The Florida Postgame Report

#151
#151
bleedingTNorange said:
your not being realistic though, thats my point. you ask any coach in america which they'd prefer a 1st round ncaa loss, or a nit championship and they'll take the ncaa everytime.

you keep going on about getting the young team experience, that is what the off-season is for. PLUS, we will have about 3 weeks i believe it is in the summer in which our whole team and staff will go to europe and play against opposing european teams. this is a great learning experience, and you get tons of practicing and chemistry situations to build off when you get back.

heres the other experience factor you are missing. have you ever been to a nit game? they are usually pretty empty and just not very hyped or much of a draw. so if next year your goal is the ncaa tournament, wouldnt experience IN THE NCAA tournament and seeing all the medai and hype be more valuable? its not even a question. the experience young players get from 1 game in the ncaa tournament rivals that of the experience they get from the nit. the nit is like playing in a hs gym with a few hundred fans watching, playing in the ncaa is completely different. so if your goal is to be in the ncaa tourney next year, you would definitely want your players gaining the experience of atleast going there this year, over going to the hs gyms for nit games.

one other key aspect here is recruiting. the name NCAA TOURNAMENT speaks for itself and i can promise you is brought up on the recruiting trail. the NIT is just made fun of by anyone, and everyone in college basketball, its called the losers bracket for a reason. some coaches even decline invitations to the NIT, because they dont want their program being associated with the NIT, and recruits seeing that exposure. seeing tennessee on those march madness brackets, and all over espn when analysts are breaking down matchups is what you call exposure. the nationally televised games of the ncaa tournament are what you also call exposure. exposure goes a long ways as far as recruiting goes.


im not trying to call you dumb or stupid or a bad fan. im simply informing you that, our coach, and every coach in the nation would choose to go to the ncaa tournament and lose in the 1st round over going to the NIT and winning the championships. the exposure, experience and education you gain from the ncaa tournament is far and above better than that you'll receive in the nit.
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There is no lesson to be learned in the first round of the AA's if you get your ass handed to you. More games is more games and winning games is better for a young team than losing.

Yes any coach is supposed to rather be in the dance than the NIT. I am not a coach. My job is not on the line so I can look at the whole thing a tad more clearly because of that. If we go to NIT (whih is the most likely outcome anyway) we get more experience even if we go to europe.. see it comes down to math my friend. 4 is more than 3 every day of the week. The more experience we get the better it is for us next year. I am and always will be a big picture type of guy.

This team is at least 2-3 years away from being any sort of threat in the dance I personally prefer the outcome that makes it 2 and not 3. Playing in the NIT winning it would show these kids those guys are not in their class and prepare them to beat the teams they are supposed to beat (which has always been the biggest problem with UT BB). A first round blowout only shows them they don't belong there.
 
#152
#152
TennesseeFan07 said:
Tennessee would be in the second position right now if not for crapping away games against Georgia and Mississippi State.
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and if we beat ap, coc, oakland in addition to those you listed we'd be 18-7 and would be ranked top 25 and a ncaa lock at this point.

dont play the what if game, its very upsetting, ive done it alot lately.
 
#153
#153
pimo1 said:
There is no lesson to be learned in the first round of the AA's if you get your ass handed to you. More games is more games and winning games is better for a young team than losing.

Yes any coach is supposed to rather be in the dance than the NIT. I am not a coach. My job is not on the line so I can look at the whole thing a tad more clearly because of that. If we go to NIT (whih is the most likely outcome anyway) we get more experience even if we go to europe.. see it comes down to math my friend. 4 is more than 3 every day of the week. The more experience we get the better it is for us next year. I am and always will be a big picture type of guy.

