The disney insanity continues

[utvolpj]

That’s the real issue. The desire to force nonsense down the throats of kids

Nonsense like a God created a dude, removed one of his ribs and then created a woman from it? And now anyone who believes different has mental issues? Makes sense

 

[GVF]

Which is insane because, especially with the bounceback in travel and then movies they are poised to do very well moving forward.

Right now they are poised to destroy themselves from within, and seem to be on hte path of doing so. that's the fallacy of corporations not remaining neutral in the political arena. Disney's CEO is TG or something and has decided to impose that on behalf of the company. That will eventually force employees to believe the same or be ousted and that is not legal. You place yourself on the path to violate EEO laws as you are creating a workplace where only one type of employee is accepted and the rest are denied because they disagree. There are probably alot of missed lawsuits right now over this.

 

[Vol8188]

Nonsense like a God created a dude, removed one of his ribs and then created a woman from it? And now anyone who believes different has mental issues? Makes sense

The thing that isn’t being forced? You’ve lost me.

The right used to force nonsense in public schools is not a valid argue for allowing the left to do so today

 

[utvolpj]

The thing that isn’t being forced? You’ve lost me.

The right used to force nonsense in public schools is not a valid argue for allowing the left to do so today

It's forced by many parents right? Hasn't that been a constant argument that this is being done to children by parents?

 

[Vol8188]

It's forced by many parents right? Hasn't that been a constant argument that this is being done to children by parents?

Sure. Parents force things onto their kids. I’m not following the argument though. Parents force things on their kids….therefore?

 

[GVF]

Nonsense like a God created a dude, removed one of his ribs and then created a woman from it? And now anyone who believes different has mental issues? Makes sense

Ever seen two male elphants give birth? Or two female elphants? Lions, Tigers? Where are these transgenders in the animal kingdom? It ain't natural. If you don't want to believe in God or that He is the Creator, that's your choice. He created us to make that choice and not be obligated robots. I'd still like to know where you think we came from if God does not exist and did not create man. Because there is no science or evolution currently creating man or the next species. Women give birth. God put the pain of child bearing upon the woman. It's not hard to connect biblical dots to human functions.

 

[GVF]

It's forced by many parents right? Hasn't that been a constant argument that this is being done to children by parents?

And those children, when they become adults, have the freedom to run their own lives if they believe differently than they were raised. Till that time the parent is charged with the responsibility of providing that guidance and it will always fall within their belief system. No one else has that right or obligation but the parent.

 

[RockyTop85]

Raising your kids within your belief system is your responsibility and right. It's nobody elses business to tell you that you are wrong…

100% agree with this. It’s exactly what I’ve been saying.

 

[Vol8188]

100% agree with this. It’s exactly what I’ve been saying.

Who’s opposing that?

 

[Majors]

Nonsense like a God created a dude, removed one of his ribs and then created a woman from it? And now anyone who believes different has mental issues? Makes sense

About as much sense as a guy believing he is a girl or a girl believing he is a guy. Believe what you want to believe, either in a higher power of choice or you got the wrong parts and pieces of life.

 

[Majors]

Which is insane because, especially with the bounceback in travel and then movies they are poised to do very well moving forward.

Seems like a nice buy.

 

[utvolpj]

Sure. Parents force things onto their kids. I’m not following the argument though. Parents force things on their kids….therefore?

Parents are forcing it and are sending their kids to schools who reinforce it. Can't really scream about the science while teaching fables as fact

 

[Majors]

Parents are forcing it and are sending their kids to schools who reinforce it. Can't really scream about the science while teaching fables as fact

Which public school is teaching about the Bible or you said fables as facts?

 

[utvolpj]

Which public school is teaching about the Bible or you said fables as facts?

I didn't say public schools. But isn't it just as dangerous to have a lot being fed things that directly contradict science? I just keep seeing how important the science seems to be

 

[Vol8188]

Parents are forcing it and are sending their kids to schools who reinforce it. Can't really scream about the science while teaching fables as fact

You’re conflating two very different things here. I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

It’s okay to teach nonsense at school because it’s taught at home?

You can’t complain about nonsense taught at school because everyone teaches their kids nonsense at home?

What’s the angle?

 

[Majors]

I didn't say public schools. But isn't it just as dangerous to have a lot being fed things that directly contradict science? I just keep seeing how important the science seems to be

So which private school is teaching about the sexual identity to say K-5th grade? We've gone through 2 years of science being contradicted with covid. People believe what they want to believe in regards to spiritual or personal beliefs. It is the job of the teacher to teach the curriculum, not teach a movement.

 

[utvolpj]

So which private school is teaching about the sexual identity to say K-5th grade? We've gone through 2 years of science being contradicted with covid. People believe what they want to believe in regards to spiritual or personal beliefs. It is the job of the teacher to teach the curriculum, not teach a movement.

Again, I didn't say there were. But let's not act like there are very many teaching that in public schools either. It's a fabricated boogeyman

 

[utvolpj]

You’re conflating two very different things here. I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

It’s okay to teach nonsense at school because it’s taught at home?

You can’t complain about nonsense taught at school because everyone teaches their kids nonsense at home?

What’s the angle?

