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TrueOrange said:
I think Cooper's more of a longer term thing. Like either late in the year or possibly for the next season.

Part of picking him was mostly memories of having passed on the likes of AJ Green his rookie season because I was then-set at WR and really needed running back help.
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I agree, though I'm hoping he contributes faster. I'll probably keep him stashed just in case, unless I have a run of injuries.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
I agree, though I'm hoping he contributes faster. I'll probably keep him stashed just in case, unless I have a run of injuries.
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like Latavius Murray, Amari Cooper won't be worthwhile in fantasy until he no longer wears Silver and Black
 
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Marshall might have also been a good one to have...missed that one too. (Not as bad as missing Keenan Allen, though.)
 
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#2,206
BadJerry20 said:
Honestly I think everyone dropping Adams is knee jerking a lot, I would pick him up. If you drop Stafford or M Bryant they will still probably be sitting there in 2 weeks. I'm not high on Andre Johnson personally.
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Agree with all of this, except maybe M. Bryant because people in my league seem to like him. I probably drop Stafford, just because in a 10 team league there are enough QBs to go around. Maybe Witten. TO has a good team with no one obviously droppable, but Adams HAS to be picked up IMO
 
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crusse10 said:
as a Packers fan, I can safely say that in a PPR league, Adams will normally do better than Jones. In a regular league, Jones will most likely even things out with Adams because Adams won't see the endzone plays that Jones will see. Rodgers is so comfortable with Jones and Adams will have to work up to that respect. Jones and Rodgers were together for years, whereas this is only the start of Adams' second season. So if you're getting a point every time, then you're probably looking at 7ish catches and 60-80 yards every week from Adams. But I wouldn't expect much endzone action.

You won't play Bryant before the other dude gets back. Pick up Adams. You could try to move Bryant to the guy who has Dez and needs protection for a few weeks, and Bryant would offer that.
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Adams is a better player than Jones, period. He's more talented, he'll get thrown to more, and he's 6'1--he'll get his TDs.

Shoot, if people are this low on Adams, I'm gonna go try and trade for him
 
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#2,208
VKAman said:
Adams is a better player than Jones, period. He's more talented, he'll get thrown to more, and he's 6'1--he'll get his TDs.

Shoot, if people are this low on Adams, I'm gonna go try and trade for him
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I have Adams in one of my 2 leagues and I'm not dropping him. I'm just being realistic. Adams wasn't a TD guy and that's what James Jones has been for Rodgers for years. Just giving a fair evaluation as a person that watches every Green Bay game
 
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crusse10 said:
I have Adams in one of my 2 leagues and I'm not dropping him. I'm just being realistic. Adams wasn't a TD guy and that's what James Jones has been for Rodgers for years. Just giving a fair evaluation as a person that watches every Green Bay game
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What does it mean to be "not a TD guy?"
 
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VKAman said:
What does it mean to be "not a TD guy?"
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In the redzone, I expect Adams to be 4th or 5th on Rodgers' radar. Last year Adams had 6 catches on plays that originated inside the redzone. He only had 1 more redzone catch than Andrew Quarless. He had 3 TDs. He's just not the guy Rodgers focuses on in the redzone.

James Jones, on the other hand...In his breakout season in 2012, he had 14 catches on redzone plays, 11 of those were TDs.

Jones will be a target inside the redzone. Adams will be a checkdown.
 
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crusse10 said:
In the redzone, I expect Adams to be 4th or 5th on Rodgers' radar. Last year Adams had 6 catches on plays that originated inside the redzone. He only had 1 more redzone catch than Andrew Quarless. He had 3 TDs. He's just not the guy Rodgers focuses on in the redzone.

James Jones, on the other hand...In his breakout season in 2012, he had 14 catches on redzone plays, 11 of those were TDs.

Jones will be a target inside the redzone. Adams will be a checkdown.
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You neglected to mention the fact that Adams had 38 catches total, while in Jones' "breakout season" he had 64. That means 16% of Adams' catches were in the redzone (and he was a rookie), as opposed to 21% for Jones.

Add to that the fact that Rodgers will throw about 40 touchdowns, so even if Jones catches 10, there's plenty to go around. Like I said, Adams will get his. I'm not too worried about a guy that got cut by the Raiders.
 
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VKAman said:
You neglected to mention the fact that Adams had 38 catches total, while in Jones' "breakout season" he had 64. That means 16% of Adams' catches were in the redzone (and he was a rookie), as opposed to 21% for Jones.