This team is at least 2-3 years away from being any sort of threat in the dance I personally prefer the outcome that makes it 2 and not 3. Playing in the NIT winning it would show these kids those guys are not in their class and prepare them to beat the teams they are supposed to beat (which has always been the biggest problem with UT BB). A first round blowout only shows them they don't belong there.
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you just dont get it. what kind of experience do you gain from pounding people and playing against nobodies in front of nobody?

would you rather have played in the bristol classic pre season tournament against say etsu, johnson bible, and roanoke comm college instead of going to maui and playing the teams we played?

that says alot that youd rather go beat up on teams instead of going against the big boys and trying to get better. that is a pathetic attitude to have. the only way you get better is by playing people that are better than you and seeing where you need to improve.

your missing that you gain very little experience from playing in the nit. your basically playing against other crap teams, in front of nobody, that does nothing to benefit a team like us, your not getting it. i understand you see oh we get this many more games, well guess what thats not necessarily true. we could lose in the first round of the nit just as easily as we could in the ncaa tournament.

like i said, that attitude that youd rather beat up on low level teams is really disturbing. so should we cancel pre season tournaments, not play memphis ooc, and avoid teams like uconn and pitt in our ooc schedule? we should just schedule more low level teams like austin peay right? oh wait those games do nothing for you, except hurt you when you lose them like we did.

do you really think it takes these kids winning in the nit to realize they are better than the ap and coc and should win those games? if so we dont want them. none of our guys feel that way, hell they beat uf twice and uconn once, they realize the level of play they should be playing at. they know they shouldnt lose games to teams like ap and coc.

ask any player or coach on this team which they would rather go to, they will all without thinking twice tell you ncaa. you dont know what gonna happen, if we get in we'll be no worse than a 12 seed, guess what 12 seeds beat 5's every year. you dont know what will happen.

and the part that really bothers me most is this attitude, you must not have been a very high level athlete. as an athlete you want to play the best no question asked, you dont want to go against the younger kids on the play ground just because you know its a win. thats not how you get better, you want to pplay the best teams and players in the country.thats part of being an athlete and getting better, i dont get how you can sit here and say itll benefit them more to play cupcake teams.
 
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#155
#155
etsuvol13 said:
I think that this game would have been a lot closer if not for McRae. Outside of his 12 points, he provided a good boost off the bench when FL didn't have an answer. However, the most important thing he did was get the ball up the court. Once the ball hit his hands, he was over the time line in less than 2 seconds. We needed that bad in the 2nd half. Tatum just looks like he is done with UT. I think he is just going through the motions so he can get his diploma.
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Tatum already graduated. Maybe that's why he's done? I wish him the best. but he didn't force it today from what I could tell.
 
#156
#156
It feels excellent to be a Tennessee Vols fan.

Proved today the first game was no fluke with the Vols pushed around the Gators in the Swamp. The Vols get their 1st road win, sweep the Gators, improve their division record to 500, and one game over 500 for their record overall.
 
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#157
#157
pimo1 said:
There is no lesson to be learned in the first round of the AA's if you get your ass handed to you. More games is more games and winning games is better for a young team than losing.

Yes any coach is supposed to rather be in the dance than the NIT. I am not a coach. My job is not on the line so I can look at the whole thing a tad more clearly because of that. If we go to NIT (whih is the most likely outcome anyway) we get more experience even if we go to europe.. see it comes down to math my friend. 4 is more than 3 every day of the week. The more experience we get the better it is for us next year. I am and always will be a big picture type of guy.

This team is at least 2-3 years away from being any sort of threat in the dance I personally prefer the outcome that makes it 2 and not 3. Playing in the NIT winning it would show these kids those guys are not in their class and prepare them to beat the teams they are supposed to beat (which has always been the biggest problem with UT BB). A first round blowout only shows them they don't belong there.
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i suggest this article, good read as to why you always take ncaa...

NCAA one-and-done always beats deep NIT run, Mark Gottfried says | al.com
 
#160
#160
Did the Florida Gators watch the Washington Wizards because their defense, and for most of the game they played as horrid as them.
Plan was to overwhelm the Vols complete backfire.
The Gators forget to eat their wheaties, and drink enough Gatorade.

In their hyper elite uniforms the Gators did not play anything close to elite.
 
#161
#161
bleedingTNorange said:
that actually was supposed to say NIT not NCAA, my bad.

with that said, i dont remember saying we wouldnt make it, i have been very optimistic and hopeful for awhile. i dont think i said we were a lock, but i dont ever remember saying that we werent going to make it.

maybe i did though.

as far as my best recollection though, i have been very optimistic about our chances. in fact, i have been bashed and criticized over the last month or so whenever id mention we had a chance.

with that said, we arent there yet but we are on the right track with the last 3 games.
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I don't have the time or inclination to research it, but I'm pretty sure after the Vandy and UK debacles on the road, you went off the NCAA tourney wagon with 99% of the rest of our fanbase, myself included. No shame in it. No one could have said after those two games that we looked the part of a team that belonged in the NCAA tournament if they were being honest with themselves. Only the biggest of homers would have been calling this an NCAA tourney-worthy team after those games, and that would have been more wishful thinking than accurate prognostication.

