The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (Disney+)

[BenGrimm]

It was stupid. They show white cops harassing a black guy for arguing with a white guy in the hood.

I think the two leads work. It needs to have more of their interaction.

Yeah because that would NEVER happen

 

[BenGrimm]

I guess but he saw them picking up all that really heavy stuff so he knew they were strong.

Yeah... I guess the girl surprised him.

 

[BenGrimm]

Fun facts I saw today.

Nu-Cap, John Walters, is played by Wyatt Russell. Son of Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn. His first audition for a movie was for Steve Rogers in First Avenger.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Fun facts I saw today.

Nu-Cap, John Walters, is played by Wyatt Russell. Son of Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn. His first audition for a movie was for Steve Rogers in First Avenger.

Yup, guy from 22 Jump Street. Stepbrother of Kate Hudson.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

Yeah because that would NEVER happen

Well, superheroes will never happen. Why do we need realistic references to racism in a fictional show about comic book characters? I agree it was stupid no matter how real it is. I don't need to see racism shoved in my superhero entertainment to know that stuff happens. It was very very cliche at that. I ask, did it add any value to the episode?

 

[BenGrimm]

Well, superheroes will never happen. Why do we need realistic references to racism in a fictional show about comic book characters? I agree it was stupid no matter how real it is. I don't need to see racism shoved in my superhero entertainment to know that stuff happens. It was very very cliche at that. I ask, did it add any value to the episode?

The Captain America comics were tackling similar issues in the 70s. And again in the 80s, where this this show’s very story originates, when Rogers was fired and the US Gov first considered giving the mantle to Falcon but went with Walker because the “country wasn’t ready for a black Captain America.” Yes those words were used in the comics. In the 1980s. And it wasn’t meant to be a a good thing then.

I hate to break it to you but this isn’t some new phenomenon being pushed by Disney.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Well, superheroes will never happen. Why do we need realistic references to racism in a fictional show about comic book characters? I agree it was stupid no matter how real it is. I don't need to see racism shoved in my superhero entertainment to know that stuff happens. It was very very cliche at that. I ask, did it add any value to the episode?

My god you people are so feeble, weak, and snowflake. If that small scene causes you to have this reaction, then buddy I hate to break it to you but you're exactly the person that needs to see it. You don't need it "shoved in your face"? What.....reality? Cliche? How about getting out of your middle class white bubble for a change, this "cliche" sh** happens literally every day. Did it add any value to the episode....let's see....maybe they aren't just writing things for YOUR kind anymore. So to a great number out there....yes it did add value. So sorry your snowflake ass can't handle just a small taste of it.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Yeah... I guess the girl surprised him.

Yeah that part I didn't have that much of a problem with since he thought she was a hostage. I guess it was after that what I meant. He seemed to get beat down rather easily after that. This is the same dude who was almost unstoppable in Civil War and yeah granted he was brainwashed but even after he went toe to toe with Iron Man a good while, and then later fought against Thanos' army. I don't think a rag tag group of people with increased strength are going to punk him like that.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

The Captain America comics were tackling similar issues in the 70s. And again in the 80s, where this this show’s very story originates, when Rogers was fired and the US Gov first considered giving the mantle to Falcon but went with Walker because the “country wasn’t ready for a black Captain America.” Yes those words were used in the comics. In the 1980s. And it wasn’t meant to be a a good thing then.

I hate to break it to you but this isn’t some new phenomenon being pushed by Disney.

That would be fine if they went with that story out of the comics but they chose some cliche racist cop they made up because that's what's in the media. Don't act like Disney is putting these things in to be informative or paying homage to the original comic. Racism aside, it was a cliche scene. Terrible writing appealing to what's "in". It added nothing to the story....NOTHING.

 

[BenGrimm]

That would be fine if they went with that story out of the comics but they chose some cliche racist cop they made up because that's what's in the media. Don't act like Disney is putting these things in to be informative. Racism aside, it was a cliche scene. Terrible writing appealing to what's "in". It added nothing to the story....NOTHING.

You mean they reflected the current times? My word! That’s what the comic stories were doing when they were written as well.

Did it add value to the story, yes. It’s part his character and probably establishing the racism in his life before revealing why Walker was asked to be be the new Cap over him.

You call it cliche but to a large segment of the population this is reality and I guarantee there are young AA men that saw that scene and related to it. It’s not just the “in” thing.