Add to that the fact that Rodgers will throw about 40 touchdowns, so even if Jones catches 10, there's plenty to go around. Like I said, Adams will get his. I'm not too worried about a guy that got cut by the Raiders.
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Hey, if you want to think that, more power to you. Like I said, Davante will still be a good play. Davante could go for double the yards and half the TDs at best. That's how I see it playing out. I think Davante gets about 60-80 yards a game, but only gets in the endzone maybe 5 or 6 times. Jones may only get 4 or 5 catches a game, but I expect most of those to be high-pressure plays, like 3rd downs and ones in the redzone. Rodgers trusts Jones, and I'd argue that he trusts Jones more than he trusts Davante.

And the only way I'd agree that Rodgers goes for 40 TD passes is if Jordy Nelson magically reappears. I'd put him at 35, max. More running with Lacy will cut into his numbers.
 
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VKAman said:
You neglected to mention the fact that Adams had 38 catches total, while in Jones' "breakout season" he had 64. That means 16% of Adams' catches were in the redzone (and he was a rookie), as opposed to 21% for Jones.

Add to that the fact that Rodgers will throw about 40 touchdowns, so even if Jones catches 10, there's plenty to go around. Like I said, Adams will get his. I'm not too worried about a guy that got cut by the Raiders.
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Then throw in that Adams will have 30 more catches and 400 more yards. Plus season stats don't really matter. Adams will give you consistent production every game, Jones is going to be a crap shoot every week. Adams went from top 15 potential before the draft to a guy people are tossing in a week. People dumping him are going to regret that decision. IMO
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Then throw in that Adams will have 30 more catches and 400 more yards. Plus season stats don't really matter. Adams will give you consistent production every game, Jones is going to be a crap shoot every week. Adams went from top 15 potential before the draft to a guy people are tossing in a week. People dumping him are going to regret that decision. IMO
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That's what I'm getting at. Dear Lord. If it's not PPR and Adams gets 5 TDs while Jones gets 10 TDs, but Adams out-receives Jones by 400 yards, that's an end-of-season difference of 10 points.
 
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VKAman said:
What does it mean to be "not a TD guy?"
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Well there's only been one game this season to go on, but from what I was reading, when Green Bay was in the red zone Rodgers only looked his way once and that was on a pass that he was throwing out the back of end zone.

He just might not be someone that Rodgers naturally/easily works to in his progression in those situations/ on a shorter field.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Then throw in that Adams will have 30 more catches and 400 more yards. Plus season stats don't really matter. Adams will give you consistent production every game, Jones is going to be a crap shoot every week. Adams went from top 15 potential before the draft to a guy people are tossing in a week. People dumping him are going to regret that decision. IMO
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I'd like for that to turn out to be the case.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Well there's only been one game this season to go on, but from what I was reading, when Green Bay was in the red zone Rodgers only looked his way once and that was on a pass that he was throwing out the back of end zone.

He just might not be someone that Rodgers naturally/easily works to in his progression in those situations/ on a shorter field.
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When QBs are going through progressions, they aren't thinking about jersey numbers. You might force the ball to a Calvin Johnson, but not to James Jones. He's going to throw to the guy that's open, and Adams is a big target and a better player. If you're designing plays to go to a particular receiver, it's not James Jones.

I'd be absolutely shocked if Adams only scored 5 TDs. I'd happily put money on him scoring more than that. But I guess we'll see at the end of the season
 
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crusse10 said:
That's what I'm getting at. Dear Lord. If it's not PPR and Adams gets 5 TDs while Jones gets 10 TDs, but Adams out-receives Jones by 400 yards, that's an end-of-season difference of 10 points.
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Unless you are starting both guys all year, as I said in that post, season stats don't really matter much. If you can somehow predict when Jones will get 40-2 vs when he goes 40-0 then Jones is your guy. I'll gladly take the guy that will get 60-80 and a TD every other week that I play vs crossing my fingers.
 
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Team 1-Need a flex...M. Wallace, A. Cooper, S. Watkins

Team 2-Flex...J. Brown, J. Landry, M. Gordon

Team 3-RB... T. Coleman,D. Martin, L. Murray, Abdullah

Flex...same group above plus J. Matthews
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Team 1-Need a flex...M. Wallace, A. Cooper, S. Watkins

Team 2-Flex...J. Brown, J. Landry, M. Gordon

Team 3-RB... T. Coleman,D. Martin, L. Murray, Abdullah

Flex...same group above plus J. Matthews
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Watkins

Landry

Abdullah

Matthews/Abdullah

Standard/PPR? Because that would make a diff. I was picking based off ppr
 
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