The End of Florida's Run

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The_Orange_Pearl said:
It sounded like they wanted to. Iowa upped Kirk Ferent'z pay because of it and that's why most people think he is overrated. They don't think he deserves what he is making. He wins without much talent though. Iowa knows they can't do better.

Let's put it this way... look at what Gene Chizik has done with Auburn. Nothing special but they compete with teams. Kirk Ferentz flat out b**** slapped him when he was at Iowa State and Iowa State has as much if not more talent according to rivals. Ferentz would do much better than Chizik did at Auburn this season. Iowa has had one of the best defenses in the country the past few years. I believe last year they were in the top 10. They might have been this year too.
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I guess. Northwestern has been doing pretty well in the Big 10 during Ferentz's time there. I don't they are doing any better in recruiting. And there is no reason Iowa State should be whipping Iowa on the recruiting trail. That's a major failing of Ferentz's, if true.
 
#52
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I can't believe I am defending Iowa... you have no idea how much I don't hate them.

I guess I'm just mad they didn't lose until their starting quarterback got hurt.

I wanted them to be winless this year. I didn't want them to lose because their quarterback got hurt though. It pisses me off that I can't really say anything bad to my friends about them. It's not really fair to bash them for losing with a freshman qb that has no experience. I don't like Stanzi but he was some ridiculous record of like 25-4 or 2. It's something stupid.
 
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kptvol said:
I guess. Northwestern has been doing pretty well in the Big 10 during Ferentz's time there. I don't they are doing any better in recruiting. And there is no reason Iowa State should be whipping Iowa on the recruiting trail. That's a major failing of Ferentz's, if true.
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I agree Iowa should be outrecruiting Iowa State. They aren't being whipped or anything but they are like side by side in recruiting and their rankings aren't good generally. Sometimes Iowa will gt #30 but they generally rank around 50. Iowa has their up and down years and it's just not easy to get kids to come here. The only thing Iowa City has going for it is that it's close to chicago. That's pry why Northwestern does just as good. Chicago offers a lot more than bars.
 
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Here's another example.... 2002 was a while back but it was still Ferentz.

Iowa went 11-1 before losing to USC in their bowl game to go 11-2. That's when USC set up their dynasty.

Iowa's only loss during the regular season was to Iowa State. They were up 24-7 at the half. Iowa State outscored them 23-0 in the third quarter. That game cost Iowa a championship bid. Seneca Wallace(With Seahawks) went nuts and played a Vince Young-esque game.

I don't think Iowa is amazing or anything but I do think they are under credited. Like I said, I hate to say that too because I hate them.
 
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Ferentz's best team ever lost to 7-6 Iowa State. That says something.
 
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And one more example would be Michigan losing to Appalachian State and then beating 9-3 Florida. I know Iowa struggled Northern Iowa and I think that's pathetic but they still went on to beat some decent teams this year. Penn State and Arizona aren't bad or anything. Also, the Arkansas State game should have been more dominant but Iowa was up by 10 until the last minute or two. Arkansas State made it a three point game with a garbage touchdown. Just saying.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Looking ahead, here is your problem. Next year, you get UF and Alabama at home. Given who you have graduating and your woes at QB, it seems likely that Alabama will beat you handily. And though Florida loses Tebow and a lot of defensive players, they've been a lot better this year about underclassmen playing defense, and it is certainly conceivable that UF will be favored next year at Neyland.

2011 is a question mark for all three teams, but you go on the road to both that year and it is entirely possible that both will be in good enough shape to continue their winning ways versus UT.
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We were supposed to get handled this year, by both.

Bama will not drop off much, if any at all. They may even be better.

If UF loses what it looks like they will on D (including Strong), Plus Tebow, and possibly Hernandez. I like our chances next year.
 
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kptvol said:
Ferentz's best team ever lost to 7-6 Iowa State. That says something.
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It's Iowa City. Beating teams like LSU and Florida is saying something also.

Is it possible he is a good coach with bad players? I understand recruiting is part of the game but isn't it impossible he would be a good NFL coach? You don't recruit there and GM wouldn't be his job. Nick Saban wouldn't be that great without recruiting players. We saw that in the NFL. He was average. Maybe Ferentz is opposite. Not a recruiter but a good X's and O coach. He gets the most out of players that weren't even recruited. Ricky Stanzi? I don't know if anyone else even recruited him. I know nobody recruited their back up and he almost beat Ohio State in his second game. That's all I'm saying. People can say Kirk Ferentz is overrated because he sucks at recruiting(Not easy in Iowa City) but no one can say he is a bad coach for doing what he does with what he has. What he has isn't much. That's all I'm sayin.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
It's Iowa City. Beating teams like LSU and Florida is saying something also.

Is it possible he is a good coach with bad players? I understand recruiting is part of the game but isn't it impossible he would be a good NFL coach? You don't recruit there and GM wouldn't be his job. Nick Saban wouldn't be that great without recruiting players. We saw that in the NFL. He was average. Maybe Ferentz is opposite. Not a recruiter but a good X's and O coach. He gets the most out of players that weren't even recruited. Ricky Stanzi? I don't know if anyone else even recruited him. I know nobody recruited their back up and he almost beat Ohio State in his second game. That's all I'm saying. People can say Kirk Ferentz is overrated because he sucks at recruiting(Not easy in Iowa City) but no one can say he is a bad coach for doing what he does with what he has. What he has isn't much. That's all I'm sayin.
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Iowa State in 2002 wasn't some team with way better talent that outskilled Ferentz and the Hawkeyes. The LSU and Florida teams you mentioned weren't any good. Saban wasn't mediocre in the NFL, he just had a mediocre W/L record, largely because 80% of the Dolphin offense (Ricky Williams) departed right before he got there. Had the Dolphins gone with Brees instead of Culpepper, he might still be in Miami. I think he's overrated because he's frequently mentioned as one of the best coaches in the nation and he's also paid that way.
 
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kptvol said:
Iowa State in 2002 wasn't some team with way better talent that outskilled Ferentz and the Hawkeyes. The LSU and Florida teams you mentioned weren't any good. Saban wasn't mediocre in the NFL, he just had a mediocre W/L record, largely because 80% of the Dolphin offense (Ricky Williams) departed right before he got there. Had the Dolphins gone with Brees instead of Culpepper, he might still be in Miami. I think he's overrated because he's frequently mentioned as one of the best coaches in the nation and he's also paid that way.
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He is one of the best coaches in the nation. Why isn't he? I'd like to see Urban Meyer win with that trash. The only time Urban Meyer has ever gone undefeated was at Utah and his best win was over an 8-4 team. How is Urban Meyer any better? Because he gets put in the National Championship with losses? Kirk Ferentz loses one game by 5 points to a rival and he is overrated. That's unreal. Alabama lost to Utah last year... that's what overrated is. I guess our opinions vary.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
He is one of the best coaches in the nation. Why isn't he? I'd like to see Urban Meyer win with that trash. The only time Urban Meyer has ever gone undefeated was at Utah and his best win was over an 8-4 team. How is Urban Meyer any better? Because he gets put in the National Championship with losses? Kirk Ferentz loses one game by 5 points to a rival and he is overrated. That's unreal. Alabama lost Utah last year... that's what overrated is. I guess our opinions vary.
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Meyer's Utah team would have murdered about any team Ferentz has ever fielded. Ferentz is regarded as one of the best coaches in the nation and he's barely been better than Northwestern, the Big 10's Vanderbilt.

And I honestly believe Meyer would win the Big 10 pretty quickly if he ever headed that way. He's been dominant at every stop.
 
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#63
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A lot is up in the air for many years to come. Florida will take a significant step back on D by losing Haden, Spikes, Dunlap etc. We will take a loss by losing Dan Williams, Rico McCoy, and of course Eric Berry. I also don't think you can underestimate Monte vs. a new D-Coordinator

Offensively they lose what I consider their whole offense this year in Tebow. Brantley might just be a better pocket passer but none of the 'weapons' or receivers this year scared me to be honest. We lose Crompton and Hardesty on offense. Personally I think we'll be fine running the ball and hopefully Nick Stephens has had enough time to grasp the offense in the same way Crompton did.

Bama is going to be stacked on both sides for a few years to come
 
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College Football - CBSSports.com

Kirk Ferentz put just about every player on that page into the NFL.

Most teams didn't want any of those players. I think that says something... Bob Sanders until injury was considered elite with Albert Haynesworth. Nate Kaeding might be the best kicker in the NFL. Dallas Clark is probably the best tight end in the NFL. Hodge and Greenway have been studs at linebacker. Robert Gallery was a number one overall pick.

Our opinions really do just vary in the end.
 
#65
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Dallas Clark is not in any way the best TE in football. Abdul Hodge is not a starter. Your whole argument has been that Ferentz has only been able to produce meager results because he has modest talent. Why bring up the NFLers?
 
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kptvol said:
Meyer's Utah team would have murdered about any team Ferentz has ever fielded. Ferentz is regarded as one of the best coaches in the nation and he's barely been better than Northwestern, the Big 10's Vanderbilt.

And I honestly believe Meyer would win the Big 10 pretty quickly if he ever headed that way. He's been dominant at every stop.
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No. When Iowa went 11-1, Brad Banks was a heisman runner up and Dallas Clark may now be the best tight end in the NFL. That Iowa team would have have steam rolled Utah.

Big 10's Vanderbilt lol. Tell that to the other good teams in the Big 10 Northwestern has beaten.

04 Tennessee(10-3) beats Vanderbilt(2-9) 38-33

07 Tennessee(10-4) beats Vanderbilt(5-7) 35-34

So did Tennessee suck those years? That's kind of what I've taken from what you've said. Rivalries mean nothing and Iowa sucks for struggling when they play in state games. Let me guess, the difference is Tennessee won.... You said how bad Vandebilt is and two of Tennessee's best teams this decade were lucky to even beat them. So essentially, Tennessee's two best teams this decade suck. Especially considering Kirk Ferentz has produced multiple teams with better records and he sucks, right?
 
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kptvol said:
Dallas Clark is not in any way the best TE in football. Abdul Hodge is not a starter. Your whole argument has been that Ferentz has only been able to produce meager results because he has modest talent. Why bring up the NFLers?
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Go look up Peyton Manning's numbers without Dallas Clark and tell me that. Manning is awful when Clark is injured.
 
#68
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kptvol said:
Dallas Clark is not in any way the best TE in football. Abdul Hodge is not a starter. Your whole argument has been that Ferentz has only been able to produce meager results because he has modest talent. Why bring up the NFLers?
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Did you see what Lane Kiffin said? Florida has more talent and Alabama has better coaches. What are you trying to say, our coach is stupid? He said exactly what I'm saying. Everyone Iowa plays has more talent but Iowa has better coaches....
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
No. When Iowa went 11-1, Brad Banks was a heisman runner up and Dallas Clark may now be the best tight end in the NFL. That Iowa team would have have steam rolled Utah.

Big 10's Vanderbilt lol. Tell that to the other good teams in the Big 10 Northwestern has beaten.

04 Tennessee(10-3) beats Vanderbilt(2-9) 38-33

07 Tennessee(10-4) beats Vanderbilt(5-7) 35-34

So did Tennessee suck those years? That's kind of what I've taken from what you've said. Rivalries mean nothing and Iowa sucks for struggling when they play in state games. Let me guess, the difference is Tennessee won.... You said how bad Vandebilt is and two of Tennessee's best teams this decade were lucky to even beat them. So essentially, Tennessee's two best teams this decade suck. Especially considering Kirk Ferentz has produced multiple teams with better records and he sucks, right?
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I'm talking about W/L records. Northwestern has been doing just fine against the common competition Iowa has been facing. Vandy has sucked ass against the SEC for many, many years. And yes, UT's best two teams this decade weren't all that special. If they were, we'd have won something and Fulmer would be employed.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Did you see what Lane Kiffin said? Florida has more talent and Alabama has better coaches. What are you trying to say, our coach is stupid? He said exactly what I'm saying. Everyone Iowa plays has more talent but Iowa has better coaches....
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Nick Saban is probably the best coach in the country. Saying you aren't as good a coach as Saban is like saying you aren't as ripped as Mr. Olympia.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Go look up Peyton Manning's numbers without Dallas Clark and tell me that. Manning is awful when Clark is injured.
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Yeah. He really struggled as a QB before they drafted Dallas. Without Manning, Dallas is the one that would struggle. He can't block. He also has at least one clutch drop per game. The Colts have had plenty of tight ends excel with Peyton at QB. Jason Witten is superior in every aspect of the game. Dallas would be getting 3 catches or less per game if Brandon Stokely is still in Indy.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It was indeed a great run.

The bad news is Alabama's run is just beginning.
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The bad news is almost good news if the SEC East opens up and UT can take control. That would make the UT vs. Alabama rivalry actually matter again and the path to the SEC title game a lot easier.
 
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I can't imagine Florida having a run of success like they just have had, that's good news for the rest of us.
 
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I think the luster has gone from the spread option, pretty low point total for a team with a senior QB who has started 4 yrs. They may be in trouble on offense next year.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Looking ahead, here is your problem. Next year, you get UF and Alabama at home. Given who you have graduating and your woes at QB, it seems likely that Alabama will beat you handily. And though Florida loses Tebow and a lot of defensive players, they've been a lot better this year about underclassmen playing defense, and it is certainly conceivable that UF will be favored next year at Neyland.

2011 is a question mark for all three teams, but you go on the road to both that year and it is entirely possible that both will be in good enough shape to continue their winning ways versus UT.
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You lose Strong
You lose Tebow
You lost Mullen - Meyer has never proven he can win without him.

Other than that, the future looks bright for the Gators [sarcasm].
 
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