The ever so solid and consistent Mr. Barton

#26
#26
BOP said:
I don't care about such a small sample size when they have played 80-90 games, but I remember Mel Goins abusing this guy.
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Golden played more than double the mins Barton did. This is a horrible comparison and I would be willing to bet we have a better record this year with Barton than we did last year with Golden.
 
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#27
cncchris33 said:
All you are focused on is their scoring. If that we're the barometer, then yes, this looks like a downgrade.

WE DON'T NEED BARTON TO SCORE 15-20 POINTS PER GAME.

I don't know how to make that any clearer.
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Agreed. He does need to be more of a playmaker than either he or Trae was historically in distributing the ball to our scorers, and play tough defense on our opponents PG. Plus, he has a pretty decent 3 pt shot percentage (40 - 42%) when we need it. Only time will tell, but this is a very timely pick up after Trae was let go by UT for his multiple academic testing offenses this close to basketball preparation for this season. Hopefully, there should be enough time for him to find his place on the team. Most of the team was texting him and letting hm know we need him. So that's a good start.
 
#28
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BOP said:
What do you look at? A crappy highlight film. The data isn't even remotely close on these 2.
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Its not even apples to oranges. Trae golden would have had mop up duty at Memphis the last 15 years.
This is about what UT's team needs and which guard can supply it. Defense, energy, ballhandling, effort and to knock down a few shots. That's our pg need, whether its trae, Barton or some dude from lipscomb.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Everyone of these arguments is flawed because Trae Golden has averaged twice as many minutes over his career than Barton. But continue on with the irrelevant stats.
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No, and if I need to just compare the stats from the year that barton averaged 11.5+ minutes I will.

Minutes 2013

Golden 30.3

Barton 16.7 (Early he was averaging over 20, this includes the games when he got nearly 0)

Minutes 2012

Barton 21.9

Golden 32.0

Minutes 2011

Barton 24.9

Golden 13.3
 
#32
#32
BOP said:
My data shows otherwise. It actually shows that while Trae had a few dry spells in his career this guy has been all over the map even when he has gotten big minutes.
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Is this similar to the Titanic taking on a little water?
 
#34
#34
BOP said:
What do you think with? I was wrong. I just posted proof that I was wrong. Are you stupid?
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Ok Trey, why u so mad? If we hadn't found anyone to replace u, would that have made u feel better? Grow up, sit back, and watch how the season goes.. No sense in blasting a guy that chose UT over a ton of other options(including a good basketball school that was his hometown school) We have plenty of fire power on this team.. Barton wit have to do much.
 
#35
#35
Glad you made this thread BOP.
It should become more infamous than the Good bye Cuonzo thread.
Makes it easier to Bump Bump Bump your remarks.
Happy bumping!!
 
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cncchris33 said:
All you are focused on is their scoring. If that we're the barometer, then yes, this looks like a downgrade.

WE DON'T NEED BARTON TO SCORE 15-20 POINTS PER GAME.

I don't know how to make that any clearer.
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Who is going to replace Golden's PPG?
 
#39
#39
patrick said:
Who is going to replace Golden's PPG?
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If Barton averages a conservative 6 ppg, that leaves a whole 7 ppg to be replaced. Maymon over Hall is good for the extra 7 points I would presume. Hubbs will likely contribute his fair share more than McBee could at the SG/SF spots.

Is this a serious question?
 
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#41
I like how BOP forgets that Barton is twice the defensive player Golden is and doesn't mention anything on his defense when Barton is clearly the better defender.
 
#42
#42
zjcvols said:
I like how BOP forgets that Barton is twice the defensive player Golden is and doesn't mention anything on his defense when Barton is clearly the better defender.
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Well that aspect doesn't further his argument. Of course, neither has the rest of his slanted/biased babble. He only wants compare offensive stats from Player A, who was scoring option #3 at worst on his team and played 30 mpg, to Player B, who was scoring option #6-7 on his team and played roughly half the minutes off the bench on a deeper, more talented team.

It works, right?
 
#43
#43
I like how no one is agreeing with the OP that should tell everyone what we need to know. OP thinks that scoring from the pg is how you judge them lol...he's lost. Guys please go easy on him :)
 
#44
#44
Barton's defense will make up about 5-15 points that Golden let the other teams pg run right past him. Pulse Barton will knock a 3 or two down a night on top of that. Guys it's going to be nice seeing a pg actually push the ball up the court and not walk it up.
 
#47
#47
Tennessee is losing 24.8 PPG with departures/graduation of McBee, Hall, Golden, and Yemi which is 37.5% of the team's scoring. That is no easy task to replace.
 
#48
#48
patrick said:
Tennessee is losing 24.8 PPG with departures/graduation of McBee, Hall, Golden, and Yemi which is 37.5% of the team's scoring. That is no easy task to replace.
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Barton: 6ppg
Maymon: 10ppg
Hubbs: 8ppg

Those are all conservative estimates for a total of 24 points.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
So you are saying a backup pg was more consistent than the starting pg for back to back nit teams. Someone who had less game time, showed to be more consistent than the guy that was going to be playing 30+ minutes/game next year before tranferring.

I don't know if OP understands what he is debating.
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He doesn't have a clue what he is debating. He is taking some stats from one team and applying to another with an entirely different circumstance.

If Barton only scores 3 ppg, his main job should be distributing to the other scorers and defending the other team's PG. Golden was good at neither. He was good at driving to the basket and occasionally hitting a 3.
 
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