The Foreign Trade Thread

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VolStrom said:
Seriously? So the US lost 20,000 solar jobs because of tariffs? I'll be the first to stand up and call BS.
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Why? This is what economists said would happen and then it happened. I even told you it would happen. I made this point specifically about solar several times. A 30% tariff is ridiculous. What reason do you have to believe that this Forbes article is wrong?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why? This is what economists said would happen and then it happened. I even told you it would happen. I made this point specifically about solar several times. A 30% tariff is ridiculous. What reason do you have to believe that this Forbes article is wrong?
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I’ll go with you said it would happen..👍
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Trump could cure ****ing cancer and they would still be screaming to the high heavens
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Yeah, since destroying jobs and curing cancer are equally virtuous.

You can't even talk about what's actually being said here, you're making erroneous comments like "orange man bad" and your Christ figure curing cancer.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, since destroying jobs and curing cancer are equally virtuous.

You can't even talk about what's actually being said here, you're making erroneous comments like "orange man bad" and your Christ figure curing cancer.
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No I’m just proving what a Trump hater you are who thinks he’s Paul Krugman 👍
 
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FLVOL69 said:
To right the trade imbalance genius, try and keep up
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Makes no sense, so your condescending comment makes you look even dumber. How does a tariff correct an imbalance if nobody wanted the tariffed item in the first place?

If you don't even understand simple concepts like these, you shouldn't be commenting in this thread.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So then why do we need tariffs?

You're on a roll here, buddy.
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To piss you off.

Solar energy could die a death to the heat of a million suns, and I’d be just fine with it. I don’t care if the panels are made here, in China, or on the face of the sun, it is a gimmick, and the gambit’s up.
 
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Girth Brooks said:
To piss you off.

Solar energy could die a death to the heat of a million suns, and I’d be just fine with it. I don’t care if the panels are made here, in China, or on the face of the sun, it is a gimmick, and the gambit’s up.
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So **** those unemployed Americans because you don't like their industry?

That's awful neighborly of you, brother.

If solar jobs went up under Trump, you'd be wiping your chin over it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Makes no sense, so your condescending comment makes you look even dumber. How does a tariff correct an imbalance if nobody wanted the tariffed item in the first place?

If you don't even understand simple concepts like these, you shouldn't be commenting in this thread.
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Look Mr Goolsby, if we purchase less of their **** due to tariffs they’ll be forced to lower their tariffs on our products if they want us to continue buying there stuff. All I’m looking for is fair trade, we buy a shitload more of their goods than they do ours.
 
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Girth Brooks said:
To piss you off.

Solar energy could die a death to the heat of a million suns, and I’d be just fine with it. I don’t care if the panels are made here, in China, or on the face of the sun, it is a gimmick, and the gambit’s up.
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Not to mention they’re bad for the environment when it comes disposal time
 
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I can’t link the article so here’s a screenshot that sums it up for all you so called economic geniuses5EACAA88-C465-4DA8-89FF-F75185C933A0.png3B242050-8F3C-4F17-AAC7-0DF4AAC1A87A.png
 
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Girth Brooks said:
Solar energy could die a death to the heat of a million suns, and I’d be just fine with it. I don’t care if the panels are made here, in China, or on the face of the sun, it is a gimmick, and the gambit’s up.
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Does solar electricity work different than the other kinds?
 
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n_huffhines said:
So then why do we need tariffs?

You're on a roll here, buddy.
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Here ya go Huff... this is why we need tariffs... please read. A key point...manufacturing and R&D hold a lot of sway to the US, NOT just being laborers used as installers of Chinese panels. Complain now about the tariffs and you send the message you don't understand economics... not a dig, but something that jumps out at me reading your posts on this issue.... hanging the blame on Trump solves nothing.

https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2017/08/31/the-case-for-u-s-solar-manufacturing/

From the standpoint of fair trade, it hasn’t been a pretty picture.

In two comprehensive investigations, the U.S. government found that the Chinese government had sponsored its solar-manufacturing industry’s export drive under that command government’s Five Year Plan. The Chinese government showered its industry with export-oriented subsidies, which the U.S. government two times determined to be illegal. These producers also were found to be selling into the U.S. market at prices below production costs – an illegal practice called dumping.
Resulting duties to curb the predatory effects of this import campaign helped the U.S. solar manufacturing industry for a time within the 2014-2015 period.

But then Big China Solar, armed with state-supplied subsidized financing, built up operations in Southeast Asia to evade the tariffs. Now the surge of U.S.-bound imports flows from Malaysia, the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam and other countries. Meantime, imports from China increased some 732 percent from 2012 to 2016. These developments, combined with China slowing its purchase of solar, once again crashed U.S. domestic prices in mid-2016, causing still more U.S. bankruptcies.
Sound unfair? That’s only the half of it.

Though the Chinese and other exporters enjoy access to every corner of the U.S. solar marketplace, including U.S. military bases as well as taxpayer-funded incentives, the Chinese market is closed to competition from imports. In the current trade case, even Chinese producers admit it.

So far, this asymmetrical trade aggression is winning the day.
While China and other nations are building up their technological production toward energy independence, the United States is on the brink of losing its own industry. The nation risks depending on foreign countries not only for fossil fuels but clean-energy technology as well.
Considering the growth of the U.S. solar market, the domestic manufacturing industry should be much bigger – and it still can be. w-how. But without relief from imports, the industry will disappear – and gone with it will be decades of manufacturing expertise, R&D drive and production know how.
 
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