It’s not even the first instance in the show. So if that one scene triggered you then you may as well quit watching. It’s going to be ongoing subtext. Just wait until you find out the Truth about Isaiah.

 

[butchna]

Well, superheroes will never happen. Why do we need realistic references to racism in a fictional show about comic book characters? I agree it was stupid no matter how real it is. I don't need to see racism shoved in my superhero entertainment to know that stuff happens. It was very very cliche at that. I ask, did it add any value to the episode?

I watched it yesterday with this backdrop expecting to be annoyed...didn’t happen. Good episode. RIP RedWing.

 

[butchna]

Yeah that part I didn't have that much of a problem with since he thought she was a hostage. I guess it was after that what I meant. He seemed to get beat down rather easily after that. This is the same dude who was almost unstoppable in Civil War and yeah granted he was brainwashed but even after he went toe to toe with Iron Man a good while, and then later fought against Thanos' army. I don't think a rag tag group of people with increased strength are going to punk him like that.

In this conception, both Bucky and Isaiah were enhanced with lighter versions of the Super Soldier serum than Steve Rogers. We don’t really know how much lighter this new group have been strengthened...if at all. But this conflict was on top of a moving vehicle and he was outnumbered...so I don’t see the “punk” factor.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

I’m not keen on CA not having super serum traits. Unless I’m missing something. I don’t know the comics storyline.

 

[chatsworth_vol]

Yeah that part I didn't have that much of a problem with since he thought she was a hostage. I guess it was after that what I meant. He seemed to get beat down rather easily after that. This is the same dude who was almost unstoppable in Civil War and yeah granted he was brainwashed but even after he went toe to toe with Iron Man a good while, and then later fought against Thanos' army. I don't think a rag tag group of people with increased strength are going to punk him like that.

I wonder if he was holding back, maybe? Kinda trying to follow his new therapy rules. Trying to avoid going too hard and hurt them too bad or kill them. I dunno

 

[thehardknoxlife]

You mean they reflected the current times? My word! That’s what the comic stories were doing when they were written as well.

Did it add value to the story, yes. It’s part his character and probably establishing the racism in his life before revealing why Walker was asked to be be the new Cap over him.

You call it cliche but to a large segment of the population this is reality and I guarantee there are young AA men that saw that scene and related to it. It’s not just the “in” thing.

It’s not even the first instance in the show. So if that one scene triggered you then you may as well quit watching. It’s going to be ongoing subtext. Just wait until you find out the Truth about Isaiah.

I understand we'll never see eye to eye, you'll always have some comeback. I love how to support your ideas you write Falcons backstory. I think you're about to label me as a racist, and I LMAO. I'm not sure how I seem triggered, I was just pointing out this is all made up and isn't real. It doesn't bother me at all and I would never let some lame writer ruin my day, I just don't think it need to be in comic book material. I mean, Marvel became the biggest movie studio without this kind of stuff. You say it wasnt cliche but that was straight out of current news media. It was written to appeal to current ratings. I work in marketing, I understand how these things work, to an extent

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I wonder if he was holding back, maybe? Kinda trying to follow his new therapy rules. Trying to avoid going too hard and hurt them too bad or kill them. I dunno

Possibly. I'm thinking now it was more he went in with no plan and the "hostage" being one of them threw him off. He pretty much just forced himself into the mission, from what we can tell he got pretty much zero intel, plus he doesn't really listen to Sam anyway. Walker and his side kick show up which is already a sore spot and I guess I can chalk it up to his head wasn't really into the mission. I'm just more ticked that they made him seem less strong than he is, but again that's been an MCU thing forever and even before that. Like my favorite Spider-Man, all the moves are all over the place with him. He has super strength yet he gets gimped all the time in fights he should have the upper hand strength wise.

 

[BenGrimm]

I understand we'll never see eye to eye, you'll always have some comeback. I love how to support your ideas you write Falcons backstory. I think you're about to label me as a racist, and I LMAO. I'm not sure how I seem triggered, I was just pointing out this is all made up and isn't real. It doesn't bother me at all and I would never let some lame writer ruin my day, I just don't think it need to be in comic book material. I mean, Marvel became the biggest movie studio without this kind of stuff. You say it wasnt cliche but that was straight out of current news media. It was written to appeal to current ratings. I work in marketing, I understand how these things work, to an extent

I don’t think you understand what ‘cliche’ means. Yes it was pulling from the news of the day. That is not ‘cliche’ that is relevant.

