The Future of LV Basketball

#101
#101
1CHATTVOL said:
Oh, wow. You're a "not nice" "bully" even...ouch.
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I know, right? Well... I did say "STHU" after reading the same sentiment over and over about what seemed like millions of times. LOL If they think STHU is mean they would have to go into therapy if I ever fully unleashed on them. LOL
 
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#102
#102
Bah Humbug said:
There's no success as long as CHW is near the program. Success will start as soon as she is fired.
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To me this upcoming season should really give some incite into Holly's coaching ability, though I think we already know. Barring a rash of injuries, this team should be at least a top ten team. I know that if we start losing to cupcakes, early on, there will be a lot of excuses, the team is too young, this is Green's first year, we don't have DD, etc., however, if we cannot beat less talented teams, we need to quit giving Holly a lot of excuses. If we barely beat cupcakes, or teams we are supposed to beat, Holly should not be given any excuses, except lack of coaching ability. We do not have DD to kick around any more and we need to quit blaming players for collapses, the buck stops with the head coach. If the head coach can't handle his/her players, then they need to be shown the door. Longevity in a program, shouldn't be a job guarantee.
 
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#104
#104
teacherdean said:
To me this upcoming season should really give some incite into Holly's coaching ability, though I think we already know. Barring a rash of injuries, this team should be at least a top ten team. I know that if we start losing to cupcakes, early on, there will be a lot of excuses, the team is too young, this is Green's first year, we don't have DD, etc., however, if we cannot beat less talented teams, we need to quit giving Holly a lot of excuses. If we barely beat cupcakes, or teams we are supposed to beat, Holly should not be given any excuses, except lack of coaching ability. We do not have DD to kick around any more and we need to quit blaming players for collapses, the buck stops with the head coach. If the head coach can't handle his/her players, then they need to be shown the door. Longevity in a program, shouldn't be a job guarantee.
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Agreed!
 
#105
#105
Summitt was a legend, but there is no question that she built the program when the collegiate game was still young and far less competitive than it is now. She also took advantage of the fact that most teams were poor offensively--including the Vols, often--but we were dominant on the boards and defensively, which of course was PS's stock-in-trade.

I believe it was in the early 00s when our offensive problems--poor passing, poor shooting--really began to emerge and started to become a problem for us. As noted, we went to a few Final Four's from 2000 to 2004/05--and I think in most of them we were the worst shooting team, by percentage, of the four. It was around this time that Geno's teams really showed that they were better than we were offensively--and that is why he was 4-0 against PS in title games. Here it is, 15 years later and NOTHING has changed. UConn has been the best offensive team in the game for years, and we remain a fairly mediocre scoring team. We have our good games--but not often enough. Last year we had 5 games in which we failed to score 60 points (inexcusable with our talent last year)--and 9 games when we failed to score 70. Warlick truly thinks that the answer to our scoring problems is the players getting in the gym more and shooting. That's not it. Our staff still seems ambivalent about the importance of three-point shooting. These days, if you aren't capable of making several treys a game, odd are you aren't going to win a national title. The three-point shot is not a discretionary factor in the game anymore--not a matter of seeing whether your team can hit threes or not. It HAS to be a point of emphasis, along with everything else.

As Amb points out, we went through a 10-year drought before Parker arrived and won two titles. Parker and those titles, IMO, really obscured the Vols budding problems with team offense. Everybody thought, oh, all is well. Nope. We've been pedestrian offensively in the vast majority of years since Parker left.

This year Green and the freshman guards will have to be surprisingly good or we will probably struggle again. We have one proven outside shooter in Nared, who seems to be poised to have an All America type season, depending on how much help she gets from the rest of the team. Russell should also be good. After that, it's all a big question mark--and we, again, have no depth.
 
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#106
#106
Don't forget to touch em all armchair....
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#107
#107
armchair said:
Summitt was a legend, but there is no question that she built the program when the collegiate game was still young and far less competitive than it is now. She also took advantage of the fact that most teams were poor offensively--including the Vols, often--but we were dominant on the boards and defensively, which of course was PS's stock-in-trade.

I believe it was in the early 00s when our offensive problems--poor passing, poor shooting--really began to emerge and started to become a problem for us. As noted, we went to a few Final Four's from 2000 to 2004/05--and I think in most of them we were the worst shooting team, by percentage, of the four. It was around this time that Geno's teams really showed that they were better than we were offensively--and that is why he was 4-0 against PS in title games. Here it is, 15 years later and NOTHING has changed. UConn has been the best offensive team in the game for years, and we remain a fairly mediocre scoring team. We have our good games--but not often enough. Last year we had 5 games in which we failed to score 60 points (inexcusable with our talent last year)--and 9 games when we failed to score 70. Warlick truly thinks that the answer to our scoring problems is the players getting in the gym more and shooting. That's not it. Our staff still seems ambivalent about the importance of three-point shooting. These days, if you aren't capable of making several treys a game, odd are you aren't going to win a national title. The three-point shot is not a discretionary factor in the game anymore--not a matter of seeing whether your team can hit threes or not. It HAS to be a point of emphasis, along with everything else.

