The ever so solid and consistent Mr. Barton

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His PT was also very inconsistent, I've told you before - you can't compare Golden and Barton. They are both different players and had different roles for their team. You should compare Barton once he actually starts playing here.


When Barton's playing time was there, so were his numbers.
 
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BOP said:
Antonio Barton Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Memphis Tigers - ESPN

Here are the game logs for his entire career.

Next we had Trae Golden.

Trae Golden Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Tennessee Volunteers - ESPN

Barton was far from consistent, maybe more consistent than Trae but just not good enough to be as inconsistent(yes it does make sense.) He couldn't even consistently get on the court.
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Trae would've been benched behind JJ as well, and Geron Johnson, and probably Chris Crawford.

Barton is going to be a better fit for UT than Golden.
 
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So you are saying a backup pg was more consistent than the starting pg for back to back nit teams. Someone who had less game time, showed to be more consistent than the guy that was going to be playing 30+ minutes/game next year before tranferring.

I don't know if OP understands what he is debating.
 
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Antonio Barton vs Trae Golden

Games with 20+ points: Antonio- 2 Trae- 11

Games with 15+ points: Antonio- 11 Trae- 22

Games with 10+ points Antonio- 29 Trae- 46

Now the bad, keeping in mind that Trae didn't play much as a freshman and Barton didn't play much as a junior. Let's look at the number of times they played 15+ minutes and scored 5 or fewer points

Antonio- 29 Trae- 17

So now we know that Trae Golden is a FAR superior AND MUCH more consistent scorer let's go look at some other stats in our next installment of, HOW DELUSIONAL IS VOLNATION
 
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Antonio Barton Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Memphis Tigers - ESPN

Here are the game logs for his entire career.

Next we had Trae Golden.

Trae Golden Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Tennessee Volunteers - ESPN

Barton was far from consistent, maybe more consistent than Trae but just not good enough to be as inconsistent(yes it does make sense.) He couldn't even consistently get on the court.
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We get it. You don't like the pickup of Barton. He couldnt consistently get in the court his last season because Memohis was pretty stacked at guard (Jackson, Johnson, Crawford).

However, you said it yourself; he is more consistent than Trae. That's all we're asking for offensively. That's all we need him to be. Defensively, we already know he's an upgrade.

You seem to be arguing for argument's sake. No one expects him to come in and average 15 pts, 7 assts, 5 rebs. We would all be happy to see him limit his offensive opportunities in lieu of getting the ball to McRae, Hubbs, Stokes, and Maymon. In that sense, we aren't likely to see him throw up the 2-12, 0 assts, 5 TO games Golden gave us from time to time.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
So you are saying a backup pg was more consistent than the starting pg for back to back nit teams. Someone who had less game time, showed to be more consistent than the guy that was going to be playing 30+ minutes/game next year before tranferring.

I don't know if OP understands what he is debating.
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My data shows otherwise. It actually shows that while Trae had a few dry spells in his career this guy has been all over the map even when he has gotten big minutes.
 
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Antonio Barton vs Trae Golden

Games with 20+ points: Antonio- 2 Trae- 11

Games with 15+ points: Antonio- 11 Trae- 22

Games with 10+ points Antonio- 29 Trae- 46

Now the bad, keeping in mind that Trae didn't play much as a freshman and Barton didn't play much as a junior. Let's look at the number of times they played 15+ minutes and scored 5 or fewer points

Antonio- 29 Trae- 17

So now we know that Trae Golden is a FAR superior AND MUCH more consistent scorer let's go look at some other stats in our next installment if. HOW DELUSIONAL IS VOLNATION
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How about games in which they played each other? Post those numbers, plz.
 