Again, this is going to be the subtext of the show. It’s not new. It is from the comics.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I don’t think you understand what ‘cliche’ means. Yes it was pulling from the news of the day. That is not ‘cliche’ that is relevant.

Again, this is going to be the subtext of the show. It’s not new. It is from the comics.

There's a lot this guy doesn't understand.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

I don’t think you understand what ‘cliche’ means. Yes it was pulling from the news of the day. That is not ‘cliche’ that is relevant.

Again, this is going to be the subtext of the show. It’s not new. It is from the comics.

It is cliche. They didn't think that up, they pulled it straight from news media. Surely you realize racist cop reporting seen a massive spike in coverage during the election? It was to a point they were reaching for anything that could be reported as such because of the ratings. (That's also the time this script was being written.) That's being overused. No thought, overuse. That's text book cliche. I understand that you don't understand. You're just focused on the racist aspect and it blinds you. You'r badly trying to make it seem like I'm a racists. I don't care that it was racist, it could have been about sex trafficing if that was as news popular as racists cops were. It's just lazy writing appealing to what gets eyes on you based on view numbers instead creativeness. The media shoves enough of this crap in front of us, we don't need it in our comic book entertainment to know it exists. If it was part of the story then fair game, but it isn't.

 

[BenGrimm]

It is cliche. They didn't think that up, they pulled it straight from news media. Surely you realize racist cop reporting seen a massive spike in coverage during the election? It was to a point they were reaching for anything that could be reported as such because of the ratings. (That's also the time this script was being written.) That's being overused. No thought, overuse. That's text book cliche. I understand that you don't understand. You're just focused on the racist aspect and it blinds you. You'r badly trying to make it seem like I'm a racists. I don't care that it was racist, it could have been about sex trafficing if that was as news popular as racists cops were. It's just lazy writing appealing to what gets eyes on you based on view numbers instead creativeness. The media shoves enough of this crap in front of us, we don't need it in our comic book entertainment to know it exists. If it was part of the story then fair game, but it isn't.

I’m not calling you a racist but you seem to be awfully defensive about not being a racist.

I’m simply trying to point out it IS part of the story. That is what you are missing. The scene at the bank in the first episode was another aspect of this. Falcon being passed up as the new Cap because he is black is directly from the comics. When they get to the story of the old man, Isaiah, you will see that racism is part of this story.

This stuff has ALWAYS been part of comic entertainment. If you would like me to point you to stories directly dealing with Civil Rights in Captain America as well as other mainstream comics going back to the 1960s I will be happy to compile a list.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

It’s part of the story. Let it build or move on.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

I’m not calling you a racist but you seem to be awfully defensive about not being a racist.

I’m simply trying to point out it IS part of the story. That is what you are missing. The scene at the bank in the first episode was another aspect of this. Falcon being passed up as the new Cap because he is black is directly from the comics. When they get to the story of the old man, Isaiah, you will see that racism is part of this story.

This stuff has ALWAYS been part of comic entertainment. If you would like me to point you to stories directly dealing with Civil Rights in Captain America as well as other mainstream comics going back to the 1960s I will be happy to compile a list.

It's not part of the story. I've never seen a racist cop single out a black man in the street for just being black in any comic. That came from todays media, not the comic.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I always laugh at people who whine about narratives being pushed when it's clear they have their own narrative they are wanting pushed; by demanding that certain topics be ignored....that itself is a narrative you are wanting pushed.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I’m not calling you a racist but you seem to be awfully defensive about not being a racist.

I’m simply trying to point out it IS part of the story. That is what you are missing. The scene at the bank in the first episode was another aspect of this. Falcon being passed up as the new Cap because he is black is directly from the comics. When they get to the story of the old man, Isaiah, you will see that racism is part of this story.

This stuff has ALWAYS been part of comic entertainment. If you would like me to point you to stories directly dealing with Civil Rights in Captain America as well as other mainstream comics going back to the 1960s I will be happy to compile a list.

Wait until someone explains to him what Mutants themselves were an allegory for.

 

[BenGrimm]

It's not part of the story. I've never seen a racist cop single out a black man in the street for just being black in any comic. That came from todays media, not the comic.

You need to read more comics. They’ve been pulling stuff from the headlines since the 1940s.