If you didn't say it, I apologize for looping you in with those of us who did. Like I said, I'm not going to bother looking it up because it is really of no consequence to me. Barring a monumental collapse, this is at worst, an NIT team projecting the remaining six games.
 
#162
#162
OrangeBalls said:
If we make the NCAA's, I'll be stunned. This has NIT written all over this team.

We'll probably lose one we shouldn't along the way and it wouldn't surprise me one bit. This team has gotten better and that is all you can ask of Martin at this point.

I just wish we had the Oakland, Peay and UGA games back. Those should've been 3 W's, but I never figured us sweeping Fla or beating UCONN either.
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This is spot on. I stated earlier in the season that this team was capable of beating any team they played and capable of losing to any team they played. We lost to the worst D-1 team on our schedule and nearly beat the best one. Games like Austin Peay and Oakland frustrate you even more when you beat teams like UCONN and Florida. Consistency is the name of the game, and with more of it, we would be an NCAA tournament team for sure. As it is, we are most likely an NIT team, which is no small accomplishment given the program's turmoil of the past 18 months.

There is a good chance we finish 5-1 and give ourselves a chance to make a case for the big dance, but like you said, we could slip up against a team we have no business losing to. LSU on the road and Vandy at home to close the season are the two that scare me. Splitting those two would be a success in my book assuming we beat the other four we should beat on paper.
 
#163
#163
zjcvols said:
1. Potentially program changing win. Top 10 SEC opponent on the road? That was huge. This team now has a chance for a tourney bid.

2. Jeronne Maymon was the best player on the floor tonight. That's dominating the paint. Great job by Mr. Maymon.

3. Kenny Hall was very active. That was two straight good games from him, probably the first time in his career. Nice to see that.

4. Trae Golden was a leader today. Just a leader. That's exactly what you want from a point guard. 9-11 from the line too.

5. Love the four guard lineup look today. Really helped with the press and spread Florida out to clear the room for Maymon. Great call by Coach Martin.

6. Jarnell has hit a wall. It happens to everyone, and he's nursing an injury. He'll fight through it and get better as the year goes along.

7. Tennessee did a great job handling the press. They refused to play Florida's game, and it showed. That's a great job by the guards.

8. Hey, Florida...we own you :)

9. Coach Martin has led this team through a lot, and he's done an incredible job. I'm just really impressed with the progress of this team. I could not imagine this happening two months ago. I'm really proud to have him as a representative of the University of Tennessee, proud to follow this team as they have never quit, and proud to be a Tennessee Volunteer.

It's great to be a Tennessee Volunteer!!!
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#164
#164
cncchris33 said:
I don't have the time or inclination to research it, but I'm pretty sure after the Vandy and UK debacles on the road, you went off the NCAA tourney wagon with 99% of the rest of our fanbase, myself included. No shame in it. No one could have said after those two games that we looked the part of a team that belonged in the NCAA tournament if they were being honest with themselves. Only the biggest of homers would have been calling this an NCAA tourney-worthy team after those games, and that would have been more wishful thinking than accurate prognostication.

If you didn't say it, I apologize for looping you in with those of us who did. Like I said, I'm not going to bother looking it up because it is really of no consequence to me. Barring a monumental collapse, this is at worst, an NIT team projecting the remaining six games.
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i may have i tend to say things after frustrating losses i shouldnt, but i may have very well. i have thought sine about the uf win to start sec that we had a chance. the uga game, vandy, and uk games really hurt our chances, but there was still always that chance because of how our rpi was.

i said about a weeks ago or so when asked what we need, i said we'd reallly have to beat florida on the road, because we need that huge rpi booster and thats the only one left.

as you said though, just like most on here do, reaction after the vandy and uk debacle i may have said some things, im guilty of doing that. but yea no need to look it up, i may have, but either way as you said who cares at this point. lets hope that we close out strong and can make a trip to the dance. (nit would be acceptable too though)
 
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