As Amb points out, we went through a 10-year drought before Parker arrived and won two titles. Parker and those titles, IMO, really obscured the Vols budding problems with team offense. Everybody thought, oh, all is well. Nope. We've been pedestrian offensively in the vast majority of years since Parker left.

This year Green and the freshman guards will have to be surprisingly good or we will probably struggle again. We have one proven outside shooter in Nared, who seems to be poised to have an All America type season, depending on how much help she gets from the rest of the team. Russell should also be good. After that, it's all a big question mark--and we, again, have no depth.
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Well said, however, this coaching staff just does not get it, our offense is on life support. We are playing the same prehistoric offense we played 30 years ago, feed it inside, if it fails, shoot a panic three. Holly and the staff know defense but are offensively challenged. Middleton and Dunbar came to us as 3 point specialist, how has that worked out for us?

How good we are, will depend upon how well we can develop the number one recruiting class. It will also depend upon floor leadership and the dominance of Russell, Nard and Green. We can't leave out the coaching and the team's ability to create offense with better offensive play.
 
#108
#108
armchair said:
Summitt was a legend, but there is no question that she built the program when the collegiate game was still young and far less competitive than it is now. She also took advantage of the fact that most teams were poor offensively--including the Vols, often--but we were dominant on the boards and defensively, which of course was PS's stock-in-trade.

I believe it was in the early 00s when our offensive problems--poor passing, poor shooting--really began to emerge and started to become a problem for us. As noted, we went to a few Final Four's from 2000 to 2004/05--and I think in most of them we were the worst shooting team, by percentage, of the four. It was around this time that Geno's teams really showed that they were better than we were offensively--and that is why he was 4-0 against PS in title games. Here it is, 15 years later and NOTHING has changed. UConn has been the best offensive team in the game for years, and we remain a fairly mediocre scoring team. We have our good games--but not often enough. Last year we had 5 games in which we failed to score 60 points (inexcusable with our talent last year)--and 9 games when we failed to score 70. Warlick truly thinks that the answer to our scoring problems is the players getting in the gym more and shooting. That's not it. Our staff still seems ambivalent about the importance of three-point shooting. These days, if you aren't capable of making several treys a game, odd are you aren't going to win a national title. The three-point shot is not a discretionary factor in the game anymore--not a matter of seeing whether your team can hit threes or not. It HAS to be a point of emphasis, along with everything else.

As Amb points out, we went through a 10-year drought before Parker arrived and won two titles. Parker and those titles, IMO, really obscured the Vols budding problems with team offense. Everybody thought, oh, all is well. Nope. We've been pedestrian offensively in the vast majority of years since Parker left.

This year Green and the freshman guards will have to be surprisingly good or we will probably struggle again. We have one proven outside shooter in Nared, who seems to be poised to have an All America type season, depending on how much help she gets from the rest of the team. Russell should also be good. After that, it's all a big question mark--and we, again, have no depth.
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It doesn't have to be this way...
Stop coaching systems and start coaching skills
 
#109
#109
Coach Jumper said:
It doesn't have to be this way...
Stop coaching systems and start coaching skills
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Take it back to basics. Fundamentals. I cannot wait to see what they bring to the table this coming year. If this class stays together for 4 years and the next 2 classes are even half as good Tennessee could be back at the top of the SEC.

Things CAN change quickly under the right guidance. They quickly went from 30 win seasons to double-digit loss seasons and can reverse that if they understand the problem. Based on interviews @ practice last year they understood the problem they just couldn't seem to solve it. At times the coaches even expressed they had a blueprint to fix the issues yet that blueprint wasn't exacted with any consistency.

When top notch players are given an inconsistent message and are allowed to train inconsistenly they will continue to produce inconsistent results. This is why when talent doesn't work hard, hard work beats talent. I used to be very confused by some their losses. Sports psychology is very important to any good to great team and the hope for the team going forward seems as though they are working on that very hard.
 
#110
#110
One statement that I heard a number of times in the past several years was that the team had a game plan but it wasn't followed. Clearly some of the players had a different agenda. Hopefully that problem has now been resolved.
 
#113
#113
The 2017-2018 season will test the some of the riskiest assumptions being made for the Lady Vols:

1. The players that left were the source of the chemistry problems.

2. The coach brought in is going to have better success with the guards than Law did.

3. The newest iteration of the team is mentally prepared for whatever comes their way.

Only time will tell.
 
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