The ever so solid and consistent Mr. Barton

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cncchris33 said:
Barton: 6ppg
Maymon: 10ppg
Hubbs: 8ppg

Those are all conservative estimates for a total of 24 points.
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Frankly if Maymon is actually 100% healthy I think he will average more than 10 PPG however I think Stokes PPG will drop.

The question will be what will Barton and Hubbs do in the points department.
 
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Now that we see that Barton is nowhere near Golden either in consistency or production, maybe we should really be questioning Martin here. What happened with Wes Washpun? No doubt in my mind that he would be better defensively and in transition by this point than Barton? Why would we run him off and then turn around and give the scholarships to some of these guys that are still on the roster.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
He doesn't have a clue what he is debating. He is taking some stats from one team and applying to another with an entirely different circumstance.

If Barton only scores 3 ppg, his main job should be distributing to the other scorers and defending the other team's PG. Golden was good at neither. He was good at driving to the basket and occasionally hitting a 3.
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Barton is an absolutely awful distributor. We discussed that in this thread too.
 
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BOP said:
Now that we see that Barton is nowhere near Golden either in consistency or production, maybe we should really be questioning Martin here. What happened with Wes Washpun? No doubt in my mind that he would be better defensively and in transition by this point than Barton? Why would we run him off and then turn around and give the scholarships to some of these guys that are still on the roster.
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lol Dud thats the funniest thing you have said year to date.
 
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patrick said:
Frankly if Maymon is actually 100% healthy I think he will average more than 10 PPG however I think Stokes PPG will drop.

The question will be what will Barton and Hubbs do in the points department.
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Stokes averaged 12ppg last year. I find it hard to believe it falls much. I believe it will increase based on my beluef that we will play faster and accumulate more possessions. But lets say for argument's sake that Stokes' ppg does decrease. Doesn't your belief that Maymon averages more than 10ppg make that a wash? If Maymon avearges 12ppg and Stokes gets 10ppg, it's the same result.
 
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BOP said:
Now that we see that Barton is nowhere near Golden either in consistency or production, maybe we should really be questioning Martin here. What happened with Wes Washpun? No doubt in my mind that he would be better defensively and in transition by this point than Barton? Why would we run him off and then turn around and give the scholarships to some of these guys that are still on the roster.
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Now I know you're trolling.
 
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Well in about 6 months we will all see first hand what Barton can do at the point.
 
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I was actually thinking about Stokes's numbers earlier today. I tend to think the scoring will drop a little. Maybe 11ppg, I know it's not a big difference, but this should be one of the most offensively competent teams we've had in a while.

Who knows though, anything can happen.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Now I know you're trolling.
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Why would I be trolling. Barton is NOT good at all. He's not even average. Every great positive that has been thrown his way that can be measured statistically other than 3% has been destroyed. He got big minutes, he didn't produce.

So when you simply understand that Barton is not a good player whatsoever, it is much easier to understand why a guy with Washpun's raw but natural athletic ability could have been molded into at least as good as a non-producer like Barton.
 
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Still haven't addressed Barton's defense over Golden in any way shape or form.
 
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patrick said:
Frankly if Maymon is actually 100% healthy I think he will average more than 10 PPG however I think Stokes PPG will drop.

The question will be what will Barton and Hubbs do in the points department.
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Don't know how many minutes Hubbs will get, but Barton will knock down some shots. But, players of this caliber will score points when they get enough minutes.

It is like bad NBA teams. You look up and some no-name is averaging 15 points and 8 rebounds on a bad team. Well, he plays 35 minutes a game- someone has to score and get rebound. Every college team will average at least 60-70 points a game. Someone has to get those points.
 
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BOP said:
Barton is an absolutely awful distributor. We discussed that in this thread too.
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Hyperbole much? He isn't absolutely an awful distributor. To this point, it may not have been his strength, but to call him awful is just over-exaggerated. Frankly, we don't know how he will thrive in an environment where he gets significant minutes where his singular most important role should be involving his teammates.

You just don't want to believe he can succeed in that role because he didn't average 15ppg for Memphis, which is irrelevant in so many ways.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Hyperbole much? He isn't absolutely an awful distributor. To this point, it may not have been his strength, but to call him awful is just over-exaggerated. Frankly, we don't know how he will thrive in an environment where he gets significant minutes where his singular most important role should be involving his teammates.

You just don't want to believe he can succeed in that role because he didn't average 15ppg for Memphis, which is irrelevant in so many ways.
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Chris, I know it can be fun to argue with someone who is completely full of it. But, unless you enjoy it, don't keep feeding it. I don't even respond anymore because it is pointless.
 
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BOP said:
Why would I be trolling. Barton is NOT good at all. He's not even average. Every great positive that has been thrown his way that can be measured statistically other than 3% has been destroyed. He got big minutes, he didn't produce.

So when you simply understand that Barton is not a good player whatsoever, it is much easier to understand why a guy with Washpun's raw but natural athletic ability could have been molded into at least as good as a non-producer like Barton.
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Oh ok. Well if you say so, it must be true.

End thread.
 
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I'm glad you created this thread BOP, it's going to become the most bumped tread in the history of the BB forum on VN. (Yes, including the goodbye Cuonzo thread)
 
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BOP said:
Barton is an absolutely awful distributor. We discussed that in this thread to.
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Not sure about that.
TOs speak volumes about distribution.
A good percentage of our intended assists resulted in TOs this season.
Barton had a TO per every 19 minutes as a freshmen PG playing 24 minutes.
This Season with less minutes and playing mostly the 2 he had a TO every 20 minutes.
Seems pretty consistent there.
Compare that to JJ who had one every 6 as a freshman.
Don't need great scoring.
Need solid ball handling on offense.
That's what we'll get from Barton.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Chris, I know it can be fun to argue with someone who is completely full of it. But, unless you enjoy it, don't keep feeding it. I don't even respond anymore because it is pointless.
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I'm a glutton for punishment I guess. Haha. It's not even fun at this point. The point of arguing is to hopefully convince the other person of your point of view. BOP doesn't want to be convinced. I couldn't convince him that today is Friday with a calendar.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Hyperbole much? He isn't absolutely an awful distributor. To this point, it may not have been his strength, but to call him awful is just over-exaggerated. Frankly, we don't know how he will thrive in an environment where he gets significant minutes where his singular most important role should be involving his teammates.

You just don't want to believe he can succeed in that role because he didn't average 15ppg for Memphis, which is irrelevant in so many ways.
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He doesnt have anything except 3%. NOTHING. Not even a respectable FT%. His assist number are really, really, bad.
 
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BOP said:
Antonio Barton Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Memphis Tigers - ESPN

Here are the game logs for his entire career.

Next we had Trae Golden.

Trae Golden Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Tennessee Volunteers - ESPN

Barton was far from consistent, maybe more consistent than Trae but just not good enough to be as inconsistent(yes it does make sense.) He couldn't even consistently get on the court.
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I love this addition to our team!! He is experienced and also it gives our freshmen point guards time learn the college game and not be pushed in to the starting role as a freshman. Win! win! situation...
 
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