I'm responding to posts that have already done that. They claim concern about the science while allowing religious impossibilities to be taught to their kids. Either way you're pushing non-science on kids which the posters claim to be so concerned with

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So, what were you? Did you not see those evolution charts? Or, how did you come about a perfectly created functioning body that no man has ever re-created.

I have and always have been a human.

Your belief seems to stem from your lack of understanding regarding the beginning of life. I do not have the answers for you, but I differ in that I do not find in necessary to believe in the supernatural to explain it.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

... That will eventually force employees to believe the same or be ousted and that is not legal. You place yourself on the path to violate EEO laws as you are creating a workplace where only one type of employee is accepted and the rest are denied because they disagree. There are probably alot of missed lawsuits right now over this.

 

[Vol8188]

I'm responding to posts that have already done that. They claim concern about the science while allowing religious impossibilities to be taught to their kids. Either way you're pushing non-science on kids which the posters claim to be so concerned with

So many reasons why this argument fails. Really one of the weakest I’ve seen:

1. 99.9% of people believe in something non scientific (karma, religion, zodiac, alternative medicine, etc)

2. Parental rides should obviously exceed those of governmental rights when it comes to children

3. If schools are going to teach non scientific things because parents do too (your argument), then it invalidates the entire purpose of school (to provide knowledge)

 

[Majors]

Again, I didn't say there were. But let's not act like there are very many teaching that in public schools either. It's a fabricated boogeyman

How is it fabricated? Do you have a child in schools being questioned? "But let's not act like there are very many teaching that in public schools either." There shouldn't be one.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

... That will eventually force employees to believe the same or be ousted and that is not legal. You place yourself on the path to violate EEO laws as you are creating a workplace where only one type of employee is accepted and the rest are denied because they disagree. There are probably alot of missed lawsuits right now over this.

Here is where you guys all miss the boat. Nobody is forcing anyone to believe anything.

 

[NCFisher]

One problem with your post is that it is necessarily underpinned by the assumption that parents cannot be trusted to act in the best interest of their child, and actually that they will go out of their way to pay for their child to be abused.

That is because you have retained all the motives (“abuse,” “recruitment,” “sexualizing,” and “advocacy”) that have been supplied under the framework in which you say this is a nefarious endeavor by the leftist teacher’s union school board cabal, or whatever, and applied them to a free market driven by parents’ choices.

That’s absurd. Sure there will be instances of parents abusing their children, but once you start assuming that parents writ large can’t be trusted to recognize abuse or decide what’s best for their child then you’re engaging in the same failed regime, you’ve just substituted your own cultural norms and preferences for the leftist teachers’ union school board cabal.

That’s why I say that when the decision is left to the parent, there should be a barely rebuttable presumption that they are acting in the best interest of the child and the market will do what markets do.

If you’re saying that schools will “abuse” children without the parent’s consent, then I really don’t have a problem with a law that prohibits that. In fact, I believe they already exist.

No, I trust that most overwhelmingly will, and that private schooling parents are likely as unaware of inappropriate and harmful material as public school parents. With private schools being such a paucity of total schools, I haven't looked into whether it is occurring to the same degree. I do know that NAIS, accreditor of private schools, has an instructional program supporting transgenderism in PK-8 and I've seen the same materials being used in public school systems nationally. The national associations, state DOEs, school systems and teachers who openly or confidentially admit they'll ignore laws, have a uniformity in what they relabel CRT, 1619, alt-sex curricula - terms like Social Emotional Learning (SEL) or Diversity, Equity, Inclusion (DEI). The same shite PK-12 books show up in schools nationally; mods deleted my sampling post from elementary school books as too graphic for this forum. I've posted several examples - and read numerous others - of school systems taking children into their counseling, making a decision the boy is a girl/vice versa, and from there addressing the child as another gender and name and concealing it from parents.

It's hardly coincidence the same materials, terms, and training programs have been replicated in school systems nationally when one considers the NEA and AFT donate to leftist candidates to virtual exclusion, and have taken hard lines teaching collectivism. Hardly coincidence that four generations of progressive corruption of education has also resulted in a congress infested with socialist sympathetics, and a majority Dem voting populace that favors socialism. And they aren't exactly hiding the agenda anymore; it's open war, the declaration being NASB conspiring with the WH, DOE, and DOJ to pursue parents as domestic terrorists. I see how law is being used to politically vilify parents, not assist them in preventing abuse of their children.

Education has a roughly 80-85/15-20 split between progressive/conservative thought, and higher at the admin level. It's absurd to conclude the product isn't leftist.

A nefarious education cabal...personally, I like it, but since coming out they're not a secret. I'd use 'cartel'.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So many reasons why this argument fails. Really one of the weakest I’ve seen:

1. 99.9% of people believe in something non scientific (karma, religion, zodiac, alternative medicine, etc)

2. Parental rides should obviously exceed those of governmental rights when it comes to children

3. If schools are going to teach non scientific things because parents do too (your argument), then it invalidates the entire purpose of school (to provide knowledge)

1. Making up stats while calling someone's arguments weak. Interesting approach.
2. Parent should have complete control of the rides of their children.
3. Do gay people exist? Can it be proven? What are schools teaching that is non-scientific?