated.

There was no animosity in my post towards Dooley. I don't hate the guy, but I call it as I see it. He walked into a bad situation, recruited fairly at best, and performed poorly on the field. He left the program with a recruiting class that isn't even ranked in the top 25 nationally, and a roster that many are just hoping can make a bowl game next year.

Where is the "significant improvement" there?

 

[volmanNC]

What's funny is Year 0 was Dooley's best year.

Did you notice with Dooley everything got worse as more time passed. His teams did better the first half than the second half. It's almost like he made adjustments to lose the game.

As the year progressed his teams got worse and worse. Just remember the Kentucky game!

Year by year his teams also seemed to be going down hill. Plane and simple......

Dooley is a LOSER.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He most likely was the worse hire in UT history!

 

[PKT_VOL]

They don't have to be "analogous situations". You said outright that Dooley has done more for this program in a decade than Fulmer did. Well, what? I don't consider recruiting players that he couldn't win with as something to be celebrated.

There was no animosity in my post towards Dooley. I don't hate the guy, but I call it as I see it. He walked into a bad situation, recruited fairly at best, and performed poorly on the field. He left the program with a recruiting class that isn't even ranked in the top 25 nationally, and a roster that many are just hoping can make a bowl game next year.

Where is the "significant improvement" there?

You aggrandize Fulmer's "good years" and severely minimize the catastrophic nosedive of the program during Fulmer's final years.

Dooley's recruiting classes were more solid than Fulmer's last years and Kiffin's one year. Dooley and company did a hell of a job recruiting given the state of the program while they were here.

 

[JohnnyBall]

When he goes 19-18 in HIS three years,at least he will have your posts to fall back on

 

[UTvols14]

Yeah but Jones has a better record......50-27 1-2
Dooley is 32-41 1-1 so what is your point

haha please don't spit out records.. Ha big easy vs sec! Im not a person who was yelling "Dooley beat Jones" when Jones was hired. However, I'll make an exception!

 

[orangefreak21]

I thought that was one of his "championship" teams.

I took your "22 points better for Dooley" statement that he, Derek Dooley, out coached and out performed Butch Jones.

My point about the "knives in a gun fight" is the University of Tennessee had much more talent than Cincinnati. Dooley was only leading the team with more talent. He did not out coach anyone while he was here, including Butch Jones.

And yes, that was one of Butch Jones championship teams in the BIG EAST. Also named coach of the year in the BIG EAST the same year. Not saying we should say he is the second coming of anyone, but he has accomplishments under his belt. Dooley had none of this. Didn't even bring a winning record to the table.


Lets just see what Butch Jones can do with more around him here at UT. I think he can and will do good things here, at least if his coaching record and history is any indication.

 

[UTvols14]

WOW! So that's what it's like to be retarded.

hahahaha I wish I could triple like!! Dooley has done more than Fulmer. Smh!

 

[orangefreak21]

They were not analogous situations.

Fulmer woefully underachieved against inferior talent.

Dooley, when his best players were healthy and eligible, overachieved against superior teams which did not necessarily translate into wins (various reasons for that).

The state of the program that Dooley took over (an absolute dumpster fire) was the direct result of the utter incompetence and laziness of Fulmer. There is a reason nobody is interested in the man coaching their team.

I don't understand the animosity towards Dooley; he took a job that nobody wanted and left the program in much better shape than he found it. I get that everyone wants to win and he recorded a lot of loses during his tenure. To me, that is a very simple minded approach to the last few years due to the fact that there were a lot of factors in play that were out of his control. If someone is disgusted with the UT program, they should never speak of Fulmer's name with praise ever again.

Agreed.

 

[CardsNVols]

You aggrandize Fulmer's "good years" and severely minimize the catastrophic nosedive of the program during Fulmer's final years.

Dooley's recruiting classes were more solid than Fulmer's last years and Kiffin's one year. Dooley and company did a hell of a job recruiting given the state of the program while they were here.

I'm not even a Fulmer supporter. I actually wanted him gone after 2005, but it is what it is. You can call it "aggrandizing" all you want, but the facts are he actually had good years both on the recruiting trail and on the field, regardless of how you wish to spin it.

As it stands currently, that is more than I can say for Dooley. If Dooley's recruiting is as good as you're making it sound, then Butch Jones should be able to come in and be successful pretty quickly. That remains to be seen, because there are very few, if any people out there saying Jones is walking into a great situation.

 

[Volfather]

Dooley did more for this program than Kiffin or Fulmer did in the previous decade.

He made one horrendous mistake with the DC hire this season. Although Sal might have been a good DC if he had a couple years to get things the way he wanted them.

delete your account please thanks

 

[vSphereGuy]

Ha big easy vs sec!

He competed in the Big East against other Big East Schools with Big East talent.

Now he will compete in the SEC against other SEC Schools with SEC talent.

How can you criticize his level competition when he was competing with the same caliber of players?

 

[photovol]

Dooley=attorney
Jones= Football Coach

Nothing more to say

 

[vSphereGuy]

i found this it was post 7 months ago butch jones was the 28th ranked coach read what it says.

College football coach rankings: Nos. 1-124 - NCAA Football - Sporting News


this was the true source

Holy crap talk about foreshadowing!

"Jones cleaned house in Year 1, dealt with significant injuries and had some wondering about him after a three-win debut. Now look: 10 wins in 2011 from a team that probably shouldn’t have reached that high. Next problem for UC: keeping Jones. He won at CMU, he's winning at Cincy. Another big season should lead to a big BCS job (hello, Tennessee)."

 

[Ashevolle]

until Jones first recruiting class at tenn is complete. Dooley is a better recruiter.

How so?

 

[PKT_VOL]

I'm not even a Fulmer supporter. I actually wanted him gone after 2005, but it is what it is. You can call it "aggrandizing" all you want, but the facts are he actually had good years both on the recruiting trail and on the field, regardless of how you wish to spin it.

He had "good years" when his rivals and the SEC was down. When he did play someone on an even playing field, he got owned. Spurrier went 7-2 against him. Once our rivals got their act together, he was completely exposed.

As it stands currently, that is more than I can say for Dooley. If Dooley's recruiting is as good as you're making it sound, then Butch Jones should be able to come in and be successful pretty quickly. That remains to be seen, because there are very few, if any people out there saying Jones is walking into a great situation.

Jones is walking into a much, much better situation here than Dooley did. No doubt about it.

He has Dooley and company to thank for that.