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Antonio Barton vs Trae Golden

Games with 20+ points: Antonio- 2 Trae- 11

Games with 15+ points: Antonio- 11 Trae- 22

Games with 10+ points Antonio- 29 Trae- 46

Now the bad, keeping in mind that Trae didn't play much as a freshman and Barton didn't play much as a junior. Let's look at the number of times they played 15+ minutes and scored 5 or fewer points

Antonio- 29 Trae- 17

So now we know that Trae Golden is a FAR superior AND MUCH more consistent scorer let's go look at some other stats in our next installment if. HOW DELUSIONAL IS VOLNATION
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All you are focused on is their scoring. If that we're the barometer, then yes, this looks like a downgrade.

WE DON'T NEED BARTON TO SCORE 15-20 POINTS PER GAME.

I don't know how to make that any clearer.
 
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I don't care about such a small sample size when they have played 80-90 games, but I remember Mel Goins abusing this guy.
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Goins scored 15 points that game and was 4-4 from the 3-point line (meaning he scored all of three points elsewhere). I'd let Goins shoot all day from out there and if he hits them, then he hits them. I guarantee you few of those shots were contested.

That's hardly "lighting someone up".
 
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I think the key difference when comparing Barton to Golden is that Barton just makes the clutch shots. There were definitely times when we NEEDED a win and Golden just didn't have his game face on and basically lost it for us (Georgia, Alabama, Virginia) whereas Barton does a great job of hitting last second 3s and usually shows up for the 'must-wins'.
 
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cncchris33 said:
All you are focused on is their scoring. If that we're the barometer, then yes, this looks like a downgrade.

WE DON'T NEED BARTON TO SCORE 15-20 POINTS PER GAME.

I don't know how to make that any clearer.
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Barton is a better scorer than Golden, I'm convinced. (I've seen both play dozens of games). Barton isn't that solid a distributor, but he can score better than Golden. His scoring numbers aren't great because he was the 6th-7th scoring option at Memphis, whereas Golden was 1st or 2nd.
 
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This guy is great at setting people up right?

Assist number:

We can all agree that 4 assists is a pretty decent night for a college PG, not great but fair

Times with 4+ assists in career

Antonio- 6 Trae- 46

I was going to go in-depth again but do I even need to continue? Case closed.
 
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My data shows otherwise. It actually shows that while Trae had a few dry spells in his career this guy has been all over the map even when he has gotten big minutes.
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Then why did your post above admit he showed mire consistency than trae? Do I have to copy and paste it.
Look, you want to look a pgs points to determine their importance as a pg. That tells me enough.
 
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This guy is great at setting people up right?

Assist number:

We can all agree that 4 assists is a pretty decent night for a college PG, not great but fair

Times with 4+ assists in career

Antonio- 6 Trae- 46

I was going to go in-depth again but do I even need to continue? Case closed.
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Everyone of these arguments is flawed because Trae Golden has averaged twice as many minutes over his career than Barton. But continue on with the irrelevant stats.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Then why did your post above admit he showed mire consistency than trae? Do I have to copy and paste it.
Look, you want to look a pgs points to determine their importance as a pg. That tells me enough.
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I've tried explaining that to him. He doesn't get it, or doesn't want to get it.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Then why did your post above admit he showed mire consistency than trae? Do I have to copy and paste it.
Look, you want to look a pgs points to determine their importance as a pg. That tells me enough.
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I have seen plenty of Antonio Barton and I never thought he was any good. I took the volnation idiots word that he was at least consistent until I looked at his stats. What do you look at? A crappy highlight film. The data isn't even remotely close on these 2.
 
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I have seen plenty of Antonio Barton and I never thought he was any good. I took the volnation idiots word that he was at least consistent until I looked at his stats. What do you look at? A crappy highlight film. The data isn't even remotely close on these 2.
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No. He looked at your post where you flat out admitted Barton was more consistent than Golden.
 
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I have seen plenty of Antonio Barton and I never thought he was any good. I took the volnation idiots word that he was at least consistent until I looked at his stats. What do you look at? A crappy highlight film. The data isn't even remotely close on these 2.
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Just wait until November